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Thomson didn't aquire Ferguson until the mid 1980's (possibly 1987?) so I think it's safe to say that Thomson made Fergusons never had valves in them
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I had a Ferguson MC01 Colour TV/Monitor on my BBC Micro from around 1984/5. I'm sure it had Thomson mentioned somewhere.
I've just checked the service manual - unfortunately no date on it!
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Did the 'you save up your £7 weekly payment for a year", and then buy the set get past you, or did you just not read what I read properly. If you cannot save without temptation, put it into a Tesco Bank savings account, or buy some supermarket savings stamps where you'll get a small bonus too.
By doing it this way, and making do (which is the key part of the deal) with a re-use set which you can get to next to nothing, you save hundred's of pounds from getting ripped off by Brighthouse. I had a 32" Sony Trintron that worked well, with a free freeview box and I could not get rid of it for love not money - so it ended up down the dump, going into Electrical WEEE recycle. Like I said Clueless, if you shop @ Brighthouse. I remember TV's years ago that were fitted with coin slots, when you wanted to watch you had to insert some money or the set would not work. They were very successful at the time, with the poor anyway. I wonder why that was. Could it have had something to do with them not being able to save any money? |
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Yes I did read your post and the part you refer to did not get past me. I just dismissed it as unworkable for poor people.
I remember TV's years ago that were fitted with coin slots, when you wanted to watch you had to insert some money or the set would not work. They were very successful at the time, with the poor anyway. I wonder why that was. Could it have had something to do with them not being able to save any money? The meters were adjustable for how long you got per coin, so were adjusted to suit the customer - as long as it took the rental price each month we were happy. |
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Yes I did read your post and the part you refer to did not get past me. I just dismissed it as unworkable for poor people.
I remember TV's years ago that were fitted with coin slots, when you wanted to watch you had to insert some money or the set would not work. They were very successful at the time, with the poor anyway. I wonder why that was. Could it have had something to do with them not being able to save any money? Over the life of the equivalent weekly purchase, you would save several hundred £££, and have a better LG TV, than some Baird badged Chinese OEM job. Like I said, I had a perfectly adequate 32" Sony Trinitron with Freeview decoder, I had to dump, as there were no takers despite trying. It would have suited someone Brighthouse and their peer ilk target. Pride before a fall - Brighthouse. |
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Why is it unworkable to save £7 a week, as opposed to wasting the same £7 of money @ Brighthouse ?
Over the life of the equivalent weekly purchase, you would save several hundred £££, and have a better LG TV, than some Baird badged Chinese OEM job. Like I said, I had a perfectly adequate 32" Sony Trinitron with Freeview decoder, I had to dump, as there were no takers despite trying. It would have suited someone Brighthouse and their peer ilk target. Pride before a fall - Brighthouse. Do I really need to explain that one to you? You appear to have little comprehension as to how people who have very limited amounts of money live these days. As you seem to be reasonably intelligent, I am quite certain that you will be able to work out the answer to your question, given enough time. For now, I will agree to disagree with your point of view. |
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You keep saying that - but it doesn't make it any more correct - and what has Thorn owning Ferguson got to do with pre-Thorn Baird TV's?.
If RR were renting Baird valve colour sets after Thorn had taken over RR it's much more likely that they were existing stock and existing contracts from the previous manufacturer. I've not been able to find any circuits or manuals for the Baird sets (I tried), so can't comment on their manufacturer, other than it's unlikely to have been Thorn. However, I did find pictures of them - and they look to be manufactured by the same company (presumably Baird?) who made the B&W sets that we sold and rented in the 50's and 60's - with the same crappy plastic round the edge of the tube that cracked. Unfortunately my old RR mate died a couple of years ago now, so I can't ask him. Manuals for them were only available within RR and not released for public use, so not surprised at non-availability. Please accept that my experience with RR for over 25 years in technical and managerial roles means I have considerable knowledge and experience in this field. |
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So, as I've said all along - they were Baird sets, and NOT Thorn ones - the fact that Thorn might have owned the Baird factory didn't suddenly make Baird designed and manufactured TV's Thorn models.
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So, as I've said all along - they were Baird sets, and NOT Thorn ones - the fact that Thorn might have owned the Baird factory didn't suddenly make Baird designed and manufactured TV's Thorn models.
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Yes but Nigel doesn't like to be wrong
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Nigel, you have a very strange logic. They were made in a factory owned by Thorn, so they were Thorn-made valve colour TV sets branded Baird! Even the design work was done during the Thorn ownership era!
If they were Thorn sets, then Thorn would have sold them - but instead they designed and built their own entirely different Thorn sets. |
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I don't agree that a simple change of ownership makes a set suddenly become something it wasn't - the sets were designed by the Baird team, manufactured in the Baird factory - in my book that makes them Baird sets.
If they were Thorn sets, then Thorn would have sold them - but instead they designed and built their own entirely different Thorn sets. (Who sold it does not change who made it. Example, Stella and Cossor TVs we made at the Philips Electrical factory on Commerce Way, Croydon but sold under the Stella and Cossor brands. So they were designed and manufactured by Philips - I used to work on them as a teenager! Likewise BMC/BMH/British Leyland made Austin, Morris, Wolesley, Riley, etc in the '60s, often on the same production lines!) |
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Nigel, you may not agree but in law ownership is crucial.
Once Volkswagen started producing Volkswagen DESIGNED cars in the Skoda factory, fair enough - those WERE Volkswagens. |
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... so what were the Volkswagen-branded cars produced in Argentina in the 1980s and 1990s that were designed by Rootes/Chrysler in the 1960s then under your scheme?
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... so what were the Volkswagen-branded cars produced in Argentina in the 1980s and 1990s that were designed by Rootes/Chrysler in the 1960s then under your scheme?
But sticking a badge on a car you didn't design or manufacture is just the same as Bush etc. with Vestel. |
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Time to agree to disagree I think
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Oh Gawd :yawn:
Do I really need to explain that one to you? You appear to have little comprehension as to how people who have very limited amounts of money live these days. As you seem to be reasonably intelligent, I am quite certain that you will be able to work out the answer to your question, given enough time. For now, I will agree to disagree with your point of view. It makes no sense to buy an entry level £350 (Baird) TV from Brighthouse and their ilk at the cost of £1,000. That's madness. If you have not got, you do without, or make do with re-use.. It's called Thrift. If you can afford the £7 weekly payments, you can afford to save - Go see a Credit Union who will help, save the money, and give practical support. |
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I've no idea what they were, or what the factory producing them was - presumably they weren't the VW beetles that were made in South America for years?.
But sticking a badge on a car you didn't design or manufacture is just the same as Bush etc. with Vestel. The cars I refer to were VW 1800s, which started off as Dodge 1800s and were essentially the same car as the Hillman Avenger. Was that car a VW or not? After all, it was badged as a VW, it's design, to a point was VW (engine and facelifted bodywork) and it was manufactured in a plant that was owned by VW, and said "VW" at the entrance. The point is, it's not as black and white as you're making out. Most consumer electronics (and indeed, most cars) these days are not "pure-bred" designs -- where does a Ford stop being a Ford? The 2004 Ford Focus is essentially a Mazda design, with mostly Mazda and Peugeot engines. Is it "not a Ford"? Similarly, a Sony TV may well take its panel and associated support circuitry directly from a Samsung or Sharp design. They may have farmed off production of the power supply to some Chinese third party. At what point does that TV stop being Sony? It certainly isn't as "pure-bred" as a Sony TV from the 1970s... which will have had all Sony ICs, a PSU built by a Sony subsidiary, a Sony tube, Sony speakers etc etc. |
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Point is, you're saying that, say, the Skoda Favorit, which was Skoda-designed but with some input from VW, wasn't a VW.
The cars I refer to were VW 1800s, which started off as Dodge 1800s and were essentially the same car as the Hillman Avenger. Was that car a VW or not? After all, it was badged as a VW, it's design, to a point was VW (engine and facelifted bodywork) and it was manufactured in a plant that was owned by VW, and said "VW" at the entrance. The point is, it's not as black and white as you're making out. Most consumer electronics (and indeed, most cars) these days are not "pure-bred" designs -- where does a Ford stop being a Ford? The 2004 Ford Focus is essentially a Mazda design, with mostly Mazda and Peugeot engines. Is it "not a Ford"? Similarly, a Sony TV may well take its panel and associated support circuitry directly from a Samsung or Sharp design. They may have farmed off production of the power supply to some Chinese third party. At what point does that TV stop being Sony? It certainly isn't as "pure-bred" as a Sony TV from the 1970s... which will have had all Sony ICs, a PSU built by a Sony subsidiary, a Sony tube, Sony speakers etc etc. TV's are commodity these days, with razor thin margins - partly why Sony, Panasonic, Sharp have dumped tens of billions of ££ collectively over the last few years. I don't even think Sony make panels anymore, since selling their Panel JV stake to Samsung. http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/26/son...-with-samsung/ ... and Samsung taking a stake in ailing sharp, just to p155 Apple off I think. Apart from cheap panels, Samsung, Sharp and LG seem to be the only games in town these days. I can;t imagine a Baird LED in Brighthouse being anything special - It'll be similar to an Argos (Bush), Asda (Polaroid), Tesco (Technika) or other OEM slap a name on it. The spec's on BH's website were hardly inspiring, esp. for the steep price. ![]() http://www.brighthouse.co.uk/televis...ull-hd-led-tv/ |
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