No, they've put it back to 18.20, the sw*nes!!! The ratings will be dreadful.


I plan on regenerating that night.

Why, what's happening on 1 Dec 2012?

If he's meaning the Mayan prophecies, then he's three years out (their calendar was different to our Gregorian on that we use).



Oh, and there's that thing about it not being a literal 'end', just the start of something new...

This is a thread about the end of Doctor Who, not the end of the blimmin' world!

But don't worry, it's not the end of the world. Or will it be?


Edit: Reading that back, it makes me think of what The Doctor said to Rory at the begining of TBB!

No doubt the mayan prophecies will make an appearance in series 7, the doctor saves the day

That was the only inference I could think of for the quote from roland:

My theory:

In a hyperthetical story called "The Executioners Song", the Doctor finds himself back in the Time War. Thought to be time locked and irreversible, the Doc is once again fighting Daleks and watching Gallifrey burn. Suddenly the Doctor is killed by a Dalek but he is incinerated. The Woman from "The End of Time" gathers up his ashes and takes them to a mystical Gallifreyan witch Doctor. The witch doctor puts the ashes onto a special plinth and says some cryptic words. The End of Time woman is crying and pleading with the witch doctor to restore him.

Suddenly there is a glimmer of hope as the ashes form into a snake like creature. The creature becomes powerful and the Woman bellows "A time lords true form". "Behold the resurrection of the Time Lord". The creature gets bigger and suddenly forms into a gigantic white light. The white light dims an a figure of a humanoid male stands before the woman and the Witch Doctor. "Hello mother" says the figure. "Hello son" says the woman. They hug each other.

The figure looks over to the witch doctor. "Am I restored?" he asks. The witch Doctor nods. "You are immortal but only until you get to your thirteenth ressurrection. After that, you will die."

"13 more regenerations?" asked the figure (who we know as The Doctor.) "Yes. 13 more. After that you must seek assistance from your mightiest enemy for further lives."

"What do you mean?" asked the Doctor.
"Those who you fear, those who would be your executioner. It is they you must sing to should further restorations be necessary. It is they, and they alone who can grant you new further cycles. Fail to gain their assistance and you will die forever. Your Tardis will be your guide".

"My Tardis. My guide. Just as she's always been!" says the Doctor. The woman looks lovingly at the Doctor. Tears are forming in her eyes.

"Now go, my son. You have a life refreshed, 13 new lives to live. Your first act must be the hardest act you will ever undertake."

The doctor, looking concerned, but knowing his mother's implications, kissed her on her cheeks tenderly.

"We do not belong. We have no place in the universe anymore. You and you alone my son, must restore time back to before your death. The time War must be locked. The Time war must be won by no one. Remember the Witch doctors wisdom my son. Protect those you fear the most. The universe may, some day, depend on them. "

The Doctor held his mother tight one final time and just as he had thousands of times before, relied on his dear old faithful Tardis to guide him out of the Time war and he successfully locked it again. a brand new Doctor. a brand new cycle of regenerations. brand new adventures!

I like it, almost as good as my last suggestion, the doctor becomes the white gardian, brings back gallifrey, with himself being reborn

That's when everything changes

Personally I think the timelords simply removed the 13 regenerations limit during the timewar

I don't want a remake of doctor who to be honest id only want the story to carry on,that's the point for me.good writers could make it successful in this way.its a shame if it does seem to be run in to the ground,which I don't think with it growing a little in u.s

I think that has been hinted at in the series, remember School Reunion when the dr says to rose, humans grow old and then they die but I will just keep on regenerating, he didnt say 3 more times then i have had it, brown bread, finito....
....In Utopia the master regenerates and then in SoD he says he was resurrected(which im assuming at the very least means complete new life cycle as he was offered in the 5 doctors) so obviously even if the 12 regeneration limit still exists its possible to renew them, as anyone who watched the old series knows very well the master was out of lives and into a stealing bodies craze.......
....In Eot in the cafe when dr and wilf are talking about regeneration there is no mention of any limits, and then there is the bit with Ood Sigma which IMO is the biggest hint ever..."This song is ending, but the story NEVER!!!! ends". IMO that was pretty much confirmation that he will have unlimited regenerations.

With the new show's leaning towards quirky humour it wouldn't surprise me at all if there scene plays out in the usual way:
i.e. The Doctor is critically injured, has no time to explain the regeneration limit to his current companion, blaze of yellow glow...
Then the new Doc sits up and says something like

" Oh, Well that was unexpected. Avanti! "

and we continue on with no further comment..

Why cant we all just ignore the so called maximum number of regens?

Everyone knows , or should know, that if the script writers etc knew that new series of Dr Who was still being produced 50 years into the future , then obviously they would have come up with a bigger number of regens or just not bothered with a number. Had they come up with 112 regens, that becomes future generations problem !

Yeah that or, since the Time Lords don't exist any more, it's logical to think that the regeneration limit died with them.

My other idea is that the Doctor somehow saves the Time Lords from the Time War and is granted another 3 regenerations

Hopefully not that, it's spoil it a bit IMO

Yeah, I agree completely.
But didn't the Master help the Time Lords and get granted extra regenerations? [I could be completely wrong btw]] So it's a possibility

Something intimate yet magnificent, a selfless sacrifice, not randomly killed.

At the end of the episode, a cryptic clue that The Doctor may yet be able to return....

It is a possibility as in it would work, I just mean it would spoil it a bit if the Doctor couldn't look sadly into the distance when someone mentioned his homeworld.

Well if you look at it, The Tardis plays an important role in the regenerations. The Doctor uses The Tardis to help him regenerate, even The Master regenerates in The Doctor's Tardis. So there could be a link that The Tardis controls regenerations. Without the Timelords, the rule no longer applies and The Tardis can give The Doctor unlimited renegerations and for that matter any Timelord.... so long as the rule does not escape the Time Lock.
It could also link into why The Master is so keen on having The Tardis, even when dying he asks where it is. Perhaps it is hinting it could have been used to save him. Even The Evil Doctor appears in The Tardis, everything links to it.

I would trust the used cars salesman down the road who would see me a ford ka whilst telling me it was a porsche.

But had they know that would be the final story to be aired for so many years...

I might be wrong but since 2005 I don't believe a "maximum" number of regenerations has ever been mentioned.
Therefore what if....during the Time War the Time Lords found a way to expand the previously though 13 into Who knows how many?
This may already have been thought of as starting at 9 knowing that previously the number 13 meant finito a way was needed in case it took off again for anothe 26 years or so.

You're right - it hasn't been addressed but the Time Lords can "resurrect" people now, like the Master.

As has been mentioned, I'd like to think his 13th Incarnation will not be his last. All rules, if that what it is, are there to be broken. With a show like Doctor Who, anything is possible. The Doctor could even get back to the 'live forever, barring accidents' scenario the Second Doctor quoted in The War Games.