Which pros are staying and which are going?

i am getting very confused anybody help?

Brian, Matthew and Lilia have left

Ian and Darren are staying and some new pros are coming into the dance troupe

I doubt we'll know 100% now until the line up is officially announced, but from what I gather:

Male Pro's Competing:

Artem
Jared
Robin
Anton
Brendan
James
Vincent

Female Pros Competing:

Ola
Flavia
Erin
Kristina
Natalia
Katya
Aliona

Dance Troupe:

Ian
Darren

They'll be joined by 4 new recruits for the troupe; one more male and three females.

Pros that are leaving:

Brian
Lilia
Matthew



At least, that's the way I have it, but I'm also a bit confused. LOL.

Anton, James, Brendan, Vincent, Erin, Ola, Katya, Flavia, Kristina, Aliona and Natalie are returning as competing
professionals Along with the new boys; Jared, Artem and Robin.

I can't believe Ian isn't getting a celeb this year He always seemed like such a good teacher and had a great rapport with his slebs. It makes no sense at all to me

I totally agree. It's utter madness

Ian and Matthew aren't competing, those new pros better be tall or the female contestant may all have to be small.

Seriously though they got rid of or have lost three of the best male teachers, and left James, Brendan and Vincent, who's ego are the size of Mount Everest and are all part of the reason very talented women they were partnered with didn't win.

ian's stood out for me as a good teacher - isn't his mum a dance teacher also?

i think lilia's been unlucky with the last two celebs she's had - i can't blame her at all for not wanting to return - the money's good but it's not that goof

Seriously? Cherie, Zoe and Gabby have all said that James is a very good, patient and lovely teacher. So I don't honestly get where you are coming from. Every partner Vincent has had has complimented his teaching, his patience and his general lovelyness.

I have been taught by Vincent in workshops at events, and both he (and Flavia) are exactly how they are described by their partners on Strictly. Vincent is very patient and will take the time to help you with something you're struggling with, something that not a lot of the pro's do in event workshops.

Vincent is not ego-tistic, everything he does is out of context. He doesn't take himself seriously and the "ego the size of mount everest" is total bulls**t! He's a total sweetheart!

Though I've never met Brendan I have heard that he is lovely, and not anything like he is portrayed on tv.

Slagging off the other male professionals is totally un-called for!

Im suprise Anton isnr going to be just in the dance troup for his ballroom his latin isnt good enough to compete with the others

Yet they all exited early, the one common denominator - James Jordan. Four years running he's exited early that's not the choice of partner, or the judges overmarking, it's him.


Vincent may be lovely, but he comes over as having a huge ego, and when 'everything' is taken out of context, it's got context. And he's been paired with two of the best dancers ever on Strictly and he didn't win.

Vincent, James and Brendan maybe sweethearts who help old ladies across the road, but if I was a female celeb doing Strictly I would want it written into my contract I wasn't paired with any of them.

If you had seen the recent Pro Tour you would know that James and Vincent are absolutely PHENOMENAL dancers, and very warm, lovely people. I have no doubt that the same goes for Brendan. Just because neither of them have won Strictly yet doesn't make them bad teachers. The voting public has all manner of reasons why they vote for one couple over another. All of their celebrity partners have sung their praises, and there's no need whatsoever to criticise their skills - for no apparent reason other than an excuse to be horrible! Everyone has their favourites but doesn't give you reason to bad-mouth others that you don't like.

Who's to say anyone else would have gotten them any further?



He has done in the past, but he doesn't anymore. He's JOKING!! You can see it in his body language and the fact he's LAUGHING at the time.

Rachel was easily the best dancer, but the best dancers never win. She won on tour, and Tom didn't. Tom was the worst dancer of the final three and yet he won the main show.

With Louisa, in the dance off in the Quarter final she was up against Emma, who was the judges favourite. Therefore Louisa was eliminated. The same thing happened to Austin with Lisa!

It has nothing to do with Vincent! If Louisa had Darren the dynamic of the relationship wouldn't have worked, as Vincent and Louisa bounced off each other. If Rachel would have had Darren we wouldn't have seen the chemistry she had with Vincent, as I wouldn't think Darren would have choreographed anything as technically demanding as Vincent did. The only time Darren did something like that was with Jill, in the final Jive.

James has gone out early in all four series, granted but he has never gone out first. He has always defended his partner, always tried to get the best out of them. He has his faults yes, but doesn't everyone? Not everything is as black and white as you seem to make out.

If you think that it's James and Vincent's fault re their partners, how would you explain how some of the most "popular" professionals have been eliminated in the first few weeks of the series whereas even Brendan with the ego of mount everest took Jo Wood further in the competition?

I don't like slagging off other professionals because I'm good friends with fans of other professionals, but when people start laying in to other professionals for the sake of it it really p***es me off.

I'm not having a go at Darren or any other of the professionals who have left or been "demoted" so to speak. But honestly nasty and vindictive posts like that are uncalled for. I get the fact you don't like James, Brendan or Vincent, but many people do. Please respect their opinions rather than slagging them off!

I'm quite prepared to believe that James, Vincent and Brendan are "sweethearts who help old ladies across the road" in real life, but you can't deny that their screen personas are not like that at all. And that is important, because my feeling is that the producers have 'demoted' the 'nice' pro's and kept the more fiery/controversial/prepared-to-act-up-to-the-producers'-agenda ones. I suspect the producers feel they make better telly, and therein lies their basic mistake.
They have alienated many core viewers in their quest to win new ones, by a tactic unlikely to work anyway.

Would you say the way Brian came across on Dancing on Wheels was nice?

Well in the last 3 series he and his partner have been voted out by the judges not the public.

Granted they were in the bottom 2 after the scores were combined - but i wouldn't mind betting that in at least 2 of the 3 dance offs James and X would have stayed on the scores alone...

James & Gabby vs Ian and Penny - I am pretty sure that James and Gabby finished up 2nd from bottom...

James and Cherie vs Brendan & Lisa - again pretty sure that Brendan and Lisa were bottom... they weren't popular with the public but the judges loved them...

James & Zoe.... not quite sure why the judges booted them off ...

But I stand by my assertion that its the JUDGES who want JJ out - no matter how good his partnership is.... the only way round it is to do a Chris Hollins and stay out of the dance off and not let the judges get at him...

Fair cop, Brian showed a much less 'nice' personality on DoW.

But that wasn't SCD itself, and afaik it didn't get anywhere near the viewing figures of SCD. So as far as the SCD producers are concerned, as well as most of the SCD viewers, he'd fall into the 'nice' category rather than the fiery/controversial/mean category. And I still think that was a big factor in who was offered competitive roles and who was offered the troupe.

And I wouldn't say that Vincent would fall into the fiery/controversial/mean category either. Or James for that matter. Or Brendan now.

In the past yes James has been portrayed as "mean" by the producers, but he wasn't mean to any of his dance partners. He has been fiery at times, but hasn't everyone?

I don't have much to say that La_Passione and Josephine21 haven't already said, because they've summed up the truth beautifully.

But I had to reply myself as well. How DARE you post such a disgusting insult on a public forum about someone you've never met, or if you have clearly have no respect for at all. If someone said you had an ego the size of Mount Everest I am sure you would take offence, so do not post such a horrible thing about someone else. It's almost irrelevant that it's untrue, it's the sheer ill-mannered and downright disrespectful nature of your post that galls me. Yes, this is a public forum and within reason you can say what you like, but that doesn't include slander on someone without any good reason I'll admit to having made mistakes in wording on here, I know it's easily done and things can be misinterpreted, but I retracted what I said when it was pointed out to me, which I see you have not done despite the rudeness of your post being pointed out several times already.

I would be very interested to know if you've ever met Vincent, James or Brendan. I've met the first two, and can truthfully say they are both lovely people who go beyond what is necessary for their fans and speak very highly of their celeb partners, as their partners speak highly of them. Yes, Vincent can be a little hard to bear if you don't like his sense of humour, but to be as pedantic as 'if everything is taken out of context then it has context', when clearly the intent of the original post was not that every single word Vincent ever says is taken out of context.... It's his personality to be like that onscreen, some people find it endearing, others don't, but no-one is ever universally liked. And by taking things out of context, of course, the editing on Strictly is also to blame, for example with James in series 4. No-one is saying that the aforementioned pros are completely perfect, no-one is. But to call them egotistical without any solid basis other than what you see on a show that is edited for entertainment purposes is pure ignorance in my opinion, as no-one knows what really goes on in any given situation (training rooms etc), unless you were actually there. I can comment on Vincent and James because I have been in face-to-face situations with them both, otherwise it's not really my place to comment on their personalities at all.

I'll not go on about James' record because it has already been pointed out. But i will say one thing. Not all the pros will ever be equally popular, and popularity fluctuates. It is also of course down to the celeb they get, as the relationship between partners is an important part of the atmosphere of the dance and the amusement from training footage, but not all the pros will ever have the same size of fanbase. That shouldn't disqualify them from being on the show, they all still have a lot of fans. James is not an inferior dancer or choreographer to any of the others, it's just a question of personal taste as to which choreographer you prefer, and you form your own hierarchy. That is no reason to turn this debate into an insult parade, none of the pros deserve that, and if you think they do then that's really quite sad.

People will argue he was mean to Georgina, and he has admitted openly to having a very bad day where they had a blazing row. But fact was that she couldn't be bothered to do the show, and that must be incredibly frustrating - if it had been any of the other pro dancers partnering her, I'm sure they would have exploded too.

And yes, I agree that everyone has been fiery - look and Chris and Ola, amazing partnership, get on famously, still in touch frequently with each other - but she was often very vocal in their training! It was nothing to do with liking or disliking her partner. As she said on ITT once, she's there to do a job of teaching a celebrity to dance as best as they can, and she has to do whatever it takes to get the best performance out of them

Mystical 123, you are a STAR!!!!

Well said! I totally agree with you.

I am tired of the 'armchair dancers' constantly insulting some of the professional dancers; either for their dancing, their choreography, or their personalities.

Or how about insulting the skill of a dancer that you have never seen taken a step on SCD such as some of the comments regarding the new pros.

No one has insulted their personalities, dancing ability can be judged at least in part by video, and expressing uneasiness at their credentials is totally different to insulting someone by calling them egotistical. For my part, I haven't written them off completely, but I'll be supporting the pros who were already my favourites, and I am very uneasy about the credentials of the new pros and how they fit into a ballroom and Latin-based Strictly - I don't want gimmicks and other dance genres, which some of the new pros seem to have more experience in than the traditional 10 Dances!

Mystical - that is a fair assessment. I have read some others that to me do not seem fair.

So you keep Aliona, Katya and Natalie and get rid of Matthew, Ian and Lilia in order to boost the ratings of SCD. So will the suits at the BBC who came up with this brilliant idea get the boot if the ratings fall for the next SCD, which I predict they definitely will.