I phone 4 not worth the money.

moox · 20-07-2010, 18:09

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it is you who is doing the opposite by constantly whining about an antenna problem you don't have

It could be argued that we are injecting some realism. There is an issue, and the fanboys and Jobs himself are trying to cover it up.

Soundburst · 20-07-2010, 18:16

"Over 3 million iPhone 4 users involved in conspiracy."

Hahahaha

Perhaps it's just a group of people getting all flustered over an issue that really isn't that big a deal to the ACTUAL OWNERS.

I must say - I own a Volkswagen but I got absolutely outraged on the Toyota Prius forum when they had the brake problems posting in massive threads with other people who didnt own a prius telling everyone they should be angry! Nah actually I didn't....because it was nothing to do with me and so I didn't care - I let those who have the car care about it.

Joshyx · 20-07-2010, 18:24

I dont have a problem with the phone. Does anybody know how i get the free case their giving away??

Ivor Biggun · 20-07-2010, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

"Over 3 million iPhone 4 users involved in conspiracy."

Hahahaha

Perhaps it's just a group of people getting all flustered over an issue that really isn't that big a deal to the ACTUAL OWNERS.

I must say - I own a Volkswagen but I got absolutely outraged on the Toyota Prius forum when they had the brake problems posting in massive threads with other people who didnt own a prius telling everyone they should be angry! Nah actually I didn't....because it was nothing to do with me and so I didn't care - I let those who have the car care about it.

So why are you vociferously trying to defend a phone you don't appear to have.

Soundburst · 20-07-2010, 18:34

I'm merely putting things in perspective by showing that a massive majority of those most outraged at iPhone 4 share one thing in common - a lack of ownership. My gripe is more with them than singing the phones praises - you see from my reading on this forums it seems if you actually own the phone you are really happy with the purchase and suffer no massive problems compared to other phones. If you don't own the phone then there are massive issues with the phone

Ivor Biggun · 20-07-2010, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

I'm merely putting things in perspective by showing that a massive majority of those most outraged at iPhone 4 share one thing in common - a lack of ownership. My gripe is more with them than singing the phones praises

But there is a problem.
As a potential corporate buyer looking for replacements for our aging handsets, I am appreciative of those that point out the problems. There is no way I wish to invest my companies money into a product that has well publicised flaws.

David Tee · 20-07-2010, 18:47

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

I'm merely putting things in perspective by showing that a massive majority of those most outraged at iPhone 4 share one thing in common - a lack of ownership. My gripe is more with them than singing the phones praises - you see from my reading on this forums it seems if you actually own the phone you are really happy with the purchase and suffer no massive problems compared to other phones. If you don't own the phone then there are massive issues with the phone

Play another record will you? The quality of debate is not contingent on having the damned thing in your possession. It helps - but only to an extent. Facts can easily be gleaned from elsewhere - or weren't you aware of that?

Ownership and experience are only part of the deal - and certainly not everything. Intelligence and objectivity, for example, can count for a fair bit more (as this debate proves only too well).

kosmos5457 · 20-07-2010, 18:49

Here is my view, it is certainly a non-issue for me at least. I've not noticed any problems regarding signal when using my iPhone 4. I do believe that the media has targetted Apple because they are a premium brand, they do get the attention of most people out there and for all these reports on the most successful product launch in Apple's history, it will surely rank their articles at the top of Google and other search engines just to increase web traffic.

It is laughable that some people come on here whinging about a phone that they don't have. Maybe a few have too much time on their hands? Not seeing too many valid arguments on here against the iPhone either so I'm not going to waste any time in answering those criticisms. The sales figures of the iPhone would also tell a lot.

David Tee · 20-07-2010, 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmos5457

Here is my view, it is certainly a non-issue for me at least. I've not noticed any problems regarding signal when using my iPhone 4. I do believe that the media has targetted Apple because they are a premium brand, they do get the attention of most people out there and for all these reports on the most successful product launch in Apple's history, it will surely rank their articles at the top of Google and other search engines just to increase web traffic.

It is laughable that some people come on here whinging about a phone that they don't have. Maybe a few have too much time on their hands? Not seeing too many valid arguments on here against the iPhone either so I'm not going to waste any time in answering those criticisms. The sales figures of the iPhone would also tell a lot.

Nobody's whinging. We're simply refuting statements put forward that say there isn't a problem.

And so far, no-one has proved us wrong with anything other a "well, it hasn't happened to me" answer. I've seen very little from the owners that actually addresses the iphone 4 problems identified by the media / tech experts. I've also seen very little from the same crowd that addresses the issue of why Apple should be allowed to get away with quite blatant deception. Curious - because you would have thought these were the very same people to whom that should matter most. No - all I hear is "I love my iphone". Pardon me if I don't take those kind of answers that seriously....

Soundburst · 20-07-2010, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmos5457

Here is my view, it is certainly a non-issue for me at least. I've not noticed any problems regarding signal when using my iPhone 4. I do believe that the media has targetted Apple because they are a premium brand, they do get the attention of most people out there and for all these reports on the most successful product launch in Apple's history, it will surely rank their articles at the top of Google and other search engines just to increase web traffic.

It is laughable that some people come on here whinging about a phone that they don't have. Maybe a few have too much time on their hands? Not seeing too many valid arguments on here against the iPhone either so I'm not going to waste any time in answering those criticisms. The sales figures of the iPhone would also tell a lot.

Unfortunately as you OWN THE PHONE your view doesn't count and 10 people who don't own the phone will be along to tell you that your opinion (with the other 99.45% owners) doesn't matter as that prevents mass-moaning as they've read about problems and thus they are a massive issue and you must be one of the minority.

P.S Did any of you guys (who also don't own a Toyota) register on the Toyota forums when the brake problems came out? We may have met there before.

Soundburst · 20-07-2010, 19:01

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Originally Posted by David Tee

Nobody's whinging. We're simply refuting statements put forward that say there isn't a problem.

And so far, no-one has proved us wrong with anything other a "well, it hasn't happened to me" answer. I've seen very little from the owners that actually addresses the iphone 4 problems identified by the media / tech experts. I've also seen very little from the same crowd that addresses the issue of why Apple should be allowed to get away with quite blatant deception. No - all I hear is "I love my iphone". Pardon me if I don't take those kind of answers that seriously....

AND???????

That's my point????. . . .AND????

You've read about it, you've posted about it. . .what more do you want? The information is there. . .buy or don't buy

People who own the phone (a very high percentage) are extremely happy with the iPhone, enjoy using it, and don't suffer the problems that the media have reported on a massive scale - why do people *need* to prove you wrong?

They're using it - it's working. . .what exactly do you want?

psionic · 20-07-2010, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Joshyx

I dont have a problem with the phone. Does anybody know how i get the free case their giving away??

Should be on Apple's website on Thursday apparently - but there'll probably have more details by tomorrow. O2 should also announce what they are going to do tomorrow evening.

alanwarwic · 20-07-2010, 19:08

I think much of the main media has only faintly touched the story.

They rely much on Apple stories for simple happy feely stuff.

moox · 20-07-2010, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

Unfortunately as you OWN THE PHONE your view doesn't count and 10 people who don't own the phone will be along to tell you that your opinion (with the other 99.45% owners) doesn't matter as that prevents mass-moaning as they've read about problems and thus they are a massive issue and you must be one of the minority.

It still isn't clear why you, as a non-owner, are whinging that other non-owners are presenting actual facts (and not those as produced by Apple) to refute the claims that the iPhone 4 is flawless and all phones are the same.

David Tee · 20-07-2010, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

You've read about it, you've posted about it. . .what more do you want?

I want to know why I'm being told two different sets of facts. One from Apple and users who say there isn't a problem and another from the media AND USERS who say there is.

And, apologies, but I'm not stupid enough to shell out £600 without resolving that issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

People who own the phone (a very high percentage) are extremely happy with the iPhone, enjoy using it, and don't suffer the problems that the media have reported on a massive scale

How it is possible that this fault can only apply to a few people? Answer: it's a universal design fault so it's IMPOSSIBLE.

Also - despite your penchant for speaking on behalf of the majority, you actually have no idea what their views are and what their experience has been.

Still, thanks for changing the record...

Soundburst · 20-07-2010, 19:13

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Originally Posted by moox

It still isn't clear why you, as a non-owner, are whinging that other non-owners are presenting actual facts (and not those as produced by Apple) to refute the claims that the iPhone 4 is flawless and all phones are the same.

All phones suffer problems when the phone is held a certain way.

It seems the iPhone can drop an extra bar or 2. . .but reading from people who own the phone and use it they don't suffer any ill-effects above and beyond their previous phones.

If you think you will suffer from problems. . . go into an Apple store and try it out as - if you suffer. . .then . . don't buy it.

Apple are so confident that their phone works just like every other phone in real world use that they offer a refund to those who feel they suffer from problems.

I mean seriously. . . people are just looking to have a moan.

Soundburst · 20-07-2010, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Tee

I want to know why I'm being told two different sets of facts. One from Apple and users who say there isn't a problem and another from the media AND USERS who say there is.

And, apologies, but I'm not stupid enough to shell out £600 without resolving that issue.

How it is possible that this fault can only apply to a few people? Answer: it's a universal design fault so it's IMPOSSIBLE.

Also - despite your penchant for speaking on behalf of the majority, you actually have no idea what their views are and what their experience has been.

Still, thanks for changing the record...

Ok, Good. So don't buy it.

No one NEEDS to buy this phone. . .it's an optional thing in your life. If you read about it (ie the tons of people who say they don't have a problem vs the minority saying they suffer from problems) and don't think it's for you then buy another brand of phone.

EDIT: One of my friends has just texted me saying she bought the new iPhone 4 with her overdraft. Uh-Oh. Reading on the internet it seems she won't be able to make any calls or texts.

I should really break the news.

Dan Sette · 20-07-2010, 19:50

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Originally Posted by David Tee

Facts can easily be gleaned from elsewhere - or weren't you aware of that?

And can just as easily be misinterpreted

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Tee

How it is possible that this fault can only apply to a few people? Answer: it's a universal design fault so it's IMPOSSIBLE.

Except it obviously isn't a universal design flaw.

I bought the iPhone 4, for various reasons. I'd been happy with a previous first (then 2nd) generation iPhone, yet wanted greater speed & capacity. I had looked at other phones, yet non appealed.

On hearing about the problem with reception, and after confirming I had 14 days to take it back if not happy (now since extended by Apple). I subsequently tried to recreate the problem. Specifically if it was faulty I didn't want the phone.

I can't. I've gripped it in both hands, I've deliberately put my finger or thumb to "short" the antennas. I've even put a key across the break (as shown in one You Tube video).

I'm no fanboy, while I like the iPhone, I wanted nothing to do with it if it didn't do what it was supposed to do. I'm certainly not going to waste money on something that is pretty, but doesn't work. I've had a whole world of experiences and problems with smart phones, and have probably gone through more than most.

However, in my case the phone is fine. It isn't perfect in that there are things on it I would like and aren't provided. (equally there are a few things on it that are there and i'll never use)

But it makes calls, plays music, runs Tomtom and in conjunction with the compass and GPS runs a navigation (sailing) programme in the waters around Britain that is very nearly the equal of a £600 dedicated chart / plotter on my boat.

But signal issues aren't one of them. In fact as reported in a respected journal, the signal strength in weaker areas is actually quite good. I can get at least one bar, most of the time at home whereas previously there was little or no chance of getting a signal - except in extremely good propagation conditions.

Perhaps it was my cool, calculating approach that worked. I can imagine some sweaty palmed enthusiast, perhaps, being a little more conductive?

Joking apart, I appear to have a working phone. It seems there are others who don't. Being purely selfish, how they chose to address that is, frankly, their problem. BUT if I were in their shoes I'd be campaigning for a new phone - or taking the offered refund. There seems little point in having a phone that doesn't do what you need.

And to address the OP's point. Worth the money? If it was free, what's the problem? Yes my phone, on contract, cost me £209. But O2 gave me £184 for my 2 year old 3G - so it only cost me £25.

neo_wales · 20-07-2010, 20:17

We should stop talking about the iphone and its inherent problems for a while and spare a thought for all the SAL's (Sad Apple Lovers) who deep down must be gutted with the new phone but their stubborn loyalty lives on. Imagine for a moment how they must feel when their perfect brand has been spoilt, publicly deflowered

So, what shall we talk about now

Dan Sette · 20-07-2010, 20:49

Erm. How about how awful the Smart Car is?

Lovely to drive - but in eighteen months of ownership the aircon has failed (£180) the clutch has gone (£570) the windscreen wipers broke (£438). The radio stopped working (£56) and the front suspension failed (£236).

I'm not even going to bother getting the headlights replaced (quoted £359) as I just replace the bulbs when they blow (every four weeks or so) or the door re-hung which has dropped and needs slamming shut. I will have to get the screen washer fixed at the next MOT (until then a water bottle will do).

Incredibly it is actually more reliable than the previous (brand new) Mercedes which has been replaced by a Land Rover Discovery.

I bought the Smart just to buzz about in, but am terrified to use it now in case something else breaks.

And you think iPhone owners have got problems.

Gormond · 20-07-2010, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Dan Sette

Erm. How about how awful the Smart Car is?

Lovely to drive - but in eighteen months of ownership the aircon has failed (£180) the clutch has gone (£570) the windscreen wipers broke (£438). The radio stopped working (£56) and the front suspension failed (£236).

I'm not even going to bother getting the headlights replaced (quoted £359) as I just replace the bulbs when they blow (every four weeks or so) or the door re-hung which has dropped and needs slamming shut. I will have to get the screen washer fixed at the next MOT (until then a water bottle will do).

Incredibly it is actually more reliable than the previous (brand new) Mercedes which has been replaced by a Land Rover Discovery.

I bought the Smart just to buzz about in, but am terrified to use it now in case something else breaks.

And you think iPhone owners have got problems.

Lol my god! I use a Toyota Aygo to zip about town in, bought new over a year ago and have had zero issues and reguarly get 50-60mpg. Doesn't gave many features but air-con and a 3.5mm jack on the stereo is all I need lol.

Dan Sette · 20-07-2010, 21:12

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Originally Posted by neo_wales

So, what shall we talk about now

Or we could touch on safe topics, like football, where there are no issues of mindless tribalism.

Dan Sette · 20-07-2010, 21:16

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Originally Posted by Gormond

Lol my god! I use a Toyota Aygo to zip about town in.

Appreciate it is seriously off topic - but Neo Wales started it.

A friend has just collected an Aygo and has extolled its virtues, looks like that'll the next little 'un for me too.

Unless, of course its plagued with faulty brakes / accelerator like every other Toyota ever made (according to the press)

Oops, in danger of sliding back on topic.

Sorry

alanwarwic · 20-07-2010, 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Sette

Erm. How about how awful the Smart Car is?

Lovely to drive - but in eighteen months of ownership the aircon .................the windscreen wipers broke (£438)..............

Just had to replace mine too.

£2.38 I think it was!!!!!!
It passed the MOT so am happy with that.

Vallhund · 20-07-2010, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by neo_wales

We should stop talking about the iphone and its inherent problems for a while and spare a thought for all the SAL's (Sad Apple Lovers) who deep down must be gutted with the new phone but their stubborn loyalty lives on. Imagine for a moment how they must feel when their perfect brand has been spoilt, publicly deflowered

So, what shall we talk about now

Something worse than SAL are the even sadder Apple Haters (SAH).

Oh dear, you mean the imaginary problems.

I will give you if you hold the phone in the wrong way it you could have a problem. Then again if you put petrol in your diesel engined car it might not like it very much.

20-07-2010, 18:09	#51
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst it is you who is doing the opposite by constantly whining about an antenna problem you don't have It could be argued that we are injecting some realism. There is an issue, and the fanboys and Jobs himself are trying to cover it up.

20-07-2010, 18:16	#52
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	"Over 3 million iPhone 4 users involved in conspiracy." Hahahaha Perhaps it's just a group of people getting all flustered over an issue that really isn't that big a deal to the ACTUAL OWNERS. I must say - I own a Volkswagen but I got absolutely outraged on the Toyota Prius forum when they had the brake problems posting in massive threads with other people who didnt own a prius telling everyone they should be angry! Nah actually I didn't....because it was nothing to do with me and so I didn't care - I let those who have the car care about it.

20-07-2010, 18:24	#53
Joshyx Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 281	I dont have a problem with the phone. Does anybody know how i get the free case their giving away??

20-07-2010, 18:30	#54
Ivor Biggun Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,036	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst "Over 3 million iPhone 4 users involved in conspiracy." Hahahaha Perhaps it's just a group of people getting all flustered over an issue that really isn't that big a deal to the ACTUAL OWNERS. I must say - I own a Volkswagen but I got absolutely outraged on the Toyota Prius forum when they had the brake problems posting in massive threads with other people who didnt own a prius telling everyone they should be angry! Nah actually I didn't....because it was nothing to do with me and so I didn't care - I let those who have the car care about it. So why are you vociferously trying to defend a phone you don't appear to have.

20-07-2010, 18:34	#55
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	I'm merely putting things in perspective by showing that a massive majority of those most outraged at iPhone 4 share one thing in common - a lack of ownership. My gripe is more with them than singing the phones praises - you see from my reading on this forums it seems if you actually own the phone you are really happy with the purchase and suffer no massive problems compared to other phones. If you don't own the phone then there are massive issues with the phone

20-07-2010, 18:45	#56
Ivor Biggun Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,036	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst I'm merely putting things in perspective by showing that a massive majority of those most outraged at iPhone 4 share one thing in common - a lack of ownership. My gripe is more with them than singing the phones praises But there is a problem. As a potential corporate buyer looking for replacements for our aging handsets, I am appreciative of those that point out the problems. There is no way I wish to invest my companies money into a product that has well publicised flaws.

20-07-2010, 18:47	#57
David Tee Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 22,520	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst I'm merely putting things in perspective by showing that a massive majority of those most outraged at iPhone 4 share one thing in common - a lack of ownership. My gripe is more with them than singing the phones praises - you see from my reading on this forums it seems if you actually own the phone you are really happy with the purchase and suffer no massive problems compared to other phones. If you don't own the phone then there are massive issues with the phone Play another record will you? The quality of debate is not contingent on having the damned thing in your possession. It helps - but only to an extent. Facts can easily be gleaned from elsewhere - or weren't you aware of that? Ownership and experience are only part of the deal - and certainly not everything. Intelligence and objectivity, for example, can count for a fair bit more (as this debate proves only too well).

20-07-2010, 18:49	#58
kosmos5457 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Anglesey Posts: 1,262	Here is my view, it is certainly a non-issue for me at least. I've not noticed any problems regarding signal when using my iPhone 4. I do believe that the media has targetted Apple because they are a premium brand, they do get the attention of most people out there and for all these reports on the most successful product launch in Apple's history, it will surely rank their articles at the top of Google and other search engines just to increase web traffic. It is laughable that some people come on here whinging about a phone that they don't have. Maybe a few have too much time on their hands? Not seeing too many valid arguments on here against the iPhone either so I'm not going to waste any time in answering those criticisms. The sales figures of the iPhone would also tell a lot.

20-07-2010, 18:57	#59
David Tee Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 22,520	Quote: Originally Posted by kosmos5457 Here is my view, it is certainly a non-issue for me at least. I've not noticed any problems regarding signal when using my iPhone 4. I do believe that the media has targetted Apple because they are a premium brand, they do get the attention of most people out there and for all these reports on the most successful product launch in Apple's history, it will surely rank their articles at the top of Google and other search engines just to increase web traffic. It is laughable that some people come on here whinging about a phone that they don't have. Maybe a few have too much time on their hands? Not seeing too many valid arguments on here against the iPhone either so I'm not going to waste any time in answering those criticisms. The sales figures of the iPhone would also tell a lot. Nobody's whinging. We're simply refuting statements put forward that say there isn't a problem. And so far, no-one has proved us wrong with anything other a "well, it hasn't happened to me" answer. I've seen very little from the owners that actually addresses the iphone 4 problems identified by the media / tech experts. I've also seen very little from the same crowd that addresses the issue of why Apple should be allowed to get away with quite blatant deception. Curious - because you would have thought these were the very same people to whom that should matter most. No - all I hear is "I love my iphone". Pardon me if I don't take those kind of answers that seriously....

20-07-2010, 18:59	#60
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by kosmos5457 Here is my view, it is certainly a non-issue for me at least. I've not noticed any problems regarding signal when using my iPhone 4. I do believe that the media has targetted Apple because they are a premium brand, they do get the attention of most people out there and for all these reports on the most successful product launch in Apple's history, it will surely rank their articles at the top of Google and other search engines just to increase web traffic. It is laughable that some people come on here whinging about a phone that they don't have. Maybe a few have too much time on their hands? Not seeing too many valid arguments on here against the iPhone either so I'm not going to waste any time in answering those criticisms. The sales figures of the iPhone would also tell a lot. Unfortunately as you OWN THE PHONE your view doesn't count and 10 people who don't own the phone will be along to tell you that your opinion (with the other 99.45% owners) doesn't matter as that prevents mass-moaning as they've read about problems and thus they are a massive issue and you must be one of the minority. P.S Did any of you guys (who also don't own a Toyota) register on the Toyota forums when the brake problems came out? We may have met there before.

20-07-2010, 19:01	#61
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by David Tee Nobody's whinging. We're simply refuting statements put forward that say there isn't a problem. And so far, no-one has proved us wrong with anything other a "well, it hasn't happened to me" answer. I've seen very little from the owners that actually addresses the iphone 4 problems identified by the media / tech experts. I've also seen very little from the same crowd that addresses the issue of why Apple should be allowed to get away with quite blatant deception. No - all I hear is "I love my iphone". Pardon me if I don't take those kind of answers that seriously.... AND??????? That's my point????. . . .AND???? You've read about it, you've posted about it. . .what more do you want? The information is there. . .buy or don't buy People who own the phone (a very high percentage) are extremely happy with the iPhone, enjoy using it, and don't suffer the problems that the media have reported on a massive scale - why do people need to prove you wrong? They're using it - it's working. . .what exactly do you want?

20-07-2010, 19:07	#62
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by Joshyx I dont have a problem with the phone. Does anybody know how i get the free case their giving away?? Should be on Apple's website on Thursday apparently - but there'll probably have more details by tomorrow. O2 should also announce what they are going to do tomorrow evening.

20-07-2010, 19:08	#63
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	I think much of the main media has only faintly touched the story. They rely much on Apple stories for simple happy feely stuff.

20-07-2010, 19:10	#64
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst Unfortunately as you OWN THE PHONE your view doesn't count and 10 people who don't own the phone will be along to tell you that your opinion (with the other 99.45% owners) doesn't matter as that prevents mass-moaning as they've read about problems and thus they are a massive issue and you must be one of the minority. It still isn't clear why you, as a non-owner, are whinging that other non-owners are presenting actual facts (and not those as produced by Apple) to refute the claims that the iPhone 4 is flawless and all phones are the same.

20-07-2010, 19:13	#65
David Tee Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 22,520	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst You've read about it, you've posted about it. . .what more do you want? I want to know why I'm being told two different sets of facts. One from Apple and users who say there isn't a problem and another from the media AND USERS who say there is. And, apologies, but I'm not stupid enough to shell out £600 without resolving that issue. Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst People who own the phone (a very high percentage) are extremely happy with the iPhone, enjoy using it, and don't suffer the problems that the media have reported on a massive scale How it is possible that this fault can only apply to a few people? Answer: it's a universal design fault so it's IMPOSSIBLE. Also - despite your penchant for speaking on behalf of the majority, you actually have no idea what their views are and what their experience has been. Still, thanks for changing the record...

20-07-2010, 19:13	#66
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by moox It still isn't clear why you, as a non-owner, are whinging that other non-owners are presenting actual facts (and not those as produced by Apple) to refute the claims that the iPhone 4 is flawless and all phones are the same. All phones suffer problems when the phone is held a certain way. It seems the iPhone can drop an extra bar or 2. . .but reading from people who own the phone and use it they don't suffer any ill-effects above and beyond their previous phones. If you think you will suffer from problems. . . go into an Apple store and try it out as - if you suffer. . .then . . don't buy it. Apple are so confident that their phone works just like every other phone in real world use that they offer a refund to those who feel they suffer from problems. I mean seriously. . . people are just looking to have a moan.

20-07-2010, 19:16	#67
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by David Tee I want to know why I'm being told two different sets of facts. One from Apple and users who say there isn't a problem and another from the media AND USERS who say there is. And, apologies, but I'm not stupid enough to shell out £600 without resolving that issue. How it is possible that this fault can only apply to a few people? Answer: it's a universal design fault so it's IMPOSSIBLE. Also - despite your penchant for speaking on behalf of the majority, you actually have no idea what their views are and what their experience has been. Still, thanks for changing the record... Ok, Good. So don't buy it. No one NEEDS to buy this phone. . .it's an optional thing in your life. If you read about it (ie the tons of people who say they don't have a problem vs the minority saying they suffer from problems) and don't think it's for you then buy another brand of phone. EDIT: One of my friends has just texted me saying she bought the new iPhone 4 with her overdraft. Uh-Oh. Reading on the internet it seems she won't be able to make any calls or texts. I should really break the news.

20-07-2010, 19:50	#68
Dan Sette Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall (at last!) Posts: 5,641	Quote: Originally Posted by David Tee Facts can easily be gleaned from elsewhere - or weren't you aware of that? And can just as easily be misinterpreted Quote: Originally Posted by David Tee How it is possible that this fault can only apply to a few people? Answer: it's a universal design fault so it's IMPOSSIBLE. Except it obviously isn't a universal design flaw. I bought the iPhone 4, for various reasons. I'd been happy with a previous first (then 2nd) generation iPhone, yet wanted greater speed & capacity. I had looked at other phones, yet non appealed. On hearing about the problem with reception, and after confirming I had 14 days to take it back if not happy (now since extended by Apple). I subsequently tried to recreate the problem. Specifically if it was faulty I didn't want the phone. I can't. I've gripped it in both hands, I've deliberately put my finger or thumb to "short" the antennas. I've even put a key across the break (as shown in one You Tube video). I'm no fanboy, while I like the iPhone, I wanted nothing to do with it if it didn't do what it was supposed to do. I'm certainly not going to waste money on something that is pretty, but doesn't work. I've had a whole world of experiences and problems with smart phones, and have probably gone through more than most. However, in my case the phone is fine. It isn't perfect in that there are things on it I would like and aren't provided. (equally there are a few things on it that are there and i'll never use) But it makes calls, plays music, runs Tomtom and in conjunction with the compass and GPS runs a navigation (sailing) programme in the waters around Britain that is very nearly the equal of a £600 dedicated chart / plotter on my boat. But signal issues aren't one of them. In fact as reported in a respected journal, the signal strength in weaker areas is actually quite good. I can get at least one bar, most of the time at home whereas previously there was little or no chance of getting a signal - except in extremely good propagation conditions. Perhaps it was my cool, calculating approach that worked. I can imagine some sweaty palmed enthusiast, perhaps, being a little more conductive? Joking apart, I appear to have a working phone. It seems there are others who don't. Being purely selfish, how they chose to address that is, frankly, their problem. BUT if I were in their shoes I'd be campaigning for a new phone - or taking the offered refund. There seems little point in having a phone that doesn't do what you need. And to address the OP's point. Worth the money? If it was free, what's the problem? Yes my phone, on contract, cost me £209. But O2 gave me £184 for my 2 year old 3G - so it only cost me £25.

20-07-2010, 20:17	#69
neo_wales Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Wales/Gran Canaria Posts: 8,298	We should stop talking about the iphone and its inherent problems for a while and spare a thought for all the SAL's (Sad Apple Lovers) who deep down must be gutted with the new phone but their stubborn loyalty lives on. Imagine for a moment how they must feel when their perfect brand has been spoilt, publicly deflowered So, what shall we talk about now

20-07-2010, 20:49	#70
Dan Sette Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall (at last!) Posts: 5,641	Erm. How about how awful the Smart Car is? Lovely to drive - but in eighteen months of ownership the aircon has failed (£180) the clutch has gone (£570) the windscreen wipers broke (£438). The radio stopped working (£56) and the front suspension failed (£236). I'm not even going to bother getting the headlights replaced (quoted £359) as I just replace the bulbs when they blow (every four weeks or so) or the door re-hung which has dropped and needs slamming shut. I will have to get the screen washer fixed at the next MOT (until then a water bottle will do). Incredibly it is actually more reliable than the previous (brand new) Mercedes which has been replaced by a Land Rover Discovery. I bought the Smart just to buzz about in, but am terrified to use it now in case something else breaks. And you think iPhone owners have got problems.

20-07-2010, 20:53	#71
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by Dan Sette Erm. How about how awful the Smart Car is? Lovely to drive - but in eighteen months of ownership the aircon has failed (£180) the clutch has gone (£570) the windscreen wipers broke (£438). The radio stopped working (£56) and the front suspension failed (£236). I'm not even going to bother getting the headlights replaced (quoted £359) as I just replace the bulbs when they blow (every four weeks or so) or the door re-hung which has dropped and needs slamming shut. I will have to get the screen washer fixed at the next MOT (until then a water bottle will do). Incredibly it is actually more reliable than the previous (brand new) Mercedes which has been replaced by a Land Rover Discovery. I bought the Smart just to buzz about in, but am terrified to use it now in case something else breaks. And you think iPhone owners have got problems. Lol my god! I use a Toyota Aygo to zip about town in, bought new over a year ago and have had zero issues and reguarly get 50-60mpg. Doesn't gave many features but air-con and a 3.5mm jack on the stereo is all I need lol.

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I phone 4 not worth the money.

20-07-2010, 21:12	#72
Dan Sette Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall (at last!) Posts: 5,641	Quote: Originally Posted by neo_wales So, what shall we talk about now Or we could touch on safe topics, like football, where there are no issues of mindless tribalism.

20-07-2010, 21:16	#73
Dan Sette Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall (at last!) Posts: 5,641	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond Lol my god! I use a Toyota Aygo to zip about town in. Appreciate it is seriously off topic - but Neo Wales started it. A friend has just collected an Aygo and has extolled its virtues, looks like that'll the next little 'un for me too. Unless, of course its plagued with faulty brakes / accelerator like every other Toyota ever made (according to the press) Oops, in danger of sliding back on topic. Sorry

20-07-2010, 21:18	#74
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by Dan Sette Erm. How about how awful the Smart Car is? Lovely to drive - but in eighteen months of ownership the aircon .................the windscreen wipers broke (£438).............. Just had to replace mine too. £2.38 I think it was!!!!!! It passed the MOT so am happy with that.

20-07-2010, 21:24	#75
Vallhund Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 5,172	Quote: Originally Posted by neo_wales We should stop talking about the iphone and its inherent problems for a while and spare a thought for all the SAL's (Sad Apple Lovers) who deep down must be gutted with the new phone but their stubborn loyalty lives on. Imagine for a moment how they must feel when their perfect brand has been spoilt, publicly deflowered So, what shall we talk about now Something worse than SAL are the even sadder Apple Haters (SAH). Oh dear, you mean the imaginary problems. I will give you if you hold the phone in the wrong way it you could have a problem. Then again if you put petrol in your diesel engined car it might not like it very much.