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Old 25-12-2012, 19:45
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The BBC are mostly okay at that these days, when it comes to a premiere, it's just older films that tend to suffer. (unless you were referring to an animated film itself being in scope format)

At some point I want to see Life of Pi, but I mainly have a choice of the Odeon in Trafford Centre or Manchester Printworks. The screen ratios in both cinemas are 2.35:1 and 1.85:1, respectively, so for a film that's mostly the latter, it'll be better to see Life of Pi at the Printworks, since if I see it at the Trafford Centre, there'll be wasted space on the sides, and then it'll look silly for the enclosed 2.35:1 clips where, as has been shown on TV, there are flying fish which zoom over the black bars, rather like some of the special effects in Mr Stink on Sunday.

However, when this scene just jumped from 1.85:1 to 2.35:1 *just* to apply this effect, it did seem rather pointless.
I wonder if Pi will keep that scene in 2.35:1 when it released on home entertainment or will be cropped, I know films like Enchanted and Brother Bear change aspect ratios.

I am referring to animated films done in scope, I notice Shrek Forever After was scope but not Tangled so it must be a choice for the film makers. I know Blue Sky only started to animate in 2.35:1 from Rio onwards and Dreamworks did with Monsters Vs Aliens onwards, not sure about animated films like Universal or Sony.

Speaking of Disney, does anyone what frame rate Mary Poppins was shot in? that film will look stunning in HD when the Blu-Ray comes out in 2014.
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Old 25-12-2012, 23:12
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Probably missing the point here as I don't really understand the post immediately above, but I've seen Life of Pi and it was 1.85:1 aspect; none of it was in 2.35:1.

Fantastic film by the way; well worth seeing.
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Old 25-12-2012, 23:23
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Probably missing the point here as I don't really understand the post immediately above, but I've seen Life of Pi and it was 1.85:1 aspect; none of it was in 2.35:1.

Fantastic film by the way; well worth seeing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNYv4tBOsMc
As you can see from this clip it switches between 1.85 and 2.35, maybe some places are showing it cropped? or maybe you were so engrossed you didn't notice?
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Old 26-12-2012, 12:54
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It was shot 1.37:1, and C5 are showing this in pillarboxed format within the 16:9 frame - bars down either side. I'm assuming it's the same source used for the recent Blu-ray and DVD.
I'm glad Channel 5 broadcast the 4:3 film in a 16:9 frame. That meant the film wasn't spoiled with their DOG being too far in on the image and was tucked away at the top where it wasn't that noticable. If only they would do that with all their 4:3 content from now on as their DOG for 4:3 programming is awful on ALL their channels, and I'm surprised there haven't been complaints, or attempts to move it when they moved the DOG's when in the 16:9 position earlier in the year.
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Old 26-12-2012, 13:48
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNYv4tBOsMc
As you can see from this clip it switches between 1.85 and 2.35, maybe some places are showing it cropped? or maybe you were so engrossed you didn't notice?
Thanks; how odd! I was certainly "engrossed" but I don't remember the ratio changing.
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Old 26-12-2012, 17:07
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How to Train Your Dragon is OAR, and DreamWorks films have started appearing on iPlayer - perhaps the BBC have renewed their DW deal?
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Old 26-12-2012, 18:02
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNYv4tBOsMc
As you can see from this clip it switches between 1.85 and 2.35, maybe some places are showing it cropped? or maybe you were so engrossed you didn't notice?
Yep, that's the clip. Seems odd to change the ratio just for the effect when it was a bit unnecessary, as the flying fish are good enough.

Thanks; how odd! I was certainly "engrossed" but I don't remember the ratio changing.
That's fair enough. It took me a while during some action scenes of this year's IMAX 3D Spiderman to notice that the ratio had opened up. Shame they didn't do that for the Blu-ray, like was done for The Dark Knight Rises (although that wasn't in 3D)
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Old 27-12-2012, 09:17
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As you can see from this clip it switches between 1.85 and 2.35, maybe some places are showing it cropped? or maybe you were so engrossed you didn't notice?
It's projected in 1.85:1, with IIRC the flying-fish scene the only one that's letterboxed to 2.35:1. There's also one shot (overhead of Pi asleep in the lifeboat) which is pillarboxed into 1.33:1.
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Old 27-12-2012, 12:48
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It's projected in 1.85:1, with IIRC the flying-fish scene the only one that's letterboxed to 2.35:1. There's also one shot (overhead of Pi asleep in the lifeboat) which is pillarboxed into 1.33:1.
With hindsight I think I might have noticed some of this. I seem to recall at one stage thinking that the screen didn't look wide enough!
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Old 27-12-2012, 12:49
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What ratio was this shown in this morning? It was on the TV screen in my local leisure centre and it looked about 2.1:1, which is somewhat unusual.
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Old 27-12-2012, 14:52
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Looked 2.35:1 for me but then again, I'm not technical enough to see the difference between 2.35:1 and 2.40:1. If there's black bars at the top and bottom I just call it 2.35:1 regardless!

Unless the leisure centre TV was incorrectly set up and had the subtitle zoom or something on which made it look an odd ratio? Our local leisure centre's TV was always like that. Everything was zoomed in 16:9 on analogue so things looked too big for the screen but strangely no-one seemed to notice or care but me!
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Old 27-12-2012, 17:16
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Unless the leisure centre TV was incorrectly set up and had the subtitle zoom or something on which made it look an odd ratio? Our local leisure centre's TV was always like that. Everything was zoomed in 16:9 on analogue so things looked too big for the screen but strangely no-one seemed to notice or care but me!
Yes, you're probably right. Columbo was on one of the other screens in "stretchy" vision!
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Old 27-12-2012, 23:41
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Looked 2.35:1 for me but then again, I'm not technical enough to see the difference between 2.35:1 and 2.40:1. If there's black bars at the top and bottom I just call it 2.35:1 regardless!

Unless the leisure centre TV was incorrectly set up and had the subtitle zoom or something on which made it look an odd ratio? Our local leisure centre's TV was always like that. Everything was zoomed in 16:9 on analogue so things looked too big for the screen but strangely no-one seemed to notice or care but me!
I'm like that with the gym TVs. When they had digiboxes connected to separate 4:3 CRT TVs (all hanging from the ceiling), they often had them on 4:3, stretched sideways to fill the screen

I complained via the website, as it was easier than trying to explain to a member of staff who clearly couldn't see what was right in front of them! And they semi- sorted them out, but not completely, by which time I found out where they kept the remotes and adjust them accordingly next time I was in.

Now, they had flat-screen TVs with Freeview built-in so this is no longer an issue.
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Old 27-12-2012, 23:42
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Yes, you're probably right. Columbo was on one of the other screens in "stretchy" vision!
BTW, all 4:3 programmes do end up stretched, due to however their TVs are set up, but there's hardly any 4:3 material being shown when I'm in there, which is mostly between 5-7.
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Old 28-12-2012, 14:50
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Race to Witch Mountain currently in OAR on BBC1. Been surprised at most channels showing OAR over Christmas for the majority of their movies
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Old 28-12-2012, 20:12
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Managed to miss PLANET 51 (properly scoped on TV yesterday) from last week's listings. Time for new medication, I think. Nurse, the screens!!...


(Unless otherwise indicated, all films in the following list were projected at 2.35:1 prior to 1971, and at 2.39:1 thereafter)

* = May not be screened in all areas (check your local listings).

Scope and 3-D movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (29 December - 4 January):


Saturday (29 December)

Carriers (Film 4)
A Christmas Carol (BBC 3) [CGI Widescreen] [3-D]
The DaVinci Code (5*)
The Duchess (BBC 2) [Panavision]
Fast & Furious (ITV 2)
Fierce Creatures (ITV 3) [Panavision]
Flash Gordon (ITV 4) [Todd-AO 35]
Grounded: Unaccompanied Minors [Unaccompanied Minors] (C5)
Kaboom (Film 4)
Kull the Conqueror (ITV 4)
Land of the Dead (ITV 4)
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (C4)
Love Actually (ITV 1)
Mamma Mia! (ITV 2) [Panavision]
No Reservations (ITV 2)
Simply Irresistible (Film 4)
The Singer Not the Song (ITV 4) [CinemaScope]
Space Chimps (C4) [CGI Widescreen]
St. Trinian's 2: The Legend of Fritton's Gold (Film 4)


Sunday (30 December)

27 Dresses (Film 4) [Panavision]
The Big Country (ITV 4) [Technirama]
Blade Runner (BBC 2) [Panavision]
Eight Below: Inspired By a True Story (BBC 1)
Force 10 From Navarone (BBC 2) [Panavision]
The Incredibles (BBC 3) [CGI Widescreen]
The Jewel of the Nile (Film 4) [J-D-C Scope]
Kangaroo Jack (ITV 2) [Panavision]
The Loved Ones (Film 4)
Mamma Mia! (ITV 2) [Panavision]
The Man Who Sued God (C5) [Panavision]
Moon (BBC 2)
Nanny McPhee (ITV 2)
Open Range (BBC 1)
Rush Hour 3 (Film 4) [Panavision]
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers (C5) [CinemaScope] [2.55:1]
Snake in the Eagle's Shadow [蛇形刁手] (Film 4) [Anamorphic]
Training Day (ITV 4) [Hawk Scope]
Victor Victoria (BBC 4) [Panavision]
The Way West (ITV 4) [Panavision]
What Happens in Vegas... (E4)


Monday (New Year's Eve)

Bedtime Stories (BBC 1)
The Bourne Identity (ITV 2)
Bridget Jones's Diary (ITV 1)*
Cheyenne Autumn (C5) [Super Panavision 70] [2.21:1]
Entrapment (C4) [Panavision]
Flash Gordon (ITV 4) [Todd-AO 35]
G-Force (BBC 1) [CGI Widescreen] [3-D]
Grease (Film 4) [Panavision]
Kull the Conqueror (ITV 4)
Land of the Dead (ITV 4)
Midway (ITV 4) [Panavision]
Predators (Film 4)
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time (BBC 1)
The Red Baron [Der Rote Baron] (BBC 2)
Sexy Beast (Film 4)
The Sound of Music (BBC 1) [Todd-AO] [2.21:1]
Stardust (Film 4) [Panavision]
Zoolander (Film 4)


Tuesday (New Year's Day)

Alice in Wonderland (BBC 3) [3-D] [1.85:1]
Animal Kingdom (Film 4)
Annie (More 4) [Panavision]
Ben-Hur (C5) [MGM Camera 65] [2.76:1]
Constantine (5*)
Dances With Wolves (BBC 2) [Panavision]
Date Night (Film 4)
DragonHeart (ITV 1) [Panavision]
The Fog (ITV 4) [Panavision]
Freedomland (5 USA)
The Golden Compass (Film 4)
Hairspray (Film 4)
King Kong (ITV 1)*
Lawrence of Arabia (Yesterday) [Super Panavision 70] [2.21:1]
Lethal Weapon 3 (5 USA) [Panavision]
The NeverEnding Story II: The Next Chapter [Die Unendliche Geschichten II] (C4) [Panavision]
Oliver Twist (C4)
Peter Pan (ITV 2) [Panavision]
Pride & Prejudice (ITV 1)
Robin Hood (C4)
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers (C5) [CinemaScope] [2.55:1]
Shalako (ITV 4) [Franscope]
Small Soldiers (ITV 2)
The Spiderwick Chronicles (E4)
The Square (Film 4)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (ITV 2)
Twilight (E4)
Up (BBC 1) [3-D] [1.85:1]


Wednesday (2 January)

Avatar (E4) [Fusion 3-D] [1.85:1]
The Cheyenne Social Club (BBC 2) [Panavision]
Doctor Dolittle (C4) [Todd-AO] [2.21:1]
Election (Film 4)
Elektra (C5) [Panavision]
Jack Frost (5*) [Panavision]
Mission: Impossible III (Film 4) [Panavision]
Percy Jackson & the Lightning Thief [Percy Jackson & the Olympians: The Lightning Thief] (Film 4)
The Prestige (BBC 3) [Panavision]
Underdog (BBC 2)
Wind Chill (C5)


Thursday (3 January)

Confessions of a Shopaholic (BBC 2) [Panavision]
Definitely, Maybe (More 4)
Evan Almighty (ITV 2)
The Gauntlet (ITV 4) [Panavision]
Grounded: Unaccompanied Minors [Unaccompanied Minors] (C5)
The Last Mimzy (C4)
Mission: Impossible III (Film 4) [Panavision]
Monsters vs. Aliens (BBC 3) [CGI Widescreen] [3-D]
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (5*)
The Three Musketeers (Film 4) [Panavision]
Universal Soldier: Regeneration (ITV 4)
Von Ryan's Express (C4) [CinemaScope / Panavision]


Friday (4 January)

Appaloosa (More 4) [Panavision]
Bolt (BBC 3) [3-D] [1.85:1]
Christmas With the Kranks (5*) [Panavision]
Donnie Brasco (Dave)
The Emerald Forest (BBC 2) [Panavision]
The Fog (ITV 4) [Panavision]
The Island (ITV 1) [Panavision]*
Must Love Dogs (ITV 1) [Panavision]*
Out for Justice (5 USA)
Planet of the Apes (More 4) [Panavision]
Simply Irresistible (Film 4)
St. Trinian's 2: The Legend of Fritton's Gold (Film 4)
Universal Soldier: Regeneration (ITV 4)
Wedding Crashers (Film 4)
What Happens in Vegas... (E4)
The Young Victoria (BBC 2)
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Old 29-12-2012, 09:41
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Perhaps not strictly a film, but "Coldplay - MX World Tour 2012" (which was essentially a cut version of "Coldplay Live") was shown in OAR (I believe it's in 2.39, but don't quote me)

It's available in HD on the iPlayer, but you'll probably want to skip over the cringe worthy narration from Chris Martin...
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Old 30-12-2012, 15:39
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SPACE CHIMPS (C4) and EIGHT BELOW: INSPIRED BY A TRUE STORY (BBC 1) both screened OAR. Chimps was a premiere, but I believe Eight Below has only ever been cropped in previous transmissions.

Trailers for MOON on BBC 2 have been shown OAR, so I'd be very surprised if that one was cropped/reframed tonight.
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Old 30-12-2012, 21:57
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I know it was cropped the other day, but I caught the last few mins of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers and it was cropped to 16:9, but it's one of those Cinemascope productions where everyone's face looks a bit stretched in the process anyway, so it looked like a doubly-dreadful print here. AND it was out of sync!
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Old 30-12-2012, 23:48
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No logo on Blade Runner, so much better!
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Old 31-12-2012, 15:27
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Sound of Music is going out in OAR on BBC1HD
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Old 31-12-2012, 16:12
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Sound of Music is going out in OAR on BBC1HD
What's OAR?
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Old 31-12-2012, 16:34
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Original Aspect Ratio.
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Old 31-12-2012, 16:36
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Original aspect ratio...i.e. a film originally shot in a widescreen ratio is being shown in a widescreen ratio with black bars instead of being cropped, Panned and Scanned or "opened up".

Edit: Sorry, was just beaten by Libretio (sorry if I spelt that wrong)
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Old 31-12-2012, 21:07
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Original aspect ratio...i.e. a film originally shot in a widescreen ratio is being shown in a widescreen ratio with black bars instead of being cropped, Panned and Scanned or "opened up".

Edit: Sorry, was just beaten by Libretio (sorry if I spelt that wrong)
Not at all, old bean - great minds, and all that...

And now, I should warn those of a delicate disposition to brace themselves for a severe shock to the system. Hankies at the ready:

I know there are hundreds of millions of people out there, waiting desperately for my weekly list of scope and 3-D Blu-rays, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to give it a rest for a while, perhaps even permanently (no sobbing at the back there!). I've just been too busy to allocate time to doing it, and if I plough through it in a frenzy, just to make room for everything ELSE on my plate, then mistakes will happen and the lists will be no good to anyone. I may go back to it in due course, but no promises. Apologies to all those tempted to fling themselves onto mouse-traps in a fit of utter despair as a result of this heartbreaking announcement, but something in my schedule has simply gotta give, and it's this.

The TV listings will continue, no worries about that.
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