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Old 16-10-2010, 22:36
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Correct version of a different kind today as BBC2 aired On the Beat in its correct 1.66:1 ratio with side borders in evidence on Freeview and Virgin .
Can't say I've seen 1.66:1 correct on many channels before.

Even ITV HD didn't show From Russia With Love in that ratio today as it is on the Bluray but they filled the screen.

Unless you have an option to switch off overscan 1.66:1 broadcasts will usually fill your 16:9 screen anyway but I switched overscan on today and On the Beat still had side borders so it may even be 1.55:1
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Old 16-10-2010, 22:42
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Correct version of a different kind today as BBC2 aired On the Beat in its correct 1.66:1 ratio with side borders in evidence on Freeview and Virgin .
Can't say I've seen 1.66:1 correct on many channels before.

Even ITV HD didn't show From Russia With Love in that ratio today as it is on the Bluray but they filled the screen.

Unless you have an option to switch off overscan 1.66:1 broadcasts will usually fill your 16:9 screen anyway but I switched overscan on today and On the Beat still had side borders so it may even be 1.55:1
Yes I noticed 'On The Beat' had side bars too.

It looked much better than cropped to 4:3 or even 16:9.
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Old 16-10-2010, 22:46
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Yes I noticed 'On The Beat' had side bars too.

It looked much better than cropped to 4:3 or even 16:9.
I watched it on dvd a while ago and unfortunately the dvd is not anamorphic so I had to zoom and watch it in 16:9 which was preferable to borders on all 4 sides.

None of the (Carlton) Norman dvd's are anamorphic so it's time for Carlton /ITV to remaster them although I would bet my last pound on any Blurays being in 16:9 rather than the correct ratios
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Old 17-10-2010, 04:04
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It would be nice if one day the TV channels could share with everyone what format/ratio they plan on showing these films in. I've recently launched a website that allows people to see what films are on TV, and one of the things I wanted to do was provide this exact information because I knew it would be useful.

But after trying for months to get the channels to give me any sort of useful information I gave up. Some channels couldn't even provide me details on whether or not a film would be in 16:9 or 4:3! Sad days, but hey, at least I tried
TV listings only state "widescreen" and they have to pay for the info, so no-one's personal website is going to get any additional info from the broadcasters, sadly, especially when the broadcasters are one of the groups of people who don't really care about their output.
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Old 17-10-2010, 11:15
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TV listings only state "widescreen" and they have to pay for the info, so no-one's personal website is going to get any additional info from the broadcasters, sadly, especially when the broadcasters are one of the groups of people who don't really care about their output.
I understand what you say, but I'd like to think what I have is a bit more than a 'personal website' (I wasn't going to spam it around, but If you wanna see, type filmflow in the address bar and add .tv to the end :P). I've been trying for months speaking directly to the people who provide the listings to try and get something, but it always comes to a dead end. But of yes of course, if I was the Radio Times I'm sure I probably wouldn't have a problem.

If my website ever becomes popular I'll try again, maybe then I'll have some sort of leverage. Until then, I'll just have to put up with the crap they give me
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Old 17-10-2010, 14:29
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I understand what you say, but I'd like to think what I have is a bit more than a 'personal website' (I wasn't going to spam it around, but If you wanna see, type filmflow in the address bar and add .tv to the end :P).
Yeah, you won't see me bandying my website name about

I've been trying for months speaking directly to the people who provide the listings to try and get something, but it always comes to a dead end. But of yes of course, if I was the Radio Times I'm sure I probably wouldn't have a problem.
Well, the problem is they do, otherwise they would publish it. Try asking any TV station when something's coming up in the future and they just say, "We only know the schedules for the next two weeks ahead". Well, yes, I can get that from Digiguide.

The RT won't care. They're more into filling their pages with junk ahead of the listings themselves, and they recently royally buggered their listings pages as it was.

If my website ever becomes popular I'll try again, maybe then I'll have some sort of leverage. Until then, I'll just have to put up with the crap they give me
Just pay 'em a big wad of money. That's the only language they speak these days.
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Old 17-10-2010, 15:00
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There's an old Steve McQueen film on ITV4 at the moment called Nevada Smith; it's being broadcast in what looks lik 2.35:1 to me.
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Old 17-10-2010, 15:21
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There's an old Steve McQueen film on ITV4 at the moment called Nevada Smith; it's being broadcast in what looks lik 2.35:1 to me.
Great, good film too. The ITV4 logo also sits nicely above the 2.35:1 picture unlike the More 4 logo which cack handedly sits half way on and off it.
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Old 17-10-2010, 15:23
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Just pay 'em a big wad of money. That's the only language they speak these days.
I'll get right on it, as soon as I become a millionaire
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Old 17-10-2010, 16:10
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Am I the only person who prefers that films are shown in 16:9, rather than with black borders on the top and bottom?
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Old 17-10-2010, 16:24
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Am I the only person who prefers that films are shown in 16:9, rather than with black borders on the top and bottom?
Everyone has their preferences, but the fact of the matter is, if the broadcaster has zoomed the picture in so there are no black bars where there usually would be, they have cut part of the picture off.

Who knows what you could be missing out on
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Old 17-10-2010, 18:04
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Who knows what you could be missing out on
Clearly any love of film whatsoever.
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Old 18-10-2010, 13:32
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great to see channel five showing Kelly's Heroes in full 2.35 widescreen on saturday afternoon. I was just flicking channels about half an hour in and thought it was some kind of error

50 first dates was the same last night. all very encouraging. They've got Where Eagles Dare on next Saturday which could really use the 2.35 format. Plenty of widescreen sources for that so it'll be interesting to see what they do. "Broadsword calling Danny Boy" !!!!
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Old 18-10-2010, 14:13
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I must say, well done to Channel 5 who seem to have really made an effort with 2.35:1 broadcasting. Whilst their movie choice and content editing practises may not be great, they are at least showing films in their OAR when available, even on films they have shown before but cropped. I'd say they're probably second in terms of proper OAR broadcasting just behind the current leader, Channel 4. The BBC would be third, and ITV is dead last. Their recent shoddy broadcasts have pushed them even lower in my estimations too so they have a lot of ground to make up!
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Old 18-10-2010, 16:00
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i wonder if the next big thing in the tv industry will be tvs which can adjust their size to reflect the ratio of programme they are showing
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Old 23-10-2010, 16:23
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i wonder if the next big thing in the tv industry will be tvs which can adjust their size to reflect the ratio of programme they are showing
When we all have home cinemas with the mechanics of the real ones, perhaps

Another film for the list - Nevada Smith on ITV4 at the moment, with Steve McQueen, showing in 2.35:1.
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Old 23-10-2010, 17:11
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Why complain about The Black Bars. You dont notice them after a while. Youre concentrating on the middle of the screen so dont notice them
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Old 23-10-2010, 17:50
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Am I right in thinking all classics are 4:3 unless remastered?
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Old 23-10-2010, 18:32
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If you're annoyed with bars, then most TVs have zoom settings that allow you to zoom in on the picture. You don't really miss much of the picture as most of time people are filmed in the centre of the screen not the very far left or right.
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Old 23-10-2010, 18:36
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If you're annoyed with bars, then most TVs have zoom settings that allow you to zoom in on the picture. You don't really miss much of the picture as most of time people are filmed in the centre of the screen not the very far left or right.
But you might miss Kane playing with Rosebud in the background!
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Old 23-10-2010, 20:46
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Am I right in thinking all classics are 4:3 unless remastered?

No.
Films before 1953 are likely to be 4:3 or very close to that .
In 1953 Cinemascope appeared at 2.35:1 offering super wide scope films as the cinema answer to the threat of tv.

From 1953 onwards films were made in all sorts of ratios and lots of Cinemascope copies started appearing under different names .

Often films could be shot in 4:3 but masked off to a variety of ratios in cinemas making the exact and intended ratio difficult to confirm.

Watch any Cinemascope films in 4:3 and you lose 50% of the image.

Nowadays another problem has surfaced with the cropping of 4:3 ratios to make them appear to be widescreen .

It's a minefield but there is no generalising with ratios at all
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Old 23-10-2010, 20:49
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Often films could be shot in 4:3 but masked off to a variety of ratios in cinemas making the exact and intended ratio difficult to confirm.
And when showed full frame on TV you could often see the boom microphone above the actors' heads.

edit:- or in the case of A Fish Called Wanda, ruin a nude scene!!

hthttp://www.widescreen.org/widescreen_matte.shtmltp://
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Old 24-10-2010, 01:24
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If you're annoyed with bars, then most TVs have zoom settings that allow you to zoom in on the picture. You don't really miss much of the picture as most of time people are filmed in the centre of the screen not the very far left or right.
That's like saying you could crop every part of the Mona Lisa except for her smile, because that's all people look at(!)

However, the reason her smile is enigmatic is because of everything that surrounds her.

I saw No Country for Old Men earlier, and while I thought the film sucked, it was very well filmed, and even if people were in the middle of the picture, you couldn't crop it without destroying the visuals.
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Old 24-10-2010, 01:25
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And when showed full frame on TV you could often see the boom microphone above the actors' heads.

edit:- or in the case of A Fish Called Wanda, ruin a nude scene!!

hthttp://www.widescreen.org/widescreen_matte.shtmltp://
Corrected link:
http://www.widescreen.org/widescreen_matte.shtml
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Old 24-10-2010, 08:52
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I remember in the early days of DVD and when widescreen TVs were starting to gain in popularity, SHE released a number of 2.35:1 films cropped to 16:9.
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