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Old 24-07-2010, 22:02
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I have never credited blueray to Baird

mechanical TV systems like VHS and Blueray are direct desendents of the worlds first video recording system which was invented by Baird phonovision which had video recorded on a LP record played back via a stylus

Blueray is modern version instead of a stylus it a lazer pickup instead of 30 lines we now have 1080 lines

mechanical TV systems still exist 80 years after Baird
DLP projectors use a modern version of the Baird sequential colour system using a filter wheel

babage invented the computer and Baird invented the television period
Bahaha...yea bluray is a direct decendent of edisons inventions by your extremely exagerated attribution of credit. I'm sorry, you are just going way beyond what is reasonable. The implimentation and theory behind bluray and biards machanical tv is just so vastly different that they are literally on different worlds. To pretend they are similar in anything but the most superficial way is simply ridiculous. You might as well say they are both made of physical matter, thus they are the same. *gag*
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Old 24-07-2010, 23:30
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The above statement has just confirmed my worst fears, I'm trapped in a parallel universe. Does anyone know of a way back?
Maybe If you took a look for yourself you may have a different opinion of this tv, you don't see anyone on here asking for help with one,you only here the problems , from samsung, LG sony, and its not because no one buys them, if that was the case you would not have the Baird badge out there, someone on here says they maybe philips panels that they use.
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Old 24-07-2010, 23:44
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Seeing as the OP has long since spat her dummy out over all the sensible advice which she was given f.o.c. and completely ignored, can we wind this thread up now, please? It's beginning to bore the hell out of me...
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Old 25-07-2010, 03:12
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I have never credited blueray to Baird

mechanical TV systems like VHS and Blueray are direct desendents of the worlds first video recording system which was invented by Baird phonovision which had video recorded on a LP record played back via a stylus

Blueray is modern version instead of a stylus it a lazer pickup instead of 30 lines we now have 1080 lines

mechanical TV systems still exist 80 years after Baird
DLP projectors use a modern version of the Baird sequential colour system using a filter wheel

babage invented the computer and Baird invented the television period
Wrong on both counts. Babbage invented the difference and analytical engines, neither of which had any of the components of a computer. It was a Post Office engineer called Tommy Flowers who built Colossus, the first ever computer.

Baird did not invent television, no matter how many times you say it. There were many others who had built working devices before Baird came along. The only credit that can be attributed to Baird in this respect is that he was the first to make a device that could televise live scenes and which produced images with varying shades of grey. That's it - nothing more.

You'll be saying next that Bell invented the telephone, which he didn't. That was invented by Antonio Meucci, 20 years before Bell thought of it.
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Old 25-07-2010, 03:13
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Seeing as the OP has long since spat her dummy out over all the sensible advice which she was given f.o.c. and completely ignored, can we wind this thread up now, please? It's beginning to bore the hell out of me...
Sorry.
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Old 25-07-2010, 03:15
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Yes I think I'll take your advice, the TV I was talking about was £450 or something cash, if you paid monthly it came to around £750.

Looks like no TV for me.
Can't you get one out of a catalogue?
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Old 25-07-2010, 13:31
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I can certainly remember Thorn hybrid colour sets, and they WERE unrelaible! Possible more from very bad quality control rather than circuit design .....

...... as far as I know, the 1st company with entirely solid state colour was Grundig.

Thorn B&W were dire. My family had one of the last chassis produced (I forget which one). The potentiometer tuning was highly unstable, and the i.f. was mistuned (there was always vision and sound mixing) ........

I think it's fair to say the Analytical Engine was the 1st computer, in essence.

With recording systems, analogue and digital are "chalk and cheese". There's certainly no "direct line" from Baird's phonograph tv recordings to blu-ray.
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Old 25-07-2010, 14:40
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Maybe If you took a look for yourself you may have a different opinion of this tv, you don't see anyone on here asking for help with one,you only here the problems , from samsung, LG sony, and its not because no one buys them, if that was the case you would not have the Baird badge out there, someone on here says they maybe philips panels that they use.
Well that could be because very few people if any on this sort of forum would be going to Brighthouse to buy a TV so you won't hear about them. Even if Philips were producing them which I doubt (maybe Funai using the name) that still wouldn't qualify them to breathe the same air as a Panny Plasma.
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Old 25-07-2010, 14:51
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Philips is now possibly funai.
Only in the US and Canada
www.funai.us/topics/2008/080409.html

In Europe, Philips TVs are..Philips.

In Europe, it is JVC TVs which are made by Funai.
Per: www.funaiworld.com/pressroom/2008/080131.html

"ii) Production of products for Europe contracted to Funai Electric by JVC
・JVC will entrust the production of LCD televisions to Funai Electric ’s European factory in Poland, which will begin by the first half of 2008.
2) Joint development and mutually contracted development
(i) Development of LCD televisions contracted to JVC by Funai Electric
・Funai Electric will entrust the development of LCD televisions to be sold primarily in Europe to JVC by June 2008.
(ii) Joint development of LCD televisions for JVC
・The two companies will jointly develop LCD televisions to be sold by JVC primarily in Europe and Americas, and Funai Electric will launch the production of these by the second half of 2008."
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Old 25-07-2010, 15:12
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Only in the US and Canada
www.funai.us/topics/2008/080409.html

In Europe, Philips TVs are..Philips.

In Europe, it is JVC TVs which are made by Funai.
Per: www.funaiworld.com/pressroom/2008/080131.html

"ii) Production of products for Europe contracted to Funai Electric by JVC
・JVC will entrust the production of LCD televisions to Funai Electric ’s European factory in Poland, which will begin by the first half of 2008.
2) Joint development and mutually contracted development
(i) Development of LCD televisions contracted to JVC by Funai Electric
・Funai Electric will entrust the development of LCD televisions to be sold primarily in Europe to JVC by June 2008.
(ii) Joint development of LCD televisions for JVC
・The two companies will jointly develop LCD televisions to be sold by JVC primarily in Europe and Americas, and Funai Electric will launch the production of these by the second half of 2008."
Rather a strange alliance that given that JVC is primarily owned by Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd the company that also owns Panasonic. One would have thought that those two companies had a better synergy?
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Old 25-07-2010, 16:05
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I can certainly remember Thorn hybrid colour sets, and they WERE unrelaible! Possible more from very bad quality control rather than circuit design .....
In which case you are certainly 100% WRONG - perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to what chassis thiis imagined hybrid Thorn set used?. Throns first colour set was the 2000 series, the worlds first all transistor colour TV.

I can only imagine you're thinking of an entirely different manufacturer?, and not Thorn at all - which would explain your confusion.

We were a major Grundig dealer, and Grundig went all solid state years after Ferguson, and quite a while after most other UK manufacturers as well.
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Old 25-07-2010, 16:50
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Maybe I am. I don't know.

I can remember a Grundig Supercolour, my family's 1st colour tv, in 1975. It was solid state, and the design would date from 1973, maybe earlier. I certainly remember that Grundiig said these were the 1st all solid state sets produced .......

I can remember all transistor Thorn and Ferguson B&W sets from the same period ('72) but not colour. Maybe that's wrong.
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Old 25-07-2010, 17:09
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Maybe I am. I don't know.

I can remember a Grundig Supercolour, my family's 1st colour tv, in 1975. It was solid state, and the design would date from 1973, maybe earlier. I certainly remember that Grundiig said these were the 1st all solid state sets produced .......

I can remember all transistor Thorn and Ferguson B&W sets from the same period ('72) but not colour. Maybe that's wrong.
Yes, sorry, but it's wrong - Grundig were fairly late to solid state TV's, and pretty late in the UK TV market entirely. Early colour TV's (such as the 2000) were dual-standard (405/625), and I don't think Grundig ever made such a beast?. Because the sets were UK specific, most were made in the UK.

I'm struggling finding a date for the 2000 on google?, but presumably it was 1967 or so?. If I remember correctly, the single-standard 3000 was launched in 1969? - which was the worlds first domestic use of a SMPSU .

You also spelt 'SuperColor' wrongly - there's no 'U' in it, it always annoyed me
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Old 25-07-2010, 17:48
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ok ok ...... I also did the same, and yes, there's no acutal date given. However, I'm certain about the Grundig claim, so it must have been wrong. It was "1st in world" (not Germany!).

Was the 1st USA (Zenith) solid state colour 1968? I thought that was world's 1st?
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Old 25-07-2010, 19:02
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ok ok ...... I also did the same, and yes, there's no acutal date given. However, I'm certain about the Grundig claim, so it must have been wrong. It was "1st in world" (not Germany!).

Was the 1st USA (Zenith) solid state colour 1968? I thought that was world's 1st?
Like I've said, the Thorn 2000 series was the worlds first - certainly America was very backward, continuing to produce valve sets years after Europe has entriely dropped them.
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Old 25-07-2010, 19:28
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A quick delve into the archive produced an article about the Thorn 2000 chassis in the July 1967 Practical Television.

Thorn/BRC claimed that it would "put Britain ahead of any other country in the world in TV receiver design."

The chassis used 90 silicon transistors and a 25" CRT.

Initially 3 models were announced from Ferguson, HMV and Ultra. The Ultra was 295 gns., the other 2 were 330 gns. (presumably better cabinets). A Marconiphone version was planned too.
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Old 25-07-2010, 19:52
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I dunno! Having checked, there was an RCA NTSC set on sale in 1968 ....... when did the Thorn hit the shops?
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Old 25-07-2010, 23:37
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I dunno! Having checked, there was an RCA NTSC set on sale in 1968 ....... when did the Thorn hit the shops?
Presumably 1967 as the post above said, and as I suggested a couple of posts earlier.
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Old 26-07-2010, 14:33
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The OP asked the question wether or not Baird TV's are any good, of the 90+ posts over 4 pages there has been allmost no answers and the thead has mutated in to who invent TV type debate. Baired TV's are Just a badge company for rebranded goods made either Turkey or China along the same lines as Bush, Goodmans,alba in other words best avoided.
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Old 26-07-2010, 15:53
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The OP asked the question wether or not Baird TV's are any good, of the 90+ posts over 4 pages there has been allmost no answers and the thead has mutated in to who invent TV type debate. Baired TV's are Just a badge company for rebranded goods made either Turkey or China along the same lines as Bush, Goodmans,alba in other words best avoided.
Too late, she's already been stitched up like a kipper by Brighthouse. We tried to warn her.
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Old 26-07-2010, 16:19
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Yeah, sorry! I THINK "Baird Brand" is currently owned by a Chinese company. Not sure.

I DON'T think Vestel tvs go under that name in UK. Not sure.

(added) one post on AV FOrums claim "Baird" tvs are made by ...... Samsung ! I have no idea if that's correct, but it sounds very unlikely!

http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-l...em-before.html
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Old 26-07-2010, 16:39
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You also spelt 'SuperColor' wrongly - there's no 'U' in it, it always annoyed me
Throns first colour set was the 2000 series, the worlds first all transistor colour TV.

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It must be catching
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Old 26-07-2010, 16:53
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Throns first colour set was the 2000 series, the worlds first all transistor colour TV.
Strange, judging by the picture here http://www.oldtechnology.net/colour.html it seems to have a rather large valve in it.
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Old 26-07-2010, 17:07
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Wouldn't that be a water valve, for cooling the line output trannies?

Doesn't count!
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Old 26-07-2010, 17:42
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I can remember a Grundig Supercolour, my family's 1st colour tv, in 1975. It was solid state, and the design would date from 1973, maybe earlier. I certainly remember that Grundiig said these were the 1st all solid state sets produced .......
It's only about a year since I gave away my still perfect working order 22" Grunding SuperColor with the CUC70 chassis.

I still have it's little brother, a 14" Super Color from about the same era in use in a bedroom. Again working perfectly.

I wonder how many present day LCD or Plasma sets will last that long?
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