I phone 4 not worth the money.

sensoria · 20-07-2010, 15:09

I have an Iphone 4 it is my first Iphone previouly owned a touch and have a classic.

I am left handed and have had no problem with the signal. I have had no problem with the phone. Not had a cover for it and dropped it about 4 times and still has no mark on it at all. I have one issue the email is not as quick and smart as my blackberry was.

I have loads of apps on it, all free and usefull. it takes a cracking photo. I don't quite understand the hatred. It realy does baffle me.

pocatello · 20-07-2010, 15:17

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Originally Posted by cfcblue

Fanboy alert!

Bitter envy alert! A lot of this nerd rage with apple products is just not rational. Don't like it, dont buy it. But dont be a fool pretending that apple customers don't have valid reasons for choosing those products.

ShaunIOW · 20-07-2010, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Gormond

£500 isn't that uncommon considering you get 16MB of built in storage. The Desire RRP for example is £479.99 which isn't that much cheaper and comes with less storage.

If you want the best phones on the market you will always have to pay a premium.

Nokia X6 with 16Gb is £299, also the rrp of the Desire may have been £479.99 but most people only paid £380-£400 sim free - mine will cost me £480 in total over the 2 years of my contract as it was free - iphones don't get price competition cause of price fixing.

For memory ideally I'd like 16Gb or 32Gb built-in AND a MicroSD card slot.

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Originally Posted by Gormond

It's a bit of a stretch saying its like going from XP to Windows 7, Maybe Vista to Windows 7 would be more like it.

Problem with HTC is they make far to many phones and are fast to drop support for old ones, I doubt the Desire will ever see Gingerbread as the Desire HD will be out by then.

I expect atleast 2 years support for a new smartphones with regular service packs and atleast 2 major updates as these things are sold on 24 month contracts and RRP for £500.

I'd go along with that, it does piss me off somewhat that new HTC phones are coming out while updates are taking a while to get here especially atm as there's 2 new features in 2.2 I really want.

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Originally Posted by neil79

I have not had a chance to select a case yet for my new phone but so far signal is as strong as ever and the new phone is seriously faster than my old 3G.

Select carefully - a mate has just had his iphone4 replaced after a week in a bumper as it caused scratchs and small dents/nicks in the metal surround of the phone.

Gormond · 20-07-2010, 15:37

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Not that many bother with RRP and just use mobile subsidies for a free phone. These are for now far less on the iPhone.
The memory itself is decent on the iPhone but unlike normal smartphones it is forever limited at that amount.

There is still a premium even when free and I'm guessing at £500 extra for the iPhone.

All Android phones excluding the Nexus One can only store apps on internal NAND often limited to 512MB which is a major limitation.

Also SD cards are not as fast as internal flash memory.

moox · 20-07-2010, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Gormond

All Android phones exluding the Nexus One can only store apps on internal NAND often limited to 512MB which is a major limitation.

Also SD cards are not as fast as internal flash memory.

As 2.2 rolls out (both officially and unofficially), that will be less of an issue. There are means to do it on 2.1 and older, too. I'm not sure why Google left this out and took so long to add it, tbh.

How fast is the iPhone's flash? You can get class 6 SD cards, which are 6MB/s. I think I've asked this before.

Gormond · 20-07-2010, 15:42

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Originally Posted by ShaunIOW

Nokia X6 with 16Gb is £299, also the rrp of the Desire may have been £479.99 but most people only paid £380-£400 sim free - mine will cost me £480 in total over the 2 years of my contract as it was free - iphones don't get price competition cause of price fixing.

For memory ideally I'd like 16Gb or 32Gb built-in AND a MicroSD card slot.

I can't disagree with you there, I would rather 32GB of fast internal NAND than an SD card slot but of coarse having both would be fantastic but how much bulk /cost would this add?

EDIT: Just noticed the Nokia N8 offers 16MB internal and an SD card slot which keeping bulk to 12.9mm so it can be done lol, in fact if it wasn't for Symbian the N8 would maybe be my phone of choice I really like the look and specs of it, maybe Symbian ^4 will bring it up to speed with other OSs.

GetFrodo · 20-07-2010, 15:43

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Originally Posted by Gormond

All Android phones excluding the Nexus One can only store apps on internal NAND often limited to 512MB which is a major limitation.

Also SD cards are not as fast as internal flash memory.

You forgot to mention that this is not the case with Android 2.2 which is due to be rolled out on a selection of existing phones, and can be expected to become the standard of new Android phones...

Edit: just like moox says, as it happens

Gormond · 20-07-2010, 15:45

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Originally Posted by GetFrodo

You forgot to mention that this is not the case with Android 2.2 which is due to be rolled out on a selection of existing phones, and can be expected to become the standard of new Android phones...

Yeah but most Android phones will not get this update and those that do wont get it till the end of the year.

GetFrodo · 20-07-2010, 15:52

And most iPhones can't multitask, what's your point?

moox · 20-07-2010, 15:57

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Originally Posted by GetFrodo

And most iPhones can't multitask, what's your point?

I think you mean all of them - isn't Apple's implementation of "multitasking" simply "save state and quit" except for a few chosen features like music playback and messaging which can happen in the background?

Not all of Apple's hardware gets that, though.

alanwarwic · 20-07-2010, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Gormond

All Android phones excluding the Nexus One can only store apps on internal NAND often limited to 512MB which is a major limitation.

Also SD cards are not as fast as internal flash memory.

I thought that any phone with 2.2 could store on SD.

8GB+ and SD versus 16GB and no SD?
I'm sure a majority would choose 8GB = +SD
16GB is a permanent limitation. On a phone worse than the 'no flash' limitation .

GetFrodo · 20-07-2010, 16:11

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

I thought that any phone with 2.2 could store on SD.

Well exactly. He's making out that this "major limitation" (although when most apps are well under 1Mb, 512Mb is hardly going to be a problem for most) is the rule with just one exception, omitting the minor fact that v2.2 will soon be the standard.

moox · 20-07-2010, 16:13

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Originally Posted by GetFrodo

(although when most apps are well under 1Mb, 512Mb is hardly going to be a problem for most)

To be fair, isn't the 512MB also to store the OS? I certainly don't get anywhere near 512MB free when I wipe the phone, more about 140MB.

It makes you wonder why Google left this feature out for so long, I'd have considered it something to do from the off.

Gormond · 20-07-2010, 16:51

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Originally Posted by moox

To be fair, isn't the 512MB also to store the OS? I certainly don't get anywhere near 512MB free when I wipe the phone, more about 140MB.

It makes you wonder why Google left this feature out for so long, I'd have considered it something to do from the off.

I'm currently using 2.4GB on my iPhone for apps that i use often so its quite easy to break that.

On the note of speed, the iPhone NAND reads at 20MB/s and writes at 10MB/s. The chip it uses if you care is a Samsung K9PFG08U5M with 50ns speed. The iPad uses the same chip.

sensoria · 20-07-2010, 17:00

As I have said, I have the Iphone4 and it works like a dream for me other than a slight issue with email.

Crikey I had the origanal Blackberry Storm.........you want a nightmare phone try that out.

jim_uk · 20-07-2010, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Gormond

Yeah if you like phones that feel cheaply made and plasticy then I would also recommend the desire. Good luck on getting that 2.2 update faster than the hero got it's update...

Form over function, the Desire doesn't feel plasticy at all, it also doesn't have to have a rubber wrapped around it to make it work. If the main use for a phone is to wave it about in front of friends and bore them to death with talk of apps, the WiFi's and it's bigger GBs then the iPhone is ideal, the rest of us choose a product for it can do.

Gormond · 20-07-2010, 17:21

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Originally Posted by jim_uk

Form over function, the Desire doesn't feel plasticy at all, it also doesn't have to have a rubber wrapped around it to make it work. If the main use for a phone is to wave it about in front of friends and bore them to death with talk of apps, the WiFi's and it's bigger GBs then the iPhone is ideal, the rest of us choose a product for it can do.

For the record mine works fine without a bumper, yet to have a dropped call. Many of the apps and games for the iPhone are great and I have never felt the need to wave my phone infront of friends who btw happen to use an iPhone anyway.

You also say the rest of us when the iPhone 4 outsells any other smartphone including the Desire, 3 million sales in 3 weeks.

moox · 20-07-2010, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Gormond

You also say the rest of us when the iPhone 4 outsells any other smartphone including the Desire, 3 million sales in 3 weeks.

Not hard when Apple only really has one product on the go at once (often with technology that is often outdated by release), other manufacturers have a few and like to stay ahead of the curve.

You'd be better off comparing it by OS marketshare or sales per manufacturer.

alanwarwic · 20-07-2010, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Gormond

On the note of speed, the iPhone NAND reads at 20MB/s and writes at 10MB/s..... The iPad uses the same chip.

Meaningless in that you have average speed, minimum speed and maximum speed.
An OK class 4 SD card can often quote 20 and 10. The 4 being the minimum speed.

Gormond · 20-07-2010, 17:41

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Meaningless in that you have average speed, minimum speed and maximum speed.
An OK class 4 SD card can often quote 20 and 10. The 4 being the minimum speed.

4 MB/s is not the true minimum speed, it's the minimum when the card is empty and unfragmented.

10 MB/s I quoted is also when the memory is empty and unfragmented.

alanwarwic · 20-07-2010, 17:47

Class 10 then.
Yep the minimum is almost infinite.
I have at times had to backup and format a card when things have ground to a near total halt

Soundburst · 20-07-2010, 17:56

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Originally Posted by pocatello

Bitter envy alert! A lot of this nerd rage with apple products is just not rational. Don't like it, dont buy it. But dont be a fool pretending that apple customers don't have valid reasons for choosing those products.

Amazing post.

It really isn't rational. Nerd rage is also a perfect term.

There's a lot of "nerd rage" on DS ....the ones who are most "outraged" at the call drops doesn't even have the phone. It's genuinely embaressing to see them harp on about : "antenna problems" , "dropped calls" , "can't even use it as a phone" when they don't even own the phone and then when others come on saying "I have the phone and have no problems" they are told that they must "hold it in an Apple approved way" by the ones who don't even have the phone!!!

Lmao - it's very cringe worthy.

moox · 20-07-2010, 17:58

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

...the ones who are most "outraged" at the call drops doesn't even have the phone.... when they don't even own the phone.... ones who don't even have the phone!!!

Lmao - it's very cringe worthy.

So when did you get your iPhone 4, Soundburst?

What is quite cringeworthy is trying to defend the indefensible as a non-owner. I mean, really.

Also, what is cringeworthy is telling others off for criticising a phone they don't own, but allowing praise of a phone that you don't own.

Soundburst · 20-07-2010, 18:03

I'm going by real world usage of people on here. Most on here saying it's great....I'm not one of those who don't have the phone telling others that there are massive problems even when people who OWN THE PHONE SAY OTHERWISE

Still , you justify your faux-outrage.

Soundburst · 20-07-2010, 18:06

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Originally Posted by moox

So when did you get your iPhone 4, Soundburst?

What is quite cringeworthy is trying to defend the indefensible as a non-owner. I mean, really.

Also, what is cringeworthy is telling others off for criticising a phone they don't own, but allowing praise of a phone that you don't own.

I'm not praising the phone - I'm merely pointing out what the majority who own it say. I have the OS and praise it.

I don't go on about "omg the call quality is amazing....the clarity is perfect" as I don't own the phone - it is you who is doing the opposite by constantly whining about an antenna problem you don't have

20-07-2010, 15:09	#26
sensoria Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,571	I have an Iphone 4 it is my first Iphone previouly owned a touch and have a classic. I am left handed and have had no problem with the signal. I have had no problem with the phone. Not had a cover for it and dropped it about 4 times and still has no mark on it at all. I have one issue the email is not as quick and smart as my blackberry was. I have loads of apps on it, all free and usefull. it takes a cracking photo. I don't quite understand the hatred. It realy does baffle me.

20-07-2010, 15:17	#27
pocatello Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8,622	Quote: Originally Posted by cfcblue Fanboy alert! Bitter envy alert! A lot of this nerd rage with apple products is just not rational. Don't like it, dont buy it. But dont be a fool pretending that apple customers don't have valid reasons for choosing those products.

20-07-2010, 15:32	#28
ShaunIOW Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Isle of Wight Posts: 7,828	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond £500 isn't that uncommon considering you get 16MB of built in storage. The Desire RRP for example is £479.99 which isn't that much cheaper and comes with less storage. If you want the best phones on the market you will always have to pay a premium. Nokia X6 with 16Gb is £299, also the rrp of the Desire may have been £479.99 but most people only paid £380-£400 sim free - mine will cost me £480 in total over the 2 years of my contract as it was free - iphones don't get price competition cause of price fixing. For memory ideally I'd like 16Gb or 32Gb built-in AND a MicroSD card slot. Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond It's a bit of a stretch saying its like going from XP to Windows 7, Maybe Vista to Windows 7 would be more like it. Problem with HTC is they make far to many phones and are fast to drop support for old ones, I doubt the Desire will ever see Gingerbread as the Desire HD will be out by then. I expect atleast 2 years support for a new smartphones with regular service packs and atleast 2 major updates as these things are sold on 24 month contracts and RRP for £500. I'd go along with that, it does piss me off somewhat that new HTC phones are coming out while updates are taking a while to get here especially atm as there's 2 new features in 2.2 I really want. Quote: Originally Posted by neil79 I have not had a chance to select a case yet for my new phone but so far signal is as strong as ever and the new phone is seriously faster than my old 3G. Select carefully - a mate has just had his iphone4 replaced after a week in a bumper as it caused scratchs and small dents/nicks in the metal surround of the phone.

20-07-2010, 15:37	#29
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Not that many bother with RRP and just use mobile subsidies for a free phone. These are for now far less on the iPhone. The memory itself is decent on the iPhone but unlike normal smartphones it is forever limited at that amount. There is still a premium even when free and I'm guessing at £500 extra for the iPhone. All Android phones excluding the Nexus One can only store apps on internal NAND often limited to 512MB which is a major limitation. Also SD cards are not as fast as internal flash memory.

20-07-2010, 15:39	#30
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond All Android phones exluding the Nexus One can only store apps on internal NAND often limited to 512MB which is a major limitation. Also SD cards are not as fast as internal flash memory. As 2.2 rolls out (both officially and unofficially), that will be less of an issue. There are means to do it on 2.1 and older, too. I'm not sure why Google left this out and took so long to add it, tbh. How fast is the iPhone's flash? You can get class 6 SD cards, which are 6MB/s. I think I've asked this before.

20-07-2010, 15:42	#31
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by ShaunIOW Nokia X6 with 16Gb is £299, also the rrp of the Desire may have been £479.99 but most people only paid £380-£400 sim free - mine will cost me £480 in total over the 2 years of my contract as it was free - iphones don't get price competition cause of price fixing. For memory ideally I'd like 16Gb or 32Gb built-in AND a MicroSD card slot. I can't disagree with you there, I would rather 32GB of fast internal NAND than an SD card slot but of coarse having both would be fantastic but how much bulk /cost would this add? EDIT: Just noticed the Nokia N8 offers 16MB internal and an SD card slot which keeping bulk to 12.9mm so it can be done lol, in fact if it wasn't for Symbian the N8 would maybe be my phone of choice I really like the look and specs of it, maybe Symbian ^4 will bring it up to speed with other OSs.

20-07-2010, 15:43	#32
GetFrodo Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,745	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond All Android phones excluding the Nexus One can only store apps on internal NAND often limited to 512MB which is a major limitation. Also SD cards are not as fast as internal flash memory. You forgot to mention that this is not the case with Android 2.2 which is due to be rolled out on a selection of existing phones, and can be expected to become the standard of new Android phones... Edit: just like moox says, as it happens

20-07-2010, 15:45	#33
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by GetFrodo You forgot to mention that this is not the case with Android 2.2 which is due to be rolled out on a selection of existing phones, and can be expected to become the standard of new Android phones... Yeah but most Android phones will not get this update and those that do wont get it till the end of the year.

20-07-2010, 15:52	#34
GetFrodo Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,745	And most iPhones can't multitask, what's your point?

20-07-2010, 15:57	#35
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by GetFrodo And most iPhones can't multitask, what's your point? I think you mean all of them - isn't Apple's implementation of "multitasking" simply "save state and quit" except for a few chosen features like music playback and messaging which can happen in the background? Not all of Apple's hardware gets that, though.

20-07-2010, 16:05	#36
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond All Android phones excluding the Nexus One can only store apps on internal NAND often limited to 512MB which is a major limitation. Also SD cards are not as fast as internal flash memory. I thought that any phone with 2.2 could store on SD. 8GB+ and SD versus 16GB and no SD? I'm sure a majority would choose 8GB = +SD 16GB is a permanent limitation. On a phone worse than the 'no flash' limitation .

20-07-2010, 16:11	#37
GetFrodo Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,745	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic I thought that any phone with 2.2 could store on SD. Well exactly. He's making out that this "major limitation" (although when most apps are well under 1Mb, 512Mb is hardly going to be a problem for most) is the rule with just one exception, omitting the minor fact that v2.2 will soon be the standard.

20-07-2010, 16:13	#38
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by GetFrodo (although when most apps are well under 1Mb, 512Mb is hardly going to be a problem for most) To be fair, isn't the 512MB also to store the OS? I certainly don't get anywhere near 512MB free when I wipe the phone, more about 140MB. It makes you wonder why Google left this feature out for so long, I'd have considered it something to do from the off.

20-07-2010, 16:51	#39
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by moox To be fair, isn't the 512MB also to store the OS? I certainly don't get anywhere near 512MB free when I wipe the phone, more about 140MB. It makes you wonder why Google left this feature out for so long, I'd have considered it something to do from the off. I'm currently using 2.4GB on my iPhone for apps that i use often so its quite easy to break that. On the note of speed, the iPhone NAND reads at 20MB/s and writes at 10MB/s. The chip it uses if you care is a Samsung K9PFG08U5M with 50ns speed. The iPad uses the same chip.

20-07-2010, 17:00	#40
sensoria Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,571	As I have said, I have the Iphone4 and it works like a dream for me other than a slight issue with email. Crikey I had the origanal Blackberry Storm.........you want a nightmare phone try that out.

20-07-2010, 17:18	#41
jim_uk Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Watford Posts: 12,961	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond Yeah if you like phones that feel cheaply made and plasticy then I would also recommend the desire. Good luck on getting that 2.2 update faster than the hero got it's update... Form over function, the Desire doesn't feel plasticy at all, it also doesn't have to have a rubber wrapped around it to make it work. If the main use for a phone is to wave it about in front of friends and bore them to death with talk of apps, the WiFi's and it's bigger GBs then the iPhone is ideal, the rest of us choose a product for it can do.

20-07-2010, 17:21	#42
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by jim_uk Form over function, the Desire doesn't feel plasticy at all, it also doesn't have to have a rubber wrapped around it to make it work. If the main use for a phone is to wave it about in front of friends and bore them to death with talk of apps, the WiFi's and it's bigger GBs then the iPhone is ideal, the rest of us choose a product for it can do. For the record mine works fine without a bumper, yet to have a dropped call. Many of the apps and games for the iPhone are great and I have never felt the need to wave my phone infront of friends who btw happen to use an iPhone anyway. You also say the rest of us when the iPhone 4 outsells any other smartphone including the Desire, 3 million sales in 3 weeks.

20-07-2010, 17:31	#43
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond You also say the rest of us when the iPhone 4 outsells any other smartphone including the Desire, 3 million sales in 3 weeks. Not hard when Apple only really has one product on the go at once (often with technology that is often outdated by release), other manufacturers have a few and like to stay ahead of the curve. You'd be better off comparing it by OS marketshare or sales per manufacturer.

20-07-2010, 17:34	#44
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond On the note of speed, the iPhone NAND reads at 20MB/s and writes at 10MB/s..... The iPad uses the same chip. Meaningless in that you have average speed, minimum speed and maximum speed. An OK class 4 SD card can often quote 20 and 10. The 4 being the minimum speed.

20-07-2010, 17:41	#45
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Meaningless in that you have average speed, minimum speed and maximum speed. An OK class 4 SD card can often quote 20 and 10. The 4 being the minimum speed. 4 MB/s is not the true minimum speed, it's the minimum when the card is empty and unfragmented. 10 MB/s I quoted is also when the memory is empty and unfragmented.

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20-07-2010, 17:47	#46
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Class 10 then. Yep the minimum is almost infinite. I have at times had to backup and format a card when things have ground to a near total halt

20-07-2010, 17:56	#47
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by pocatello Bitter envy alert! A lot of this nerd rage with apple products is just not rational. Don't like it, dont buy it. But dont be a fool pretending that apple customers don't have valid reasons for choosing those products. Amazing post. It really isn't rational. Nerd rage is also a perfect term. There's a lot of "nerd rage" on DS ....the ones who are most "outraged" at the call drops doesn't even have the phone. It's genuinely embaressing to see them harp on about : "antenna problems" , "dropped calls" , "can't even use it as a phone" when they don't even own the phone and then when others come on saying "I have the phone and have no problems" they are told that they must "hold it in an Apple approved way" by the ones who don't even have the phone!!! Lmao - it's very cringe worthy.

20-07-2010, 17:58	#48
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst ...the ones who are most "outraged" at the call drops doesn't even have the phone.... when they don't even own the phone.... ones who don't even have the phone!!! Lmao - it's very cringe worthy. So when did you get your iPhone 4, Soundburst? What is quite cringeworthy is trying to defend the indefensible as a non-owner. I mean, really. Also, what is cringeworthy is telling others off for criticising a phone they don't own, but allowing praise of a phone that you don't own.

20-07-2010, 18:03	#49
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	I'm going by real world usage of people on here. Most on here saying it's great....I'm not one of those who don't have the phone telling others that there are massive problems even when people who OWN THE PHONE SAY OTHERWISE Still , you justify your faux-outrage.

20-07-2010, 18:06	#50
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by moox So when did you get your iPhone 4, Soundburst? What is quite cringeworthy is trying to defend the indefensible as a non-owner. I mean, really. Also, what is cringeworthy is telling others off for criticising a phone they don't own, but allowing praise of a phone that you don't own. I'm not praising the phone - I'm merely pointing out what the majority who own it say. I have the OS and praise it. I don't go on about "omg the call quality is amazing....the clarity is perfect" as I don't own the phone - it is you who is doing the opposite by constantly whining about an antenna problem you don't have