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Old 22-07-2010, 16:43
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Once the king of gangsta rap and westside forever now doing poppy music with Katy Perry.
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Old 22-07-2010, 16:44
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I think he has but to be honest, i have never found him that great. One of the worst so called rappers ever. Drop it like it's hot is an awful song. The only song i have ever liked from him was the remix with Robyn called Sexual seduxction. I prefer him in collabs.
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Old 22-07-2010, 16:50
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Same with Jay-Z in a way.
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Old 22-07-2010, 16:51
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He's a rapper not an anarcho-punk.
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Old 22-07-2010, 17:07
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He's still rapping, isn't he?
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Old 22-07-2010, 20:57
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For me, Snoop Dogg sold out when I saw him in an episode of Monk! Rappers should never be in comedy crime dramas. It brings their image down.
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Old 23-07-2010, 03:53
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I think Snoop sold out when he started collaborating with Pharrell Williams in ''03 on tracks like "Beautiful" and "Let's Get Blown".
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Old 23-07-2010, 05:39
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Rappers are business men at the end of the day, Snoop`s Blue Carpet Treatment was basically full of collaborations.
As far as selling out goes, I would say more like loosing your credability as a playa by asking for a part on Corrie, seriously.

Though all of the old school rappers are doing other things, Ice T is on Law and Order SUV, Ice Cube stars in Disney style films, LL Cool J is on NCIS LA.
Ice Cube is a sad case of affairs though, was great in the Friday films, but sold his sole in his family friendly movies. But at the same time releases albums talking about the street and what a bad ass he is...... your either one or the other in that game. Shame, but money talks I suppose.
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Old 07-08-2010, 01:25
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2pac would be laughing his ass off at snoop pussy puss if he was alive today.

Check out this SAD, SAD QUOTE straight from Sellout Doggs mouth "Every minute that you smoking weed you killin' your brain cells, you takin' something away from yourself, you takin' a minute off of your life that you could have been here on this earth that you could have done something special"

No wonder his music is now shit.
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Old 07-08-2010, 01:49
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It happens when your career is coming to an end. You need to sell out to remain in the spotlight. It probably won't be recognised by the same audience that the previous records were, but he just wants to keep making money.

His last album was a relative flop globally. It was his only album not to reach the top 20 in the USA (all of his others have reached the top 10 and one other number 12. This one went to 23). Similarly, it's his lowest charting CD in the UK reaching 114.

Now I read this thread, California Gurls has just finished and that one with Justin Timberlake just came on MTV Base (I hate MTV Base but I was flicking )
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Old 07-08-2010, 03:35
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No.

Hip-hop/rappers are among the most flexible of genres/artists. Most of them say right from the beginning that they are in it to "get paid", so the concept of "selling out" becomes meaningless, as they make clear from the start that they are willing to do most things for money. Snoop Dogg is a buisnessman. He has his own line of porno videos for chrissakes...doing a pop song with Katy Perry is one of the least offensive things he's done in the name of commerce. Snoop keeps pace with current trends. When he first came out, "gangsta rap" and "keeping it real" was what sold records. What sells records now is pop collaborations, so that's what he's going to do. It's always been about what sells....Snoop being regarded as an authentic "artist" when he first came out was a natural byproduct, not the prime goal.

I think a lot of rappers can get away with almost anything (compared to artists from other genres like rock, who have to be more careful about what they do) because they rarely pretend to have any sense of angst about comprimising for their "art". They'll gladly sell out and show you the money and cars they got out of it.

It's maybe not fair, but I think rappers like Snoop Dogg get a free pass for doing all the stuff they do just for the money, because they've always been so brazen and upfront about it. When I see a rock star like Iggy Pop selling insurance on crappy TV ads, I throw up a little in my mouth, because people in his genre of music have always made a much bigger show about never "selling out".
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Old 07-08-2010, 03:38
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I think the OP meant selling out in the "creative" (for want of a better word?) sense. I.e. he went from pimp-like rapper to singing in token value pop songs.
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Old 07-08-2010, 03:54
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I think the OP meant selling out in the "creative" (for want of a better word?) sense. I.e. he went from pimp-like rapper to singing in token value pop songs.
I know. And my answer is the same. He hasn't sold out. He's moved with the times. Rapping about gin and juice and drive by shootings in Compton is no longer relevant to his life anyway. He'd be a fake poesur if he still tried to rap about the stuff he used to when it was authentic. He's a multi-millionare family man now. The poppy stuff is probably more truthful to who he actually is now.

He's evolved to stay relevant. It's actually survival of the fittest in hip-hop, and Snoop Dogg is one of the great survivors. It's usually a young man's game, and the shelf life can be short. It's unsual for a hip-hop artist to stay as relevant for as long as he has (lets see if Lil Wayne is still around in 17 years. I doubt it).Snoop Dogg has effectively been around for nearly 20 years, and is still capable of scoring top 10/top 20 hits here or in America, and still regarded as a relevant collaborator by artists two generations removed from him. He may not be shifting albums by the bucketload, but it's incredible that he's still this relevant, when the majority of his peers who came out around the same time as him, have faded from view.
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Old 07-08-2010, 04:08
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But by him moving on the way he has, he's probably damaged his reputation - or at least the reputation his beloved fans have of him.

I don't like him (at all.. I think he is one of the worse "rappers" out there) but I can imagine singing with someone as poppy and girly as Katy Perry is not a positive in his fan's eyes. Then again, it seems that from his more recent release history his fans are abandoning him anyway.

He's always done features in songs, for as long as he's been around it seems, but it's always been with more associated acts - hip hop, urban, r&b etc (well, he did one with Mariah Carey) but this one with a teeny bopper like Katy Perry is like BBC Four broadcasting "Katie Price... what happened next?".

In fact, I hope this is signalling an end to the current dross released in the hip hop and R&B world. It's static. It's going nowhere, and I used to like the genres.

I'm not actually that bothered, but that's just my two pence
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Old 07-08-2010, 04:17
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I really don't think any Snoop Dogg fan is going to turn on him because he did a feature with Katy Perry. When you've been around 20 years, fans give you a bit of leeway to do what you want.

Some fans may not like his poppier direction in recent years, and may just prefer to play his "classic" material from the 90's, and choose not to support his current stuff. Snoop probably doesn't mind. But if you see what he's been doing in the last few years, the Katy Perry collab fits in with what he's been doing. At the end of the day, Snoop Dogg is relevant. That's all that matters to him. Old fans who bought his first album will not keep him relevant, so he can't waste his time catering to them.

And Katy Perry carries a surprising amount of "cred" in music circles. I think people think she's ironically kitschy, so she's taken more seriously as an artist than you would think. Kanye West is doing a collaboration with her on his new album, and he's about as serious and credible an artist as you can get.
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Old 07-08-2010, 04:17
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For me, Snoop Dogg sold out when I saw him in an episode of Monk! Rappers should never be in comedy crime dramas. It brings their image down.
I loved that episode.

Oh, and so what about Ice Cube? We have "Scary Movie 2" and "Who's Your Caddy?" Not to mention Ludacris and "So You Think You Can Dance"... Going by that logic, everyone from Eminem to Bone Thugz and even Tupac had sold out.
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Old 09-08-2010, 16:23
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I know. And my answer is the same. He hasn't sold out. He's moved with the times. Rapping about gin and juice and drive by shootings in Compton is no longer relevant to his life anyway. He'd be a fake poesur if he still tried to rap about the stuff he used to when it was authentic. He's a multi-millionare family man now. The poppy stuff is probably more truthful to who he actually is now.

He's evolved to stay relevant. It's actually survival of the fittest in hip-hop, and Snoop Dogg is one of the great survivors. It's usually a young man's game, and the shelf life can be short. It's unsual for a hip-hop artist to stay as relevant for as long as he has (lets see if Lil Wayne is still around in 17 years. I doubt it).Snoop Dogg has effectively been around for nearly 20 years, and is still capable of scoring top 10/top 20 hits here or in America, and still regarded as a relevant collaborator by artists two generations removed from him. He may not be shifting albums by the bucketload, but it's incredible that he's still this relevant, when the majority of his peers who came out around the same time as him, have faded from view.
...Oh, and so what about Ice Cube? We have "Scary Movie 2" and "Who's Your Caddy?" Not to mention Ludacris and "So You Think You Can Dance"... Going by that logic, everyone from Eminem to Bone Thugz and even Tupac had sold out.
Agree. Given Eminem's collaborated with Dido, Tupac with Elton John, Jay-Z with Beyonce and Kanye with everyone, singling out Snoop Dogg out is rather churlish. You can't expect so-called gangsta rappers to keep strictly within that tight genre when the audience have moved on and are much more diversified with their listening. At the end of the day he's still rapping.
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Old 09-08-2010, 17:54
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Crap music, crap lyrics and a crap actor as well.
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Old 09-08-2010, 19:26
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I don't think he's sold out, he's just moved on to associate himself with artists he needs to, to stay at the top of the game, and stay popular. He'll always be a legend.
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Old 10-08-2010, 11:14
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Gangster rap is dead.
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Old 10-08-2010, 11:41
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2pac would be laughing his ass off at snoop pussy puss if he was alive today.
Nah he'd be doing exactly the same thing.

People forget 2pac was just an actor (and ballet dancer!) - i always thought he was more of a fraud than anyone else.
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Old 10-08-2010, 11:43
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Yeah Gangsta rap is a tired genre, nobody ever bettered the greats like NWA and Kool G Rap imo.
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Old 10-08-2010, 11:46
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I much prefer conscious hiphop nowadays.
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Old 10-08-2010, 11:49
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Hip Hop has always been an unconventional genre, anyone that goes above it is a sellout.
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Old 10-08-2010, 11:52
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Hip hop hasn't been an underground genre for about 30 years...

And If hip hop hadn't moved beyond its New York Block party roots as a reaction to the elitism of disco, them you wouldn't have heard of it.

Unless you grew up in Brooklyn 30 years ago, and I dont believe anyone in reading this thread did.

So in conclusion, this whole thread is very silly.
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