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Channels Showing Full Widescreen Films
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iknowitall1
16-10-2010
Correct version of a different kind today as BBC2 aired On the Beat in its correct 1.66:1 ratio with side borders in evidence on Freeview and Virgin .
Can't say I've seen 1.66:1 correct on many channels before.

Even ITV HD didn't show From Russia With Love in that ratio today as it is on the Bluray but they filled the screen.

Unless you have an option to switch off overscan 1.66:1 broadcasts will usually fill your 16:9 screen anyway but I switched overscan on today and On the Beat still had side borders so it may even be 1.55:1
koantemplation
16-10-2010
Originally Posted by iknowitall1:
“Correct version of a different kind today as BBC2 aired On the Beat in its correct 1.66:1 ratio with side borders in evidence on Freeview and Virgin .
Can't say I've seen 1.66:1 correct on many channels before.

Even ITV HD didn't show From Russia With Love in that ratio today as it is on the Bluray but they filled the screen.

Unless you have an option to switch off overscan 1.66:1 broadcasts will usually fill your 16:9 screen anyway but I switched overscan on today and On the Beat still had side borders so it may even be 1.55:1”

Yes I noticed 'On The Beat' had side bars too.

It looked much better than cropped to 4:3 or even 16:9.
iknowitall1
16-10-2010
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Yes I noticed 'On The Beat' had side bars too.

It looked much better than cropped to 4:3 or even 16:9.”

I watched it on dvd a while ago and unfortunately the dvd is not anamorphic so I had to zoom and watch it in 16:9 which was preferable to borders on all 4 sides.

None of the (Carlton) Norman dvd's are anamorphic so it's time for Carlton /ITV to remaster them although I would bet my last pound on any Blurays being in 16:9 rather than the correct ratios
DVDfever
17-10-2010
Originally Posted by snitchy:
“It would be nice if one day the TV channels could share with everyone what format/ratio they plan on showing these films in. I've recently launched a website that allows people to see what films are on TV, and one of the things I wanted to do was provide this exact information because I knew it would be useful.

But after trying for months to get the channels to give me any sort of useful information I gave up. Some channels couldn't even provide me details on whether or not a film would be in 16:9 or 4:3! Sad days, but hey, at least I tried ”

TV listings only state "widescreen" and they have to pay for the info, so no-one's personal website is going to get any additional info from the broadcasters, sadly, especially when the broadcasters are one of the groups of people who don't really care about their output.
snitchy
17-10-2010
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“TV listings only state "widescreen" and they have to pay for the info, so no-one's personal website is going to get any additional info from the broadcasters, sadly, especially when the broadcasters are one of the groups of people who don't really care about their output.”

I understand what you say, but I'd like to think what I have is a bit more than a 'personal website' (I wasn't going to spam it around, but If you wanna see, type filmflow in the address bar and add .tv to the end :P). I've been trying for months speaking directly to the people who provide the listings to try and get something, but it always comes to a dead end. But of yes of course, if I was the Radio Times I'm sure I probably wouldn't have a problem.

If my website ever becomes popular I'll try again, maybe then I'll have some sort of leverage. Until then, I'll just have to put up with the crap they give me
DVDfever
17-10-2010
Originally Posted by snitchy:
“I understand what you say, but I'd like to think what I have is a bit more than a 'personal website' (I wasn't going to spam it around, but If you wanna see, type filmflow in the address bar and add .tv to the end :P).”

Yeah, you won't see me bandying my website name about

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“I've been trying for months speaking directly to the people who provide the listings to try and get something, but it always comes to a dead end. But of yes of course, if I was the Radio Times I'm sure I probably wouldn't have a problem.”

Well, the problem is they do, otherwise they would publish it. Try asking any TV station when something's coming up in the future and they just say, "We only know the schedules for the next two weeks ahead". Well, yes, I can get that from Digiguide.

The RT won't care. They're more into filling their pages with junk ahead of the listings themselves, and they recently royally buggered their listings pages as it was.

Quote:
“If my website ever becomes popular I'll try again, maybe then I'll have some sort of leverage. Until then, I'll just have to put up with the crap they give me ”

Just pay 'em a big wad of money. That's the only language they speak these days.
Kevin1960
17-10-2010
There's an old Steve McQueen film on ITV4 at the moment called Nevada Smith; it's being broadcast in what looks lik 2.35:1 to me.
jzee
17-10-2010
Originally Posted by Kevin1960:
“There's an old Steve McQueen film on ITV4 at the moment called Nevada Smith; it's being broadcast in what looks lik 2.35:1 to me.”

Great, good film too. The ITV4 logo also sits nicely above the 2.35:1 picture unlike the More 4 logo which cack handedly sits half way on and off it.
snitchy
17-10-2010
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Just pay 'em a big wad of money. That's the only language they speak these days.”

I'll get right on it, as soon as I become a millionaire
Alfie2008
17-10-2010
Am I the only person who prefers that films are shown in 16:9, rather than with black borders on the top and bottom?
snitchy
17-10-2010
Originally Posted by Alfie2008:
“Am I the only person who prefers that films are shown in 16:9, rather than with black borders on the top and bottom?”

Everyone has their preferences, but the fact of the matter is, if the broadcaster has zoomed the picture in so there are no black bars where there usually would be, they have cut part of the picture off.

Who knows what you could be missing out on
DVDfever
17-10-2010
Originally Posted by snitchy:
“Who knows what you could be missing out on ”

Clearly any love of film whatsoever.
revans9
18-10-2010
great to see channel five showing Kelly's Heroes in full 2.35 widescreen on saturday afternoon. I was just flicking channels about half an hour in and thought it was some kind of error

50 first dates was the same last night. all very encouraging. They've got Where Eagles Dare on next Saturday which could really use the 2.35 format. Plenty of widescreen sources for that so it'll be interesting to see what they do. "Broadsword calling Danny Boy" !!!!
pad_ehh
18-10-2010
I must say, well done to Channel 5 who seem to have really made an effort with 2.35:1 broadcasting. Whilst their movie choice and content editing practises may not be great, they are at least showing films in their OAR when available, even on films they have shown before but cropped. I'd say they're probably second in terms of proper OAR broadcasting just behind the current leader, Channel 4. The BBC would be third, and ITV is dead last. Their recent shoddy broadcasts have pushed them even lower in my estimations too so they have a lot of ground to make up!
BenFranklin
18-10-2010
i wonder if the next big thing in the tv industry will be tvs which can adjust their size to reflect the ratio of programme they are showing
DVDfever
23-10-2010
Originally Posted by BenFranklin:
“i wonder if the next big thing in the tv industry will be tvs which can adjust their size to reflect the ratio of programme they are showing”

When we all have home cinemas with the mechanics of the real ones, perhaps

Another film for the list - Nevada Smith on ITV4 at the moment, with Steve McQueen, showing in 2.35:1.
Joe-Blade
23-10-2010
Why complain about The Black Bars. You dont notice them after a while. Youre concentrating on the middle of the screen so dont notice them
larryschmohawk
23-10-2010
Am I right in thinking all classics are 4:3 unless remastered?
VirginMediaPhil
23-10-2010
If you're annoyed with bars, then most TVs have zoom settings that allow you to zoom in on the picture. You don't really miss much of the picture as most of time people are filmed in the centre of the screen not the very far left or right.
larryschmohawk
23-10-2010
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil:
“If you're annoyed with bars, then most TVs have zoom settings that allow you to zoom in on the picture. You don't really miss much of the picture as most of time people are filmed in the centre of the screen not the very far left or right.”

But you might miss Kane playing with Rosebud in the background!
iknowitall1
23-10-2010
Originally Posted by larryschmohawk:
“Am I right in thinking all classics are 4:3 unless remastered?”


No.
Films before 1953 are likely to be 4:3 or very close to that .
In 1953 Cinemascope appeared at 2.35:1 offering super wide scope films as the cinema answer to the threat of tv.

From 1953 onwards films were made in all sorts of ratios and lots of Cinemascope copies started appearing under different names .

Often films could be shot in 4:3 but masked off to a variety of ratios in cinemas making the exact and intended ratio difficult to confirm.

Watch any Cinemascope films in 4:3 and you lose 50% of the image.

Nowadays another problem has surfaced with the cropping of 4:3 ratios to make them appear to be widescreen .

It's a minefield but there is no generalising with ratios at all
derek500
23-10-2010
Originally Posted by iknowitall1:
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Often films could be shot in 4:3 but masked off to a variety of ratios in cinemas making the exact and intended ratio difficult to confirm.”

And when showed full frame on TV you could often see the boom microphone above the actors' heads.

edit:- or in the case of A Fish Called Wanda, ruin a nude scene!!

hthttp://www.widescreen.org/widescreen_matte.shtmltp://
DVDfever
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil:
“If you're annoyed with bars, then most TVs have zoom settings that allow you to zoom in on the picture. You don't really miss much of the picture as most of time people are filmed in the centre of the screen not the very far left or right.”

That's like saying you could crop every part of the Mona Lisa except for her smile, because that's all people look at(!)

However, the reason her smile is enigmatic is because of everything that surrounds her.

I saw No Country for Old Men earlier, and while I thought the film sucked, it was very well filmed, and even if people were in the middle of the picture, you couldn't crop it without destroying the visuals.
DVDfever
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by derek500:
“And when showed full frame on TV you could often see the boom microphone above the actors' heads.

edit:- or in the case of A Fish Called Wanda, ruin a nude scene!!

hthttp://www.widescreen.org/widescreen_matte.shtmltp://”

Corrected link:
http://www.widescreen.org/widescreen_matte.shtml
davidweller
24-10-2010
I remember in the early days of DVD and when widescreen TVs were starting to gain in popularity, SHE released a number of 2.35:1 films cropped to 16:9.
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