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Old 26-07-2010, 17:57
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It's only about a year since I gave away my still perfect working order 22" Grunding SuperColor with the CUC70 chassis.
The CUC range (Compact Universal Chassis) were relatively 'modern' Grundigs

Do you remember the thyristor based ones, originally using two, and then three in the later ones.

Where Grundig were first was in 'search tuning' - a common problem was their tuning presets failing - so they brought out an immensely complicated and expensive electronic tuning board. If I remember correctly?, it was based on Texas chips?.
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Old 26-07-2010, 18:10
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The CUC range (Compact Universal Chassis) were relatively 'modern' Grundigs

Do you remember the thyristor based ones, originally using two, and then three in the later ones.

Where Grundig were first was in 'search tuning' - a common problem was their tuning presets failing - so they brought out an immensely complicated and expensive electronic tuning board. If I remember correctly?, it was based on Texas chips?.
My 22" one had a dry joint on the tuning sub board. Sometimes it wouldn't let you re tune it, requiring the back off and give the board a prod. I searched but never found the fault, I just put up with it.

I never worked on the thyristor ones, but serviced plenty of horrendous valve LOPT stages.
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Old 26-07-2010, 19:14
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It's only about a year since I gave away my still perfect working order 22" Grunding SuperColor with the CUC70 chassis.

I still have it's little brother, a 14" Super Color from about the same era in use in a bedroom. Again working perfectly.

I wonder how many present day LCD or Plasma sets will last that long?
Given a half-life or full life (not sure which it is) of 100,000 hours then quite a few I would think.
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Old 26-07-2010, 19:17
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Wouldn't that be a water valve, for cooling the line output trannies?

Doesn't count!
Err, no.
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Old 26-07-2010, 19:30
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I think it's fair to say the Analytical Engine was the 1st computer, in essence.

With recording systems, analogue and digital are "chalk and cheese". There's certainly no "direct line" from Baird's phonograph tv recordings to blu-ray.[/quote]

both phonvision and DVD/Blueray are video recordings recorded to disc and played back by a mechanical disc player to the TV ! Bairds original 30 line TV was narow bandwith and he realised he could record this on to a record and play it back

in the 1970s NASA sent 2 LP video discs on the Voyager space craft complete with stylus and instructions on the album cover to play back video

RCA in the 80s used an updated version of the same thing a LP record with video at 525 lines played back with a stylus just like Bairds original system , Philips updated this with a Laser pick up Blue Ray and DVD are Digital systems the disc is smaller and they use a laser instead of a stylus and there is more lines in the TV picture but basicly its still a mechanical disc player Baird stoped using mechanical recievers in the late 30 s but still employed mechanical systems in the studio
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Old 26-07-2010, 19:49
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Decided this morning to go into Brighthouse to look at the Baird televisors in the window there was a samsung LCD but inside the shop lots of Baird LCD huge 55inch a bit large for me however the picture on the Baird TVs was excelent the only problem was that they where being fed a from a SD source one was showing a Philips demo at the back of the shop they had 2 Phillips LED TVs both at £1000+ but the picture was breathtaking from an HD source I also noticed a Baird hifi for £175 this qiute clearley was made by Phillips as it looked like Phillips qiute impresive, there was also computers

I think these baird televisions are Phillips I also read that online also they must be reliabile as you never hear any complaints

would love a Baird (R) TV but a 32 inch is £491.98 with sevice cover at 156 weeks it ends up at £1,558.44
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Old 26-07-2010, 20:46
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You'd really be better putting a Baird sticker on anything because the name Baird these days bares nothing whatsoever in relation to the original Baird you clearly idolise

Seriously, please don't buy one from Brighthouse, they're borderline loan sharks!

The fact you don't hear much about them is highly unlikely to be because they're super reliable, more likely that that vast majority of savvy internet aware consumers steer clear of them and get something else (at most likely considerably less cost). You'll hear a lot about LG or Samsung or Sony etc because they sell in the hundreds of thousands unlike the Baird branded products.
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Old 26-07-2010, 21:00
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Everything has gone full circle.Remember Radio Rentals?you could rent stuff from them and if you sat down and worked it out if you kept the set for a few years you could have bought several for the money you'd paid in rental.Everything was badge engineered for them under the Baird name,most started as Ferguson gear or JVC for VCRs,they then sourced from Thomson I seem to recall.that is before they gave up trading.




Decided this morning to go into Brighthouse to look at the Baird televisors in the window there was a samsung LCD but inside the shop lots of Baird LCD huge 55inch a bit large for me however the picture on the Baird TVs was excelent the only problem was that they where being fed a from a SD source one was showing a Philips demo at the back of the shop they had 2 Phillips LED TVs both at £1000+ but the picture was breathtaking from an HD source I also noticed a Baird hifi for £175 this qiute clearley was made by Phillips as it looked like Phillips qiute impresive, there was also computers

I think these baird televisions are Phillips I also read that online also they must be reliabile as you never hear any complaints

would love a Baird (R) TV but a 32 inch is £491.98 with sevice cover at 156 weeks it ends up at £1,558.44
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Old 26-07-2010, 23:07
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Given a half-life or full life (not sure which it is) of 100,000 hours then quite a few I would think.
As that is merely an imagined time until the panel has dropped in brightness too far to be useful, it's pretty meaningless. Most Plasma's will have probably been scrapped long before that for actual failures.
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Old 26-07-2010, 23:28
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As that is merely an imagined time until the panel has dropped in brightness too far to be useful, it's pretty meaningless. Most Plasma's will have probably been scrapped long before that for actual failures.
But you haven't really got a large enough database to make that assumption have you as the technology is still to new for data on longevity to have been gathered. You can probably draw a conclusion around the twenty year mark by which time data will be available but until then as I say it's mere speculation.
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Old 27-07-2010, 01:23
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I think it's fair to say the Analytical Engine was the 1st computer, in essence.

With recording systems, analogue and digital are "chalk and cheese". There's certainly no "direct line" from Baird's phonograph tv recordings to blu-ray.

both phonvision and DVD/Blueray are video recordings recorded to disc and played back by a mechanical disc player to the TV ! Bairds original 30 line TV was narow bandwith and he realised he could record this on to a record and play it back

in the 1970s NASA sent 2 LP video discs on the Voyager space craft complete with stylus and instructions on the album cover to play back video

RCA in the 80s used an updated version of the same thing a LP record with video at 525 lines played back with a stylus just like Bairds original system , Philips updated this with a Laser pick up Blue Ray and DVD are Digital systems the disc is smaller and they use a laser instead of a stylus and there is more lines in the TV picture but basicly its still a mechanical disc player Baird stoped using mechanical recievers in the late 30 s but still employed mechanical systems in the studio
Wow, still going on about that? Biard neither invented the sylus or lp records for recording signal, neither are things he can lay any claim to let alone stretch to encompass future implimentations which are based on vastly different technology.

Anyways theres sparse information on the brand these days. As far as i can tell its just a samsung badge, these things are bought for big companies to slap on their second rate products or for use when they'd be embarrassed to tarnish their name with the association.
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Old 27-07-2010, 01:40
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I never said that Baird invented the stylus or record player

he invented the television and also video recording

see

http://www.tvdawn.com/tv1strx.htm

are you trying to tell me that there is no mechanical parts in a blue ray player or a vhs machine both mechanical tv devices still used to day

just because we do not use mechanical televisors today to view programs duse not alter the fact that John Logie Baird was first with television not shadographs real TV we stoped using mechanical televisisors in in the late 30s but 80 years on we still use mechanical television equipment a VCR is a mechanical TV it like bairds televisor has a TV Tuner and instead of a display it has a mechanical motor and play back and recording heads and you need to have a tv licence because it is a mechanical tv if the tape is not run at the right speed you wont get a picture both the BBC and ITV still use mechanical playback for films, mechanical TV is used in DLP projectors which still use Bairds colour wheel etc
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Old 27-07-2010, 02:09
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You are moving the goal posts to a level where its simply ridiculous, "mechanical parts" is a superficial level of similarity that cannot be used to attribute credit to baird. Its silly as giving credit to edison for bluray for the simple fact that even bluray today uses physical mechanical media as recording medium for media.
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Old 27-07-2010, 09:21
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Looking at the photos on the Brighthouse web site the larger screen LCD's look like rebadged older model philips sets which i belive were made by LG. Brighthouse parent company Caversham Finance Limited untill recently was part of Thorn Group PLC, who used too sell the Baired brand exclusivly in their DER/Radio Rentals shops. Caversham must have inherited the rights to the Baired brand when Thorn sold the company.
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Old 27-07-2010, 13:31
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Everything has gone full circle.Remember Radio Rentals?you could rent stuff from them and if you sat down and worked it out if you kept the set for a few years you could have bought several for the money you'd paid in rental.Everything was badge engineered for them under the Baird name,most started as Ferguson gear or JVC for VCRs,they then sourced from Thomson I seem to recall.that is before they gave up trading.

Yes, but tv's were unreliable years ago and it paid tio rent as it would have been fixed for free
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Old 27-07-2010, 15:12
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also the cost of colour tv in real terms was more exspensive back then so most people rented one advantage was it was easy to upgrade to a new model every few years
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Old 27-07-2010, 20:20
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But you haven't really got a large enough database to make that assumption have you as the technology is still to new for data on longevity to have been gathered. You can probably draw a conclusion around the twenty year mark by which time data will be available but until then as I say it's mere speculation.
'Speculation' based on the evidence of Plasma (and LCD) failures so far - lots and lots of Plasma's have been scrapped, far more so than LCD's (based on the relative numbers sold). However, to be fair, there are more older Plasma's than LCD's - so that may skew figures a little. I'm not talking about y personal experience, I'm talking about a worldwide group of service engineers.

I suspect the extra power consumption and heat don't help the Plasma's, and I don't consider predicted LCD lifespans as anywhere near accurate either. Exactly as with Plasma, it's defined as the picture having faded too much too be satisfactory - and while LCD don't seem as bad as Plasma, I doubt many LCD's will get to that stage either, but will be scapped before they are 'worn out'.
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Old 28-07-2010, 02:39
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Well there are too many factors, people scrap things when they upgrade as well, if plasma buyers are also more concerned with upgrades, more will be tossed out.
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Old 28-07-2010, 21:22
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It's only about a year since I gave away my still perfect working order 22" Grunding SuperColor with the CUC70 chassis.

I still have it's little brother, a 14" Super Color from about the same era in use in a bedroom. Again working perfectly.

I wonder how many present day LCD or Plasma sets will last that long?
I have one on the Grundig CUC95 chassis - brill set even if it does "drift" on preset 1. I believe it dates from 1983.

The tube in it still gives a good kicking to tubes in other sets of a similar age!

Pity that Grundig are just a badge now
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Old 29-07-2010, 15:39
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I never said that Baird invented the stylus or record player

he invented the television and also video recording

see

http://www.tvdawn.com/tv1strx.htm

are you trying to tell me that there is no mechanical parts in a blue ray player or a vhs machine both mechanical tv devices still used to day

just because we do not use mechanical televisors today to view programs duse not alter the fact that John Logie Baird was first with television not shadographs real TV we stoped using mechanical televisisors in in the late 30s but 80 years on we still use mechanical television equipment a VCR is a mechanical TV it like bairds televisor has a TV Tuner and instead of a display it has a mechanical motor and play back and recording heads and you need to have a tv licence because it is a mechanical tv if the tape is not run at the right speed you wont get a picture both the BBC and ITV still use mechanical playback for films, mechanical TV is used in DLP projectors which still use Bairds colour wheel etc
Baird managed to put tv signals on a gramophone record because they were only 30 lines!

Any device that rotates is "mechanical", but videotape recording has nothing to do with Baird. It was invented at Ampex by Mr Dolby (man of a million patents).
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Old 29-07-2010, 16:07
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Baird managed to put tv signals on a gramophone record because they were only 30 lines!

Any device that rotates is "mechanical", but videotape recording has nothing to do with Baird. It was invented at Ampex by Mr Dolby (man of a million patents).
Actually the basics were 'stolen' from Germany at the end of WWII, and considerable funding for it came from Bing Crosby
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Old 29-07-2010, 19:58
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Baird managed to put tv signals on a gramophone record because they were only 30 lines!

Any device that rotates is "mechanical", but videotape recording has nothing to do with Baird. It was invented at Ampex by Mr Dolby (man of a million patents).
Baird was limited to 30 lines because the post ofice refused to give him a licence to broadcast ultra shortwave (VHF) where he could have broadcast over 400 lines

RCA used a version of the Baird Phonovision in the 1980s and there was 525 lines on a gramaphone record !

Baird was the first person in the world to invent video recording

next somone will be telling me that the first transatlantic TV pictures where doune by Telstar
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Old 29-07-2010, 20:14
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and i'm sure i'm the first person to copy a mp3 to a floppy, thus i get credit for bluray. Stop trying to make it more than it is. Really..its getting ridiculous.
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Old 29-07-2010, 20:30
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There was video recorder used by the BBC called the Blatnerphone.

Telstar was a bit of a disaster on the first pass. Post Office at Goonhilly had set up their big dish with the wrong polarisation. Some think the yanks fooled the Brits coz they wanted onoy the French to get a signal. Others say it was a misunderstand how left and right hand pol is defined.

Off out to the pub.. quiz on.
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Old 30-07-2010, 00:17
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Baird sent low def pics by short wave to the USA in 1927 or 28.

RCA in the US picked up Alexander Palace BBC TV on 45 MHz at Sunspot peak in 1938.

Amateurs around the world picked up Alexander Palace and then Crystal Palace in 57/58..at another Sunspot peak.

I thought Baird's Ally Pally tests were a 240 line system??
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