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DVDfever
05-05-2012
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“I think ALIEN is h-u-g-e-l-y overrated to the point of absolute stupidity, and is one of the dreariest and least suspenseful 'suspense' films I've ever seen (I could dribble at length about why I despair of this film's popularity, but you get my drift).”

I haven't seen BITH, but I do love Alien, and also Aliens in equal measure, but both are very different films, so I love them for different reasons - 1 for suspense and 2 for action. 3 is underrated and I do love it for being flawed, but 4 is just okay and not one I'd rush to see again.

BTW, Land of the Pharoahs on BBC2 now in OAR. Have BBC2 bought a new set of prints of old films like this?
Libretio
05-05-2012
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“I haven't seen BITH, but I do love Alien, and also Aliens in equal measure, but both are very different films, so I love them for different reasons - 1 for suspense and 2 for action. 3 is underrated and I do love it for being flawed, but 4 is just okay and not one I'd rush to see again.”

ALIENS was my first (and only) experience of seeing a film in 70mm, and the sound was ABSOLUTELY H-O-R-R-E-N-D-O-U-S!! Glorious stuff! I had to cover my ears at several points, and I'm surprised it didn't cause structural damage to the building!!!

As for ALIEN, in any gauge, it just didn't work for me. Many sources make the point that it amounts to little more than an unofficial remake of IT! THE TERROR FROM BEYOND SPACE, a conventional 'creature feature' which (for me) isn't very good, but MILES better than Scott's bloated little wannabe. Sorry to be so hard on your favourite, DVDfever (it probably makes me sound like a pompous twit), but I really DO despair of the high regard this rubbish has been held in over the years. But each to their own, and all that!!

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“BTW, Land of the Pharoahs on BBC2 now in OAR. Have BBC2 bought a new set of prints of old films like this?”

The dear old Beeb has screened LOTP at the original ratio a couple of times before now, and THE CARDINAL was screened OAR last time, too, which is why it didn't come as too much of a surprise to seem them presented the 'right' way today. Fab, innit?

By the way, if Film 4 screens THE GREAT DEBATERS at the original scope ratio today, make the most of it, since the DVD version is cropped to 16:9.
PowerJC
05-05-2012
The Game of Their Lives is showing on stv right now in 2.35:1.
mwardy
05-05-2012
And Papillon is correct on BBC 2.

Is this just a gathering of previously correctly shown OAR treats or a blast of enlightenment?

BTW @Libretio: I couldn't disagree more about your response to Alien. This was far more than a regular creature feature for me when I saw it at the cinema. About 12 times. In terms of the pacing and atmosphere, the viscerality (and judicious editing) of the effects, the subtlety of the plot (for instance in Ash the robot claiming compassion as his excuse for letting the alien on board to progress his mission, which I defy you to pick up on on first viewing), the set design (with dirt, and class divisions, in space) and so on. I doubt these were in The Terror From Beyond Space.

Phew! Had to get that off my chest!

But as you say, each to their own!
PhilH36
06-05-2012
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“(it probably makes me sound like a pompous twit), but I really DO despair of the high regard this rubbish has been held in over the years.”

I despair of those who dismiss a clasic movie like Alien as "rubbish".
Libretio
06-05-2012
Originally Posted by mwardy:
“And Papillon is correct on BBC 2. Is this just a gathering of previously correctly shown OAR treats or a blast of enlightenment?”

PAPILLON is definitely 'new' to OAR on terrestrial TV, but there's surely a trend emerging, don't you think?...

Originally Posted by mwardy:
“BTW @Libretio: I couldn't disagree more about your response to Alien. This was far more than a regular creature feature for me when I saw it at the cinema. About 12 times. In terms of the pacing and atmosphere, the viscerality (and judicious editing) of the effects, the subtlety of the plot (for instance in Ash the robot claiming compassion as his excuse for letting the alien on board to progress his mission, which I defy you to pick up on on first viewing), the set design (with dirt, and class divisions, in space) and so on. I doubt these were in The Terror From Beyond Space.”

People find much to enjoy in their own favourite films, and I don't begrudge anyone their enthusiasm. The fact that ALIEN didn't work for me is neither here nor there. Besides, if I gave a list of my own personal favourites, I'm sure you lot could pick holes, point and laugh, etc. And wouldn't it be crap if we all agreed on everything?

Originally Posted by PhilH36:
“I despair of those who dismiss a clasic movie like Alien as "rubbish".”

Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish! And what's more, it's poop, too. So there.

Seriously, though. One of my aforementioned favourite films is DEAD POETS SOCIETY, a film whose entire ethos is: "Do your own thing, be your own individual self, even if others think you're round the bend". I can't force myself to like something just because a majority of others think differently. I'm sure fans of ALIEN can put up with a tiny drop of criticism in an ocean otherwise full of praise and wonderment.

Now where did I put my VHS copy of SEX ORGY OF THE INTESTINE EATERS?...
DVDfever
06-05-2012
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“The dear old Beeb has screened LOTP at the original ratio a couple of times before now, and THE CARDINAL was screened OAR last time, too, which is why it didn't come as too much of a surprise to seem them presented the 'right' way today. Fab, innit?”

Ah, I see. Have they bought HD prints, do you think? (even if BBC HD was taken up with other things - very annoyed the snooker was taken off at 1pm, as the BBC1 coverage that followed recapped all the morning coverage, again, first!)

Quote:
“By the way, if Film 4 screens THE GREAT DEBATERS at the original scope ratio today, make the most of it, since the DVD version is cropped to 16:9.”

And did you spot it? I didn't see this one.

Originally Posted by Libretio:
“People find much to enjoy in their own favourite films, and I don't begrudge anyone their enthusiasm. The fact that ALIEN didn't work for me is neither here nor there. Besides, if I gave a list of my own personal favourites, I'm sure you lot could pick holes, point and laugh, etc. And wouldn't it be crap if we all agreed on everything?”

I hate the Godfather films if that evens it up. Sooooooo overlong and boring.
Libretio
06-05-2012
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Ah, I see. Have they bought HD prints, do you think?”

Not sure about that, but these are very likely sourced from HD masters. I'm not a 'techie' in that regard, so I hope someone with more tech-savvy can answer that one more fully.

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“And did you spot it? I didn't see this one.”

'Twas cropped, alas.

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“I hate the Godfather films if that evens it up. Sooooooo overlong and boring.”

I like the first one, which means I'm part of the consensus opinion. Didn't care too much for the second one, which means I'm out of step with consensus opinion (which is that part 2 is even better than the already magnificent part 1). And I enjoyed the third one, which makes me DEFINITELY out of step with consensus opinion!...
DVDfever
06-05-2012
And C5 is the winner of "Worst Film Print Ever": The 4:3-cropped crackly, jittery print of Return of the Seven, screening now.
jzee
07-05-2012
Restored HD print of Bridge on the River Kwai on C4 HD in OAR 2.35:1.
DVDfever
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Restored HD print of Bridge on the River Kwai on C4 HD in OAR 2.35:1.”

Looks a bit wider, at the original 2.55:1, as normally the top black bar touches the bottom of the '4hd' DOG.
jzee
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Looks a bit wider, at the original 2.55:1, as normally the top black bar touches the bottom of the '4hd' DOG.”

Yeah, you're probably right, print looks excellent, sound good also, although not 5.1.
Libretio
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Yeah, you're probably right, print looks excellent, sound good also, although not 5.1.”

Kwai was shot 2.55:1, but for reasons lost to the mists of time, the release prints were cropped (on the left side) to 2.35:1. The full ratio has, of course, been restored for home video and modern theatrical prints.

And get this: The film was originally released with a mono soundtrack! Not sure if they recorded in multi-channel audio, but the film itself was mono. So the stereo (or 5.1) versions are a home video revision of the original.
Libretio
07-05-2012
(Unless otherwise indicated, all films in the following list were projected at 2.35:1 prior to 1971, and at 2.39:1 thereafter)

Scope and 3-D films released on UK Blu-ray (7 - 13 May):

• DRAGONHEART (1996) [Panavision]
• FOUR (2011)
• THE HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY [Quella Villa Accanto al Cimitero] (1981) [Techniscope]
• MORE AMERICAN GRAFFITI (1979) [Panavision]
• PILLOW TALK (1959) [CinemaScope]
• SOUTHLAND TALES (2006)
• STRIPPERS VS WEREWOLVES (2011)
• TRANSIT (2009)
• WAR HORSE (2011)
• WAR OF THE ARROWS [Arrow: The Ultimate Weapon] [최종병기 활 (活)] (2011)


Scope and 3-D films released on US Blu-ray (8 - 14 May):

• BLAZING SADDLES (1974) [Panavision]
• HISTORY OF THE WORLD PART 1 (1981) [Panavision]
• MOTHER'S DAY (2010) [Techniscope]
• THE SHOCK LABYRINTH [戦慄迷宮3D] (2009) [3-D] [1.85:1]
• TORA! TORA! TORA! (1970) [Panavision]
• UNDERWORLD (2003)
• UNDERWORLD: AWAKENING (2012) [3-D]
• UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION (2005)
• UNDERWORLD: RISE OF THE LYCANS (2009)
• THE VOW (2011)
PhilH36
07-05-2012
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“People find much to enjoy in their own favourite films, and I don't begrudge anyone their enthusiasm. The fact that ALIEN didn't work for me is neither here nor there. Besides, if I gave a list of my own personal favourites, I'm sure you lot could pick holes, point and laugh, etc. And wouldn't it be crap if we all agreed on everything?”

Yes it sure would,if we were all the same the world would be very boring. Think we can agree to disagree on Alien.
eyeblink
08-05-2012
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“Kwai was shot 2.55:1, but for reasons lost to the mists of time, the release prints were cropped (on the left side) to 2.35:1. .”

I think this has something to do with the changeover from magnetic to optical soundtracks. Optical tracks are printed on it - hence the narrowing of the standard aspect ratio.

LOLA MONTES is a well-known example of a 2.55:1 film that was for years only available cropped in this way (and not at full length either). A few years ago it was restored to full length and original aspect ratio.
Libretio
08-05-2012
Originally Posted by eyeblink:
“I think this has something to do with the changeover from magnetic to optical soundtracks. Optical tracks are printed on it - hence the narrowing of the standard aspect ratio.”

Since the film was produced and released around the time of the changeover, you may be onto something here. But the way I understand it (and apologies for boring you to death if you already know this!), optical-only tracks produced a 2.35:1 ratio, even in the early days of CinemaScope. Most of those early CS films sported a mag stereo track, which yielded a 2.55:1 ratio, but separate optical prints were prepared for cinemas unable to playback the stereo sound, and those prints were 2.35:1 (the 2.55:1 version was the primary ratio). At the same time, a few films were recorded and released in mono-only, and sported optical tracks, again with a 2.35 ratio, until the widespread introduction of magoptical tracks in 1956, which yielded a 2.35 ratio on all CS films.

With Kwai, the film was released in mono sound, which is highly unusual, given Lean's utilisation of technology to tell his story (a bit like Cameron et al today). I can't imagine why he would forego mag stereo for the primary release prints, but he did. Whether the music and ambient sound effects were recorded multi-channel and mixed-down to mono (or whatever these tech chappies do!) is unknown - to me, at least - but it should have yielded a 2.35 ratio. But no, I'm reliably informed the movie was shot 2.55 and that the release prints simply clipped away the left side of the frame to produce a 2.35 projected image. The same thing probably happened to LOLA MONTES, as you say.
Libretio
11-05-2012
(Unless otherwise indicated, all films in the following list were projected at 2.35:1 prior to 1971, and at 2.39:1 thereafter)


Scope and 3-D movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (12 - 18 May):


Saturday (12 May)

• THE BEACH (E4)
• BYE BYE BIRDIE (BBC 2) [Panavision]
• CON AIR (BBC 3) [Panavision]
• INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS (Film 4) [Panavision]
• JAWS (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (5 USA) [Super Panavision 70] [2.21:1]
• THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING (C4)
• MAJOR DUNDEE (C5) [Panavision]
• OCEAN'S TWELVE (ITV 1)
• PICNIC (BBC 2) [CinemaScope] [2.55:1]
• THE PROPOSAL (BBC 1) [Hawk Scope]
• RETURN OF THE SEVEN (C5) [Panavision]
• REVOLVER (5*)
• THE SCORPION KING (ITV 2)
• SCREAM 2 (Really) [Panavision]
• THINGS TO DO BEFORE YOU'RE 30 (BBC 1)
• TRANSPORTER 3 [Le Transporteur 3] (C4)


Sunday (13 May)

• 101 DALMATIANS (BBC 3) [Panavision]
• THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT (ITV 3) [Panavision]
• THE BONE COLLECTOR (C5)
• THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW (E4)
• FLIPPER (ITV 2)
• THE HINDENBURG (Film 4) [Panavision]
• THE KINGDOM (ITV 4)
• THE LAST MIMZY (Film 4)
• NEW MOON (C4)
• NORTH WEST FRONTIER (BBC 2) [CinemaScope]
• PERFECT CREATURE (BBC 1)
• RUNAWAY BRIDE (C4)
• THE SPIDERWICK CHRONICLES (Film 4)
• TOMORROW NEVER DIES (ITV 2) [Panavision]


Monday (14 May)

• ASYLUM (Film 4) [Panavision]
• AVALANCHE EXPRESS (Film 4) [Panavision]
• CUTTHROAT ISLAND (Film 4) [Panavision / Technovision]
• ESCAPE TO ATHENA (C4) [Panavision]
• THE GAME (ITV 4)
• THE INTERPRETER (ITV 1) [J-D-C Scope]
• THE KINGDOM (ITV 4)
• ROAD, MOVIE [रोड] (C4)
• RUSH HOUR 2 (5*) [Panavision]
• A TIME TO KILL (Film 4) [Panavision]
• TOMORROW NEVER DIES (ITV 2) [Panavision]


Tuesday (15 May)

• ENDURING LOVE (Film 4)
• FOUR BROTHERS (Film 4)
• LOVE IS A MANY-SPLENDORED THING (Film 4) [CinemaScope] [2.55:1]
• MAGNUM FORCE (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• MONSTER-IN-LAW (Film 4)
• THE PROFESSIONALS (C4) [Panavision]
• UP PERISCOPE (Film 4) [WarnerScope]


Wednesday (16 May)

• 23 PACES TO BAKER STREET (Film 4) [CinemaScope]
• CON AIR (BBC 3) [Panavision]
• DEATH DRUMS ALONG THE RIVER (More 4) [Techniscope]
• DEEP BLUE SEA (ITV 2)
• THE LAND GIRLS (Film 4) [Panavision]
• MOONFLEET (Film 4) [CinemaScope] [2.55:1]
• TAKEN (Film 4)


Thursday (17 May)

• ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• I AM LEGEND (ITV 2) [Panavision]
• LAW ABIDING CITIZEN (Film 4)


Friday (18 May)

• THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT (ITV 3) [Panavision]
• THE BEACH (E4)
• INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS (Film 4) [Panavision]
• LAST HOLIDAY (Film 4)
• RAW DEAL (ITV 1) [J-D-C Scope]
• STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN [Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan] (Film 4) [Panavision]
• TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE (C4)
• UNLEASHED [Danny the Dog] (ITV 1)
theonlyweeman
12-05-2012
Scream 2 in 16:9 on Really and Con Air in OAR on BBC Three...
jzee
12-05-2012
Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“Scream 2 in 16:9 on Really and Con Air in OAR on BBC Three...”

It's an OAR full house, The Proposal on BBC One, Ocean's Twelve on ITV1, and Transporter 3 on Channel 4 all in 2.35:1 (although C4 not in HD)....
Libretio
13-05-2012
Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“Scream 2 in 16:9 on Really and Con Air in OAR on BBC Three...”

I meant to check this one out, just to be sure which way Really would be showing it, but the whole thing completely slipped my mind.

So, cropped to 16:9, then? Damn shame, that.
DVDfever
13-05-2012
Bye Bye Birdie was in 2.35:1 yesterday on BBC2, but before it, Picnic was cropped to 16:9 (from 2.55:1) and looked dreadful!
Libretio
14-05-2012
(Unless otherwise indicated, all films in the following list were projected at 2.35:1 prior to 1971, and at 2.39:1 thereafter)

Scope and 3-D films released on UK Blu-ray (14 - 20 May):

• DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE (1995) [Panavision]
• THE LEGENDARY AMAZONS [楊門女將] (2011)
• SHAME (2011) [Techniscope]
• SHERLOCK HOLMES: A GAME OF SHADOWS (2011)
• UNDERWORLD (2003)
• UNDERWORLD: AWAKENING (2012) [3-D]
• UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION (2005)
• UNDERWORLD: RISE OF THE LYCANS (2009)


Scope and 3-D films released on US Blu-ray (15 - 21 May):

• 4: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER (2007)
• ALBERT NOBBS (2011)
• BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (1969) [Panavision]
• THE COMANCHEROS (1961) [CinemaScope]
• FANTASTIC FOUR (2005)
• THE GRAND DUEL [Il Grande Duello] (1972) [Techniscope]
• THE GREY (2011)
• HOLY MAN (1998) [Panavision]
• THE JEWEL OF THE NILE (1985) [J-D-C Scope]
• KEOMA [Keoma il Vendicatore] (1976) [Techniscope]
• KILL BILL VOL. 1 (2003)
• KILL BILL VOL. 2 (2004)
• THE LONGEST DAY (1962) [CinemaScope]
• THE ODESSA FILE (1974) [Panavision]
• ONE FOR THE MONEY (2011)
• PATTON (1969) [Dimension 150] (2.21:1]
• RAMPART (2011)
• ROMANCING THE STONE (1984) [Panavision]
• THE SAND PEBBLES (1966) [Panavision]
• TERMINAL VELOCITY (1994) [Panavision]
• TORA! TORA! TORA! (1970) [Panavision]
• THE TRANSPORTER [Le Transporteur] (2002)
• TRANSPORTER 2 [Le Transporteur 2] (2005)
• WHITE SQUALL (1995) [Panavision]
• THE WOMAN KNIGHT OF MIRROR LAKE [競雄女俠秋瑾] (2011)
DVDfever
14-05-2012
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“(Unless otherwise indicated, all films in the following list were projected at 2.35:1 prior to 1971, and at 2.39:1 thereafter)

Scope and 3-D films released on UK Blu-ray (14 - 20 May):

• DIE HARD WITH A VENGEANCE (1995) [Panavision]
• UNDERWORLD (2003)
• UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION (2005)
• UNDERWORLD: RISE OF THE LYCANS (2009)”

All out before, surely? Or at least in boxset form.
Libretio
15-05-2012
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“All out before, surely? Or at least in boxset form.”

They probably have. But I list what Amazon says is being released in any given week, regardless of whether they've been out before. In that sense, the weekly list isn't solely about Blu-ray 'premieres'. Apologies if I didn't make that clear in the beginning.

By the way, the Indian film ROAD, MOVIE (shot in anamorphic Technovision, by the way) premiered on C4 last night at a cropped 16:9 ratio, and the results were hideous, to say the least. Indian filmmakers tend not to take TV into consideration at all when composing their images, and this one suffered because the DP was clearly using the e-n-t-i-r-e w-i-d-t-h of the scope frame. I can only assume this was the only version provided to C4 for transmission.
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