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#876 |
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Well I have just got back from it. It was recorded, just I had to wait an hour as the doctor wanted to read through my claim first and I had put so much information it took an hour.
She also stopped it halfway through and didn't ask me to do any movements as she claimed she could see I was in pain already. So stopped part through, not all problems disguised and not even asked to move any part of my body. I am especially pleased about the non movement as I would be unable to move my arms today as the OA is being a pain in the rear. So as it occurred today would waiting till next Wednesday, 16th be long enough to wait before I call and ask for a copy of the report? How can someone be in support group and not be entitled to some kind of PiP should be proof the assessment was not correct. Also used a piece of evidence that had been used to get me enhanced care to use it to refuse me. Looking forward to this tribunal now. |
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#877 |
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Copy of report came today, looking at it I "should" still be kept in support group. Should be interesting telling this to my PiP tribunal next month.
How can someone be in support group and not be entitled to some kind of PiP should be proof the assessment was not correct. Also used a piece of evidence that had been used to get me enhanced care to use it to refuse me. Looking forward to this tribunal now. ESA is about what you CAN do, PIP is about what you CAN'T do, so it's theoretically possible to be in the support group but not to qualify for PIP. Having said that, I've yet to encounter a support group claimant who is not entitled to PIP! I wonder if you should send the tribunal a copy of your ESA report as part of your evidence for the tribunal? |
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#878 |
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ESA is about what you CAN do, PIP is about what you CAN'T do, so it's theoretically possible to be in the support group but not to qualify for PIP.
Having said that, I've yet to encounter a support group claimant who is not entitled to PIP! I wonder if you should send the tribunal a copy of your ESA report as part of your evidence for the tribunal? |
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I've been advised due to my depression and anxiety meaning i can't use things such as knives etc un supervised that i should claim for pip, however reading the horror storys i'm not sure if i can handle the hassle.
I'm on ESA in the support group and a online test suggests i score 13 points in the daily living compoment but 0 in the mobility, is it worth me claiming pip and would it mess up my ESA? |
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#880 |
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I've been advised due to my depression and anxiety meaning i can't use things such as knives etc un supervised that i should claim for pip, however reading the horror storys i'm not sure if i can handle the hassle.
I'm on ESA in the support group and a online test suggests i score 13 points in the daily living compoment but 0 in the mobility, is it worth me claiming pip and would it mess up my ESA? If you don't live with another adult, your ESA could go up by £61.85 a week if you get the daily living component. It certainly won't go down, PIP is disregarded as income for means-tested benefits. I'd strongly advise you to get help filling in the form from a benefits adviser though. |
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#881 |
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I'm a support group claimant who isn't entitled to PIP. The lady helping me (who hardly knows me) is rather baffled as to how. As are my parents and my friend who was at my assessment.
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#882 |
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Are you appealing the decision?
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#883 |
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If you don't live with another adult, your ESA could go up by £61.85 a week if you get the daily living component. It certainly won't go down, PIP is disregarded as income for means-tested benefits.
I'd strongly advise you to get help filling in the form from a benefits adviser though. |
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I was on high rate care DLA and I had to of course apply for PIP.As soon as the letter came saying only 7 points , my money was cut off.I did the Mandatory C. letter , still no .
I am have appealed and have the tribunal coming up soon .We also lost income support , and help with our mortgage at the same and finding it tough now . At the risk of offending anyone who is delicate - stop reading now ! I should have scored a lot higher on the needs help with going to the bathroom one and getting bathed .I have a colostomy and a mucous fistula (which was made by the surgeon at the same time to drain off mucous ) .As the fistula is in my pubic hair ,there is no way I can see to shave it or to wash it out with a catheter .I have a hernia and a very uneven tum through a lot surgery scars . The response from the DPW was , there is no descriptor for the mucous fistula ? It's part of my colostomy and a pain in the neck to change and care for . Advice/thoughts would be appreciated thanks B. |
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I was on high rate care DLA and I had to of course apply for PIP.As soon as the letter came saying only 7 points , my money was cut off.I did the Mandatory C. letter , still no .
I am have appealed and have the tribunal coming up soon .We also lost income support , and help with our mortgage at the same and finding it tough now . At the risk of offending anyone who is delicate - stop reading now ! I should have scored a lot higher on the needs help with going to the bathroom one and getting bathed .I have a colostomy and a mucous fistula (which was made by the surgeon at the same time to drain off mucous ) .As the fistula is in my pubic hair ,there is no way I can see to shave it or to wash it out with a catheter .I have a hernia and a very uneven tum through a lot surgery scars . The response from the DPW was , there is no descriptor for the mucous fistula ? It's part of my colostomy and a pain in the neck to change and care for . Advice/thoughts would be appreciated thanks B. Links: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/be...y-to-tribunal/ http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/HOW%20T...PEAL%20DWP.pdf https://www.actionforme.org.uk/uploa...-factsheet.pdf http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/ima...y15_sample.pdf |
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Saving advice from this thread
Since it was created, many forum users have benefited from the advice contained within this thread.
I really hope that the Digital Spy forums continue to go on but if they don't then I'd suggest saving useful advice from this thread which can be done from any browser using the Save As or Print functions (printing can be done to Pdf pages and not necessarily paper documents using this software http://www.dopdf.com) and each thread page can be saved at a time. |
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Good idea.And thanks for all the info - very useful .
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Once you've applied for UC do you have to do anything regularly?
I've just found out that it is us who have to inform the UC of any rent increase. Where as at the moment the Council automatically get the rent so automatically get any increase. And how do you inform the UC so that they know your rent is being increased? |
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Since it was created, many forum users have benefited from the advice contained within this thread.
I really hope that the Digital Spy forums continue to go on but if they don't then I'd suggest saving useful advice from this thread which can be done from any browser using the Save As or Print functions (printing can be done to Pdf pages and not necessarily paper documents using this software http://www.dopdf.com) and each thread page can be saved at a time. |
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Sent off my PIP application... and they give me an appointment 40 miles away. Did they even bother reading it? Nice to see it's with ATOS, the same company who lied on my report the first time I had an assessment with them.
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#891 |
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Sent off my PIP application... and they give me an appointment 40 miles away. Did they even bother reading it? Nice to see it's with ATOS, the same company who lied on my report the first time I had an assessment with them.
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#892 |
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Are there any other things you can't do, Barrowgirl, or is just stuff related to the stoma/fistula?
On the basis of what you've told us so far, I reckon you should get 2 points for washing and bathing (need assistance to wash below the waist) and 2 points for toilet needs (use of an aid or appliance). It might be possible to stretch it to 4 points if you need assistance with the stoma. I'd also be looking to get one point for monitoring a health condition, ie checking the drain. That's only 4-7 points, so not enough, unless there are other descriptors that apply. Feel free to pm if you prefer - I know this stuff can get very personal! |
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#893 |
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Sent off my PIP application... and they give me an appointment 40 miles away. Did they even bother reading it? Nice to see it's with ATOS, the same company who lied on my report the first time I had an assessment with them.
Re the lying, there was a documentary about PIP assessments recently (still on iPlayer, I think). They had an interviewer with an ex-assessor who's become a whitsleblower, and he gave examples of reports being sent back and being told to rewrite the content in ways that were untrue. It confirmed what I've always expected: it's not a few rogue assessors, it's the system being completely unethical. One lady had had a home assessment. Her report said that the assessor had seen her go upstairs without any problem. Unfortunately, she lived in a bungalow... |
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Are there any other things you can't do, Barrowgirl, or is just stuff related to the stoma/fistula?
On the basis of what you've told us so far, I reckon you should get 2 points for washing and bathing (need assistance to wash below the waist) and 2 points for toilet needs (use of an aid or appliance). It might be possible to stretch it to 4 points if you need assistance with the stoma. I'd also be looking to get one point for monitoring a health condition, ie checking the drain. That's only 4-7 points, so not enough, unless there are other descriptors that apply. Feel free to pm if you prefer - I know this stuff can get very personal! Also, I would imagine that going out causes you anxiety in case of leakage etc As others have said EVIDENCE EVIDENCE is the key. Good luck. |
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Some people don't have an assessment centre within 40 miles, but if you do, you can ask them to change it.
Re the lying, there was a documentary about PIP assessments recently (still on iPlayer, I think). They had an interviewer with an ex-assessor who's become a whitsleblower, and he gave examples of reports being sent back and being told to rewrite the content in ways that were untrue. It confirmed what I've always expected: it's not a few rogue assessors, it's the system being completely unethical. One lady had had a home assessment. Her report said that the assessor had seen her go upstairs without any problem. Unfortunately, she lived in a bungalow... |
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#896 |
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Some people don't have an assessment centre within 40 miles, but if you do, you can ask them to change it.
Re the lying, there was a documentary about PIP assessments recently (still on iPlayer, I think). They had an interviewer with an ex-assessor who's become a whitsleblower, and he gave examples of reports being sent back and being told to rewrite the content in ways that were untrue. It confirmed what I've always expected: it's not a few rogue assessors, it's the system being completely unethical. One lady had had a home assessment. Her report said that the assessor had seen her go upstairs without any problem. Unfortunately, she lived in a bungalow... The only things she got right were that I can walk and bathe with no problems at all and that I have problems getting dressed. Everything else was a lie. I found it rather odd (not) that she claimed I've got no problems communicating because I can tell her I don't drive; but both my parents and my friend who was present at my assessment (who have met; but haven't discussed my situation) will tell you the complete opposite. Unfortuantely, I had a complete idiot fill my form out. He told me Autism doesn't cause any problems at all and completely ignored how my hearing problems affect me. (I can hear; just not if there's background noise and I can't always process what's being said)And now the fun task of trying to get through to ESA to inform them I'm not on DLA / PIP which means no severe disability premium until this is all sorted. |
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I have given up now .The major problem for me was I can't see to the mucous fistula myself .The doc placed it in my pubic hair and it has to be shaved.Since there's a hernia between me and it ,I need assistance to look after it .Of course there stuff around anxiety too .No matter now.
My form was full of crap when they returned it to me - I never bent down or touched my toes yet there was a breakdown of how many degrees I could move etc.I just couldn't be bothered pointing out their inconsistencies as I think unless you are literally terminal, you have as much chance of getting it as I have to waking up looking like Angelina Jolie. On the other hand I am a carer for my husband and I will put up one hell of fight for his PIP when it comes time.And now I know their tricks I shall make certain to read their report before they leave the house.!!
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Unfortuantely, I had a complete idiot fill my form out. He told me Autism doesn't cause any problems at all and completely ignored how my hearing problems affect me. (I can hear; just not if there's background noise and I can't always process what's being said). |
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Instead of just linking your hearing to Autism, also explain it is partly Hyperaccusis and auditory processing disorder.
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Hi, can anyone help? I sent back forms for a ESA reassesment in the summer and heard nothing till last week when i got a letter saying something along the lines, ''YOUR CLAIM FOR EMPLOYMENT AND SUPPORT ALLOWANCE'' then underneath ''ACHANGE IN THE EMPLOYMENT AND SUPPORT ALLOWANCE RATE PAYABLE'' The letter then went on to say they have looked at my claim again following a 'recent change' and that i have been 'placed in the work related activity group', then stating how much i would receive from 8 November 2016.
Does this mean i have been placed in WRAG again without a medical? Or is this some sort of generic letter. Thanks |
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He told me Autism doesn't cause any problems at all and completely ignored how my hearing problems affect me. (I can hear; just not if there's background noise and I can't always process what's being said)