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Yet another 9200T problem......
OLD JUDDA
14-07-2010
Since the OTA update my 9200T will miss off a few minutes on certain recordings. Some hour long and some half-hour programmes will have 3 minutes (Or less) missing, so i will miss either the beginning or end of a programme.

Yet other programmes will have their full recording time, any clues good people?
keithatrochdale
14-07-2010
This is quite normal and known.

It will get blamed on the TV companies no doubt.......... here comes Martin L.......
neilleeds
14-07-2010
Just recently I have had more endings missed than normal, particularly on BBC2. I wonder if the BBC are doing something different because I've never had a problem previously, especially on the BBC. Difficult to say whether the problem is related to the new firmware though.
krj
14-07-2010
Originally Posted by neilleeds:
“Just recently I have had more endings missed than normal, particularly on BBC2. I wonder if the BBC are doing something different because I've never had a problem previously, especially on the BBC. Difficult to say whether the problem is related to the new firmware though.”

BBC2 seem to be the worst at missing the ends off programmes. I use AR and serial link, so no padding, since serial link became available and it has always been the case with BBC2, so nothing new.

Several times I have had to watch the ends on iplayer
diablo
14-07-2010
I seem to have had some endings cut short recently, far more often than before. Though the starts of programmes seem better. I'd rather have the ends actually.

I'm still on the old software.
krj
14-07-2010
Originally Posted by diablo:
“I seem to have had some endings cut short recently, far more often than before. Though the starts of programmes seem better. I'd rather have the ends actually.

I'm still on the old software.”

I tend to think that BBC2 is very often poor at running to time, so the programme is still running i.e. late, when the stop recording signal is sent.

I don't know how the stop and start recoding signals are generated and how they sync to the programme however.
joegib
14-07-2010
Originally Posted by krj:
“I tend to think that BBC2 is very often poor at running to time, so the programme is still running i.e. late, when the stop recording signal is sent.”

Agreed, though I don't think this is confined to BBC channels. My firmware is bang up to date but I've never bothered with series link and the other fal-de-lals but simply used autopadding. Occasionally, I get caught short with a programme clash where I've neglected to set the EPG earlier. In those circs I switch to the channel I want to record and call up the 'Info' panel. This initially shows the preceding programme title but then changes to the target programme title at which point I hit the 'Record' button. Then I switch to the clashing programme I want to watch.

This isn't that common an occurrence but I've been surprised by the number of times when doing this that the target programme has actually been running for up to a minute or more before the info panel has changed to show the currently transmitted programme title. The other side of the coin is that on a few occasions, the 'Info' panel title has changed while the preceding programme has still been running!

The 'Info' panel seems to operate in real time so if that change is triggered by the same signal controlling the start/stop routine, it doesn't surprise me that programmes are getting chopped fore and aft. Hence, I'll stick to autopadding, thank you very much!

Joe
Martin Liddle
14-07-2010
Originally Posted by keithatrochdale:
“This is quite normal and known.

It will get blamed on the TV companies no doubt.......... here comes Martin L.......”

There are a number of known issues with the 9200; programs can start up to a minute after the receipt of the start signal although it does depend on whether the program is running early or late compared to the schedule. There is also an issue where the end of the programs can be chopped off if another recording is starting even though there is actually a tuner free. Broadcast problems can also contribute. However if the issue under discussion is loss of up to a minute at the start and termination of recordings when another starts then the Humax is probably to blame. If it irritates you then you can turn off accurate recording and use padding but this will also disable series link. For us the benefits of series link outweigh the occasional loss of content; YMMV.
OLD JUDDA
14-07-2010
The problem occurs mainly with series link, and it can happen on any channel.

I have series linked 'KO TV'. Last week i missed the end, this week the beginning.
TimA-C
14-07-2010
You don't think that maybe all the upheaval in the schedules due to all the sport and music festivals recently might have anything to do with it . . . ?
neilleeds
15-07-2010
Originally Posted by Martin Liddle:
“ For us the benefits of series link outweigh the occasional loss of content; YMMV.”

Agreed. In the cases I refer to there were no programs set to record directly after and there was no rescheduling due to World Cup for example. Still the ending was missed, I suspect this is down to BBC2 rather than the Humax.

I've never missed more than a few seconds at the start so that does not bother me.

I am looking forward to the HDR-FOX T2 which being ground-up designed for Freeview+ features will (I'm hoping!) cope much better with Series Link, AR, rescheduling, clashes and tuner management.
krj
15-07-2010
Originally Posted by TimA-C:
“You don't think that maybe all the upheaval in the schedules due to all the sport and music festivals recently might have anything to do with it . . . ?”

No - it has happend with me for a number of years.

Regarding AR or padding, I use AR and series link because I forget when programmes are on!!
OLD JUDDA
16-07-2010
Originally Posted by TimA-C:
“You don't think that maybe all the upheaval in the schedules due to all the sport and music festivals recently might have anything to do with it . . . ?”

I don't think so.

Originally Posted by krj:
“No - it has happend with me for a number of years.

Regarding AR or padding, I use AR and series link because I forget when programmes are on!! ”

Ditto!
creddish
17-07-2010
Originally Posted by joegib:
“Agreed, though I don't think this is confined to BBC channels. My firmware is bang up to date but I've never bothered with series link and the other fal-de-lals but simply used autopadding. Occasionally, I get caught short with a programme clash where I've neglected to set the EPG earlier. In those circs I switch to the channel I want to record and call up the 'Info' panel. This initially shows the preceding programme title but then changes to the target programme title at which point I hit the 'Record' button. Then I switch to the clashing programme I want to watch.

This isn't that common an occurrence but I've been surprised by the number of times when doing this that the target programme has actually been running for up to a minute or more before the info panel has changed to show the currently transmitted programme title. The other side of the coin is that on a few occasions, the 'Info' panel title has changed while the preceding programme has still been running!

The 'Info' panel seems to operate in real time so if that change is triggered by the same signal controlling the start/stop routine, it doesn't surprise me that programmes are getting chopped fore and aft. Hence, I'll stick to autopadding, thank you very much!

Joe”

The reason the info panel is not necessarily synchronised with the actual start and end of programmes is that the Humax PVRs take the info panel data from the EPG so it changes at the scheduled times for the programmes. If you were using Series Link and Accurate Recording then the unit would receive signals at the true programme start and end times and start and stop the recordings "accurately" at those times. Although as Martin has mentioned the start of the recordings can be delayed after the receipt of the start signal.

Colin
TimA-C
17-07-2010
Originally Posted by OLD JUDDA:
“I don't think so.



Ditto!”

Sorry, it was the "Since the OTA update my 9200T will miss off a few minutes on certain recordings" bit in your first post on this thread that led me to believe that this was a new problem, you know, like, since the OTA update!

What I meant was don't you think that all the upheaval in the schedules with all the sport and music that's been going on recently might have made things even more difficult for the broadcasters' already flaky system for accurately flagging the start and end times of their programs! Sorry if I was being too cryptic for you.
OLD JUDDA
21-07-2010
Originally Posted by TimA-C:
“Sorry, it was the "Since the OTA update my 9200T will miss off a few minutes on certain recordings" bit in your first post on this thread that led me to believe that this was a new problem, you know, like, since the OTA update!

What I meant was don't you think that all the upheaval in the schedules with all the sport and music that's been going on recently might have made things even more difficult for the broadcasters' already flaky system for accurately flagging the start and end times of their programs! Sorry if I was being too cryptic for you.”

No you wasn't being too cryptic Tim! I would have thought that the programme schedulers would have taken all of these aspects into account, with them being all 'Professional' and all that!
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