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Old 18-07-2010, 13:29
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Last night my TV conked, it was one of those widescreens where the back sticks out 17 mile so its quite old .

I've seen a Baird 32 inch LCD HD ready tv, but was wondering if Baird was a good make? I cant remember ever hearing about that make before.
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Old 18-07-2010, 13:39
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Last night my TV conked, it was one of those widescreens where the back sticks out 17 mile so its quite old .

I've seen a Baird 32 inch LCD HD ready tv, but was wondering if Baird was a good make? I cant remember ever hearing about that make before.
Baird invented TV, by the 70's the name was used by Thorn (Ferguson etc.) for their rental companies, DER etc.

Currently I don't know who owns the rights to the name, but like Bush, Grundig, Luxor, Goodmans etc. it's just a badge used on cheap crap - probably bought from Vestel.
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Old 18-07-2010, 13:44
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Last night my TV conked, it was one of those widescreens where the back sticks out 17 mile so its quite old .

I've seen a Baird 32 inch LCD HD ready tv, but was wondering if Baird was a good make? I cant remember ever hearing about that make before.
Baird invented mechanical TV which has no connection with electronic TV invented by EMI or the TV's built by The Baird company in the 1950's and 1960;s
Up to around 1970 Baird was a manufacturer of Tv's and radios for the rental trade, the main outlet was Radio Rentals. In the early 70's it was taken over by BRC who then kept the name for the rental trade but the sets were identical inside to Marconi, HMV and Feguson sets.
Unfortunatly now when you buy a set with a name such as Bush, Ferguson, Goodmans, or even Baird all you are doing is buying a badge. What you need to do is find the model number,and do a comparison with other sets with different names. you will probably find it is made in Turkey
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Old 18-07-2010, 16:46
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The only Baird TV's I've seen these days are in Brighthouse... you know that lovely company that has modest interest rates



In conclusion: Avoid Baird as it's cheap budget equipment and most likely from Brighthouse who'll happily charge you a fortune.
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Old 18-07-2010, 16:48
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The only Baird TV's I've seen these days are in Brighthouse... you know that lovely company that has modest interest rates



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Old 18-07-2010, 17:04
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The only Baird TV's I've seen these days are in Brighthouse... you know that lovely company that has modest interest rates



In conclusion: Avoid Baird as it's cheap budget equipment and most likely from Brighthouse who'll happily charge you a fortune.
Yes I think I'll take your advice, the TV I was talking about was £450 or something cash, if you paid monthly it came to around £750.

Looks like no TV for me.
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Old 18-07-2010, 21:43
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Yes I think I'll take your advice, the TV I was talking about was £450 or something cash, if you paid monthly it came to around £750.

Looks like no TV for me.
Ouch. To be honest if you're that hard up that you need to pay for it at those rates (I've been there so know what it's like) then you are better off not spending the money. You can pick up decent second hand CRT sets very cheaply so that might be your best bet.
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Old 19-07-2010, 04:44
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Its like one of those names out on rent. I think even philips has whored out their name to fanai now.
http://www.funai.us/topics/2008/080409.html
Funai Electric Co., Ltd. (TSE/OSE 6839) today announced to enter into a brand licensing agreement in perspective with Royal Philips (AEXHI, NYSEHG)under which Funai will assume responsibility for the sourcing, distribution, marketing and sales activities of Philips’ consumer television business in the United States and Canada. The five-year minimum agreement takes effect September 1, 2008 and stipulates Funai will pay royalty payments in exchange for Funai’s right to exclusively use the Philips and Magnavox brand names for the TV offering in North America during this period. Completion of this intended agreement is subject to any mandatory governmental regulatory approvals. "

Saddos... like westinghouse,rca, magnavox, zenith, polarid, etc, its just cheap junk with a zombie label slapped on it.
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Old 19-07-2010, 13:56
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Baird invented mechanical TV which has no connection with electronic TV invented by EMI or the TV's built by The Baird company in the 1950's and 1960;s

electronic TV was certainly not invented by EMI

the system that Marconi EMI used at alexandra palace in 1936

was the american system from RCA based on the iconoscope developed by V. Zworykn Marconie got this via rights to use the patent

see-
http://www.bairdtelevision.com/zworykin.html

This of course was monochrome and the person who invented all electronic colour television ?????????????

John Logie Baird

the Baird Telechrome was the worlds first all electronic coulor TV Tube which became the baises of all future colour CRTs and while backward britain continued with the RCA system in the states RCA introduced all electronic colour
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Old 19-07-2010, 15:40
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Not again, biard did not invent electronic television. He was beaten to the correct method of producing television.

Others did the leg work for electronic tv. including http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo_F...nic_television

Once others had got the basics for electronic tv down, he simply used 3 to get color, but as before with his mechanical method, his method was not the right way of doing it, and not really the ancestor of modern color tv.

You have to really stretch to give him that much credit.
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Old 19-07-2010, 16:43
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I never said Baird invented electronic television

I said that EMI did not invent electronic television


the fact is that baird invented television it may have been mechanical to begin with but all inventions dont stay the same they evolve baird did not invent electronic television but he was first with all electronic colour tv

when charles babage invented the computer it was mechanical , the fact that computers today are all electronic dus not dispute the fact that Babbage invented the computer

Baird was the person who invented television he was the first person to demonstrated pictures by wireless , mechanical TV still exists today examples include VHS , DVD and Blue Ray both BBC and ITV use mechanical telecinie systems developed by Rank Cine tell the successor of the original Baird company mechanical TV systems are used in the space programs of both America and Russia

and the electronic CRT is now obsolete
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Old 19-07-2010, 16:54
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Nipkow patented mechanical TV in 1884.

Campbell Swinton proposed electronic TV in 1908
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Old 19-07-2010, 17:20
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but neither produced a working system they never progressed further than paper
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Old 19-07-2010, 17:39
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electronic TV was certainly not invented by EMI

the system that Marconi EMI used at alexandra palace in 1936

was the american system from RCA based on the iconoscope developed by V. Zworykn Marconie got this via rights to use the patent

see-
http://www.bairdtelevision.com/zworykin.html

This of course was monochrome and the person who invented all electronic colour television ?????????????

John Logie Baird

the Baird Telechrome was the worlds first all electronic coulor TV Tube which became the baises of all future colour CRTs and while backward britain continued with the RCA system in the states RCA introduced all electronic colour
Television requires more than one patent. EMI was the first to design a fully functioning system. They developed all the electronics including interlacing as well as the transmitters to get the TV on the air.
With regard to Baird and his colour TV it had no connection with the shadow mask colour tube designed and patented by RCA in the early 1950's. It was more like the defunct CBS colour system which used 405 lines!
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Old 19-07-2010, 18:16
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Yes I think I'll take your advice, the TV I was talking about was £450 or something cash, if you paid monthly it came to around £750.

Looks like no TV for me.
Sorry, but you can get tvs for absolutely nothing now. It's not as if the only tvs available are £450+!

First ask friends/neighbours/family to see if there are any unused. Then try Freecycle where people are giving them away in your area.

Heck, you can even see them piled up in the local tip... most of them probably work perfectly! Probably need a remote for them. Universal ones are available in poundshops.

Failing all of that, do a local search on Ebay for "collection only", and don't bid more than £5 or £10.

It might not be "32 inch LCD HD ready", but then again you've saved about £500... I know which I'd rather do.

Or you could just go without a TV of course, which would be fine for me... you might disagree!

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Old 19-07-2010, 18:34
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I have a 1953 TV. It cost £75 to buy then. Damned expensive at the time.
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Old 19-07-2010, 19:15
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Television requires more than one patent. EMI was the first to design a fully functioning system. They developed all the electronics including interlacing as well as the transmitters to get the TV on the air.
With regard to Baird and his colour TV it had no connection with the shadow mask colour tube designed and patented by RCA in the early 1950's. It was more like the defunct CBS colour system which used 405 lines!
The Telechrome Tube has got nouthing to do with defunct CBS coulur system which was based on Bairds orginal colour sytem from the 1930s which used a CRT with a mechanical coulor wheel .

the telechrome was the worlds first electronic colour CRT with no mechanical parts whatsoever !

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http://www.earlytelevision.org/baird...nic_color.html
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Old 19-07-2010, 20:08
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Wasn't Baird's colour system just a sequencial system. Rotate a disc in front of the Nipkow disc with Green, Red and Blue filter windows?? Same at receiving end.
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Old 19-07-2010, 20:12
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I never said Baird invented electronic television

I said that EMI did not invent electronic television


the fact is that baird invented television it may have been mechanical to begin with but all inventions dont stay the same they evolve baird did not invent electronic television but he was first with all electronic colour tv

when charles babage invented the computer it was mechanical , the fact that computers today are all electronic dus not dispute the fact that Babbage invented the computer

Baird was the person who invented television he was the first person to demonstrated pictures by wireless , mechanical TV still exists today examples include VHS , DVD and Blue Ray both BBC and ITV use mechanical telecinie systems developed by Rank Cine tell the successor of the original Baird company mechanical TV systems are used in the space programs of both America and Russia

and the electronic CRT is now obsolete
You are extending credit far past what is due. Biard was "first" to get past the line, but he was always doing it in a dead end fashion. His methods in other words were not well thought out and did not scale or allow for improvement.

As for your claims that biard is responsible for vhs and dvd and bluray as well. That shows how far you are willing to exagerate contribution. By the standard you are using you might as well claim edison also gets credit for such systems.
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Old 19-07-2010, 20:16
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I am saying the VHS and Blueray are mechanical TV systems
mechanical TV is still in use today so it was hardly a dead end
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Old 19-07-2010, 20:18
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Wasn't Baird's colour system just a sequencial system. Rotate a disc in front of the Nipkow disc with Green, Red and Blue filter windows?? Same at receiving end.
Baird's first system was a sequencicial system as you quote that was 1928 !

His all electronic colour TV 1945 was HD and 1000 lines not 405 lines ! see link in my outher post
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Old 19-07-2010, 20:20
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Wasn't Baird's colour system just a sequencial system. Rotate a disc in front of the Nipkow disc with Green, Red and Blue filter windows?? Same at receiving end.
His system for the tube was a triple interlaced design, one which of course was abandoned for future practical crt color tv's. Using 3 primary colors was frankly not a huge jump in innovation, that you need 3 colors to produce a color picture was wel known at the time, and the leg work of developing the crts was done by others by the time biard got around to modifying it. It was others developing things like the shadow mask that made color tv practical.
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Old 19-07-2010, 20:23
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I am saying the VHS and Blueray are mechanical TV systems
mechanical TV is still in use today so it was hardly a dead end
This is not the first time you've popped into a thread to scream that biard invented everything around.

To give biard credit for vhs/bluray is ridiculous level of thinking. You might as well claim nipcow and edison are responsible for bluray in that case.
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Old 19-07-2010, 20:26
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""Among the earliest published proposals for television was one by Maurice Le Blanc in 1880 for a color system, including the first mentions in television literature of line and frame scanning, although he gave no practical details.[3] Polish inventor Jan Szczepanik patented a color television system in 1897, using a selenium photoelectric cell at the transmitter and an electromagnet controlling an oscillating mirror and a moving prism at the receiver.""
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Old 19-07-2010, 21:36
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Ahh another thread where the mention of Baird takes the original post off into new and weird places

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