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Old 31-07-2010, 21:47
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TV pictures from the falklands war where uplinked by the Royal Navy using a portabile Earth station to the UK millitery Skynet global satelite system video was scaned using the Baird process of telecinie and then uplinked

because of the falklands war the goverments since then have invested in the UK sky net satellite program

see-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet
I"m not sure why you linked that.

"Skynet 3

Was cut due to budget restrictions, the capability being delivered using US assets. This dependence was identified as a weakness during the Falklands war and was one of the contributing factors for the emergence of the Skynet 4 tranche of space vehicles.[citation needed]"
Skynet 2 and 1 being both failures and geostationary, they were either not in position or lacked the bandwdith to do what are you talking about.

I know all this I was trying to reply to somone else who seems to be confused about satellite tv geostationary satellite where in use from the late 1960s and used by broadcasters to televise live events like the Olympics

this is all a diversion over over the nonsense that Baird did not invent the television or mechanical television is not real television its like saying that a film camera is not a real camera because it is not digital

all electronic tv did not happen until the 1930s TV evolves like outher technology
Theres no confusion on my side. There is confusion on your side where you make either too much or too little of things to suit your argument. Special events with long prepreration times and budgets like the olympics are entirely different than something like the falklands. The idea that there was a complete free to use video satellite network that covered places like the falklands does not wash with reality. At the time the uk was so short on even military satellites they had to borrow american assetts.

I said that they where uplinked from a royal navy ship
which was almost certainly the case but there was TV coverage even though the MOD restricted what you saw
no tv was transmitted direct from the Falklands
Did you even read the wiki quote before you posted it? It says it took 20 minutes to transfer a frame on that "borrowed" network. Yet you think it should have been as easy as broadcasting the olympics.


Baird was the first person to achieve Television in the world

his patents include colour and 3d and video recording

and also the first all electronic colour crt telechrome tube

in 1945 he had all electronic 3D colour television in HD 1000 lines an no need for silly spectical lenses either

you can run him down as much as you want it still duse not change the fact the he was first and set up the worlds first TV station in 1928 " 2TV" something we should all be proud of our country was the first in the world with television
Are you sure he didn't invent the exagerration based baird credit attribution robot?

I'm sorry but how can you possibly know he patented all this when different countries dispute different thjings?
Nationalism I guess. He just "knows", which is how he gives baird credit for things like bluray.
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Old 31-07-2010, 22:03
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Isn't the major part of any invention the idea in the first place??

Without Nipkow, Baird would be unknown.

The idea of scanning and sequentional transmission dates back into the 19th C.

Alexander Bain (A Scot.. Fax Machine..1846), Frederick Bakewell (English,,,image - fax..around 1850), a French bloke and Nipkow to mention just 4.
Lol which mr robert should know, because he brought up "connections" a couple posts back. But he's crowing on about baird regardless. Makes me think he didn't actually read the book or simply missed the entire point.
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Old 13-04-2013, 17:31
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Everyone elses experience was different as well

Thorn made really good sets - bear in mind, back in those days, sets were far less reliable than a few years ago (although the cheap supermarket crap has probably proved more unreliable than the 70's).

Thorn had the advantage of NEVER producing a valve colour set, and in fact produced the worlds first all transistor set. Never using valves made them more relaible than other sets.
I really must take issue with this statement about colour TVs. Having been a Service Engineer with Radio Rentals and then Technical Training Manager at ThornUK Rentals, I know that Baird DID make valve colour televisions. I worked on them!

The early ones from 1965, the 700 range (models 701, 702 and 705), were valve sets (they used a PL38 as line output and a PD500 as EHT stabiliser, togther with valves for tuner, IF strip and the video and audio outputs) as were all their colour sets up to the 718 model. In 1969 three channel 625 line UHF colour transmissions started (adding BBC1 and ITV to the existing BBC2) and the 721 and 722 models were released, being the first Baird all transistor sets (they used the 3000 series chassis but Ferguson had previously introduced the hybrid 2000 series). I spent 25 years with the company and knew Baird sets very well, they were no better nor worse than any other products in that market at the time.

BTW, Radio Rentals, DER, Multibroadcast and Rumbelows were formed into Thorn UK Rentals in about 1990 and remained so until the company was sold to the asset-strippers at Namura. From the mid sixties the Baird sets were made by Ferguson in Enfield, most of the Thorm rental sets were badged versions.

Philips came up with the video tape recorder for domestic use in the form of the 1500 series in the early '70s, JVC brought out VHS in about 1977 and Sony brought out Betamax at about the same time. The rental companies went for the VHS so it sold more but was not necessarily any better.

The first publicly available regular television broadcasts in the world were from Alexandra Palace (Ally Pally) in 1936. US broadcasts didn't start similar broadcasts until at least 1946, Ally Pally restarted well after the War and programmes were available by 1952 across much of London, and Birmingham had a service in good time for the Coronation in June 1953.

A good read is a book called The Set Makers (Geddes, K and Bussey, G. (1991) The Set Makers, London: The British Radio & Electronic Equipment Manufacturers' Association. See ref1002 at http://www.r-type.org/refs/ref1002.htm). It tells a lot more about the manufacturers and shows how some (including Philips in Europe under the direction of my father) make great effort to improve reliability and production efficiency.
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Old 13-04-2013, 18:05
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In my earlier post I incorrectly stated that the 2000 chassis was hybrid, it isn't but was never used by Radio Rentals.

Likewise the transmissions by the BBC from Ally Pally were the first regular scheduled transmission for public viewing.

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Old 13-04-2013, 18:23
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Welcome to DS! Been trawling through the old threads I see.
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Old 13-04-2013, 18:42
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I was walking past what I think was a second hand shop yesterday and was amazed to see a BAIRD TV in the window! This brought back memories as my first job was production fault finding in the Baird factory. Unfortunately I didn't have chance to look closely as it was raining but it was around 32" flat panel model. I have not seen the name used for many years.
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Old 13-04-2013, 20:54
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I really must take issue with this statement about colour TVs. Having been a Service Engineer with Radio Rentals and then Technical Training Manager at ThornUK Rentals, I know that Baird DID make valve colour televisions. I worked on them!
Presumably that was simply BEFORE Thorn took over the Baird name?, as Thorn never made any valve colour sets.

Certainly we sold plenty of Baird built B&W TV sets that pre-dated Thorn, but I've no idea what actual date they were from? (I just repaired them, they had been sold/rented before I started work). I can remember they used to have a stupid plastic surround to the tube, which was easily cracked when moving or transporting the sets.

I'm please you spotted your error about the 2000
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Old 13-04-2013, 21:21
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I was walking past what I think was a second hand shop yesterday and was amazed to see a BAIRD TV in the window! This brought back memories as my first job was production fault finding in the Baird factory. Unfortunately I didn't have chance to look closely as it was raining but it was around 32" flat panel model. I have not seen the name used for many years.
It's used by BrightHouse which was originally part of Thorn EMI's TV rental business.
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Old 15-04-2013, 11:42
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Presumably that was simply BEFORE Thorn took over the Baird name?, as Thorn never made any valve colour sets.

Certainly we sold plenty of Baird built B&W TV sets that pre-dated Thorn, but I've no idea what actual date they were from? (I just repaired them, they had been sold/rented before I started work). I can remember they used to have a stupid plastic surround to the tube, which was easily cracked when moving or transporting the sets.

I'm please you spotted your error about the 2000
I jojned RR in 1969 in Croydon and all colour TVs of the time being rented were Baird branded and had valves as stated. The 701 & 702 were introduced in 1967 on the start of Colour services on BBC2 from the Crystal Palace transmitter. The 711, 712 & 718 were brought out around 1968 and still used valves and had a Baird branding.
Thorn EMI bought RR in 1964, defeating Granada TV Rental in a stock price war. Thorn also bought into DER, Multibroadcast and Rumbelows around the same time.
From my time there I am certain that the B&W 1400 & 1500 series as well as the 3000 series colour TVs were made by Ferguson in Enfield and badged Baird, DER or Multibroadcast as well as using Ferguson's own brands. I visited the factory several times and often worked with Ferguson technical staff over many years. Thorn eventually owned Ferguson as well, later to be sold to a French TV manufacturer.
Any flat screen TV with a Baird brand name are recent introductions, not made by any Thorn company but badged so, the brand being owned by Brighthouse which is the remaining element of Thorn UK operations once known as 'Crazy George'.
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Old 15-04-2013, 12:40
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For those interested in some history of Thorn and its TV rental and manufacturing companies, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_...cal_Industries

It looks fairly accurate to me having worked for them for many years, including in Head Office technical departments.

It does show that Thorn owned Ferguson at the time they were making the Baird 700 and 710 series of valve colour TV sets in the '60s.
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Old 15-04-2013, 13:07
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I was walking past what I think was a second hand shop yesterday and was amazed to see a BAIRD TV in the window! This brought back memories as my first job was production fault finding in the Baird factory. Unfortunately I didn't have chance to look closely as it was raining but it was around 32" flat panel model. I have not seen the name used for many years.
I would imagine if any still made in the last 10 years, the 'Baird TV Factory', is probably next to the 'Polaroid TV Factory', and the 'Bush TV Factory' in the arse end of China somewhere.

Bush - Name bought by Home Retail Group (Argos/Homebase), and slapped on some generic home entertainment equipment
Polaroid - Name bought and slapped on some TV's, sold in ASDA.
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Old 15-04-2013, 16:13
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It does show that Thorn owned Ferguson at the time they were making the Baird 700 and 710 series of valve colour TV sets in the '60s.
I already knew that, I was repairing Ferguson and Ultra badged Thorn sets from the early 60's (and possibly 50's for Ferguson ones?).

However, what has it got to do with Baird?.
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Old 16-04-2013, 20:07
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It is now known by the name of the University of Strathclyde, yes, but at the time it was known as Glasgow University, thus "he studied at Glasgow University".
No, you're confusing the two- the University of Glasgow (i.e. Glasgow University) and the University of Strathclyde are two separate institutions, and always have been.

The University of Glasgow has existed as a university since it was founded in 1451 (i.e. over 550 years ago(!))

The University of Strathclyde (as it became in the 1960s, after Baird's time) was previously known as the "Glasgow and West of Scotland Technical College", the "Royal Technical College" and the "Royal College of Science and Technology" at various stages.

I think you're getting them mixed up because Baird apparently studied at both institutions at various stages (and the latter apparently offered a pathway to degrees at Glasgow University before it became a uni in its own right- though I don't know if Baird followed that path, however it worked).

(I know your comment was made three years ago, but this thread is still alive and being read).
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Old 22-04-2013, 11:01
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I already knew that, I was repairing Ferguson and Ultra badged Thorn sets from the early 60's (and possibly 50's for Ferguson ones?).

However, what has it got to do with Baird?.
Baird was the brand name used by Radio Rentals since before the war, the company having started in Brighton in 1931 renting battery powered radios initially. When Thorn bought Radio Rentals in the early 1960s they acquired the Baird brand name with it and the name was used exclusively for TVs made for and rented by Radio Rentals. RR did buy other makes but didn't re-brand them. There had been factories in Bradford and Brislington, Bristol but these are long gone, just as the Enfield factory site off the Great Cambridge Road has changed dramatically since.
The Baird-branded TVs of nowadays bear no resemblance to the original Baird sets.
As Thorn owned Ferguson when the Baird 700 and 710 series colour TVs were made they did make valve colour sets as well as a long series of B&W sets under various brand names.
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Old 22-04-2013, 11:28
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http://www.brighthouse.co.uk/televis...ull-hd-led-tv/

Yikes - How f***ing much !!!

Baird, now only for customers of the infamous Weekly Payment Emporium 'Brighthouse'.

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Potential customer - Do yourself a favour and head down to the British Heart Foundation Furniture/Electrical Re-use shop, and get yourself a decent Sony Trinitron for a handful of £££, as opposed to getting fleeced.

http://www.bhf.org.uk/shop/our-local-shops.aspx
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Old 22-04-2013, 12:58
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Yep - it seems that the poorer you are the more you have to pay.
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Old 22-04-2013, 13:42
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As Thorn owned Ferguson when the Baird 700 and 710 series colour TVs were made they did make valve colour sets as well as a long series of B&W sets under various brand names.
You keep saying that - but it doesn't make it any more correct - and what has Thorn owning Ferguson got to do with pre-Thorn Baird TV's?.

If RR were renting Baird valve colour sets after Thorn had taken over RR it's much more likely that they were existing stock and existing contracts from the previous manufacturer.

I've not been able to find any circuits or manuals for the Baird sets (I tried), so can't comment on their manufacturer, other than it's unlikely to have been Thorn.

However, I did find pictures of them - and they look to be manufactured by the same company (presumably Baird?) who made the B&W sets that we sold and rented in the 50's and 60's - with the same crappy plastic round the edge of the tube that cracked.

Unfortunately my old RR mate died a couple of years ago now, so I can't ask him.
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Old 22-04-2013, 13:58
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Yep - it seems that the poorer you are the more you have to pay.
There is poor, and there is clueless.

Poor - Get a cheap 2nd hand set from BHF re-use shop for <£20-30, save up your £7/week for 1 year ==> £364.

Buy this @ £338. LG 42" FullHD LCD TV.

http://www.tesco.com/direct/lg-42cs4...skuId=330-7289

.. or similar from Asda, Amazon, Aldi...

Clueless, buy from Brighthouse.
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Old 22-04-2013, 14:01
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You keep saying that - but it doesn't make it any more correct - and what has Thorn owning Ferguson got to do with pre-Thorn Baird TV's?.

If RR were renting Baird valve colour sets after Thorn had taken over RR it's much more likely that they were existing stock and existing contracts from the previous manufacturer.

I've not been able to find any circuits or manuals for the Baird sets (I tried), so can't comment on their manufacturer, other than it's unlikely to have been Thorn.

However, I did find pictures of them - and they look to be manufactured by the same company (presumably Baird?) who made the B&W sets that we sold and rented in the 50's and 60's - with the same crappy plastic round the edge of the tube that cracked.

Unfortunately my old RR mate died a couple of years ago now, so I can't ask him.
Are you perhaps mixing up Thorn and the similar looking Thom (as in Thomson of France), who did own Fergusson at one point, though they are best known for making crummy low quality SkyHD boxes
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Old 22-04-2013, 16:47
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Are you perhaps mixing up Thorn and the similar looking Thom (as in Thomson of France), who did own Fergusson at one point, though they are best known for making crummy low quality SkyHD boxes
No, we dumped Thorn when we could see the writing was on the wall - well before they were taken over (and shut down) by Thomson.

Thorn's first colour set was the 2000 series - they never made any valve ones, the Baird sets that RR sold were probably made by Baird.
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Old 22-04-2013, 17:46
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There is poor, and there is clueless.

Poor - Get a cheap 2nd hand set from BHF re-use shop for <£20-30, save up your £7/week for 1 year ==> £364.

Buy this @ £338. LG 42" FullHD LCD TV.

http://www.tesco.com/direct/lg-42cs4...skuId=330-7289

.. or similar from Asda, Amazon, Aldi...

Clueless, buy from Brighthouse.
As the shops you mention do not allow weekly payments to be made I consider it unfair of you to label Brighthouse customers "Clueless".

They probably are unable to obtain the full amount to purchase a TV from Tesco, Asda, Amazon, Aldi... Therefore paying weekly is their only option.

So, There is poor, and then There is even poorer
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Old 22-04-2013, 19:37
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As the shops you mention do not allow weekly payments to be made I consider it unfair of you to label Brighthouse customers "Clueless".

They probably are unable to obtain the full amount to purchase a TV from Tesco, Asda, Amazon, Aldi... Therefore paying weekly is their only option.

So, There is poor, and then There is even poorer
Poster was saying instead of demanding the set 'now' they can save their weekly payments for a few weeks and get a 2nd hand set cheap or save it for a year and get a brand new one,
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Old 22-04-2013, 21:33
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Are you perhaps mixing up Thorn and the similar looking Thom (as in Thomson of France), who did own Fergusson at one point, though they are best known for making crummy low quality SkyHD boxes
Thomson didn't aquire Ferguson until the mid 1980's (possibly 1987?) so I think it's safe to say that Thomson made Fergusons never had valves in them
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Old 23-04-2013, 00:04
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Thomson didn't aquire Ferguson until the mid 1980's (possibly 1987?) so I think it's safe to say that Thomson made Fergusons never had valves in them
Yes, 1987. Source
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Old 23-04-2013, 10:17
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As the shops you mention do not allow weekly payments to be made I consider it unfair of you to label Brighthouse customers "Clueless".

They probably are unable to obtain the full amount to purchase a TV from Tesco, Asda, Amazon, Aldi... Therefore paying weekly is their only option.

So, There is poor, and then There is even poorer
Did the 'you save up your £7 weekly payment for a year", and then buy the set get past you, or did you just not read what I read properly. If you cannot save without temptation, put it into a Tesco Bank savings account, or buy some supermarket savings stamps where you'll get a small bonus too.

By doing it this way, and making do (which is the key part of the deal) with a re-use set which you can get to next to nothing, you save hundred's of pounds from getting ripped off by Brighthouse.

I had a 32" Sony Trintron that worked well, with a free freeview box and I could not get rid of it for love not money - so it ended up down the dump, going into Electrical WEEE recycle.

Like I said Clueless, if you shop @ Brighthouse.
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