As if.
Caroline Cook.
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Originally Posted by DoctorDave:
“...and very good you looked,too! One of the real problems highlighted by Seth's piece was the small matter of start up and running costs, because the topography of North Devon in order to maximise potential advertising revenue and such station will need to have an aerial site, and a transmitter capable of serving Barnstaple, Bideford and at a push Torrington as well as the valley up to Ilfracombe. With start up costs, premises, a low wage economy and an uncertain future for not only some of the industry in the area, as well as the doubts about future of RNB Chivenor, I can't help but wonder whether the same sort of entrepreneurial optimism that led to and sustained Lantern FM in its early days is still out there waiting to be tapped.
I do wish all the interested parties well, and there's no deliberate attempt to rain on your parade, it's just that I really do doubt whether another commercial station is viable in the area, especially given the amount of advertising that. for example Exeter FM is managing to draw in from a somewhat more prosperous area 'down south'”
“...and very good you looked,too! One of the real problems highlighted by Seth's piece was the small matter of start up and running costs, because the topography of North Devon in order to maximise potential advertising revenue and such station will need to have an aerial site, and a transmitter capable of serving Barnstaple, Bideford and at a push Torrington as well as the valley up to Ilfracombe. With start up costs, premises, a low wage economy and an uncertain future for not only some of the industry in the area, as well as the doubts about future of RNB Chivenor, I can't help but wonder whether the same sort of entrepreneurial optimism that led to and sustained Lantern FM in its early days is still out there waiting to be tapped.
I do wish all the interested parties well, and there's no deliberate attempt to rain on your parade, it's just that I really do doubt whether another commercial station is viable in the area, especially given the amount of advertising that. for example Exeter FM is managing to draw in from a somewhat more prosperous area 'down south'”
You're right it will be a tough market to crack. Having worked at Lantern FM for 13 years, 8 of those as a sales exec and at Orchard FM for 2 I know that Lantern/Heart North Devon was in fact a profitable site. My wife worked as sales office coordinator for 10 yrs and was one of those who was made redundant, without chance to apply for another role.
Each month Heart North Devon writes about £50k of local revenue, the majority of which comes from Barnstaple. That town carries the weight of burden of advertising in order for the whole of North Devon to have been covered
Having been to an event to day as Network North Devon, if I could capture and bottle the enthusiasm from the crowds and give it to OFCOM I would.
Its a long long road, but I and thse who work wanting to work with me and prepared to travel
Too many people to knock us back - no one can complain we didnt try. Far too many people are prepared too sit on the behinds and say it will never work
I know Doctor Dave you mean well and its taken that way. I often refer to tjhe fact tha in Exeter , the listeners do have a choice, Heart Devon, Exeter FM and Phonic
We have no choice in North Devon - in fact Heart Devon have the commercial radio monopoly here. But I thought OFCOM didnt like monopolies.
Can some explain the guidelines please.....
Originally Posted by Mark C:
“Oh, in that case I take back my point. I can't open the Westcountry TV report for some reason so I didn't see the mention, so good for them for pointing out their own very similar rationalisation.”
“Oh, in that case I take back my point. I can't open the Westcountry TV report for some reason so I didn't see the mention, so good for them for pointing out their own very similar rationalisation.”
That's OK. Didn't mean it to come out the way it did. Sorry
Nick Pandolphi just signed off from Heart Suffolk saying he was off to a new station after 3.5years....
Originally Posted by Bundyman:
“The supporters & Global say "it doesn't matter", but they seem afraid of admitting to listeners on air where the show is actually originating from.”
“The supporters & Global say "it doesn't matter", but they seem afraid of admitting to listeners on air where the show is actually originating from.”
It's no secret.
The information is clearly stated on the Public File of each Heart website.
Originally Posted by Joey Deacon:
“It's no secret.
The information is clearly stated on the Public File of each Heart website.”
“It's no secret.
The information is clearly stated on the Public File of each Heart website.”
Hardly clearly stated ...it is hidden away they want people to still think shows are local as they try to make the network shows sound a little more local by having recorded audio from the network presenter .......Toby might mention an event that happened locally with the photos on the website.
cheap and clever way to fool...
Originally Posted by Joey Deacon:
“It's no secret.
The information is clearly stated on the Public File of each Heart website.”
“It's no secret.
The information is clearly stated on the Public File of each Heart website.”
Please highlight when the public file or its contents is or have ever been referred to on air. Pointing the average listener to its existence?
Clearly your idea if information is similar to that of the Vogons planning permission in the Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy when creating the interplanetery bypass.
Originally Posted by David Butts:
“Hardly clearly stated...”
“Hardly clearly stated...”
Seems quite clear to me...
6. The amount of local programming per day produced by the station.
Heart’s weekday daytime output (0600-1000) and (1600-1900) and peak time weekend (0800-1200 Saturday and Sunday) output is produced and presented from our studios in Bristol with the exception of Toby Anstis, Neil Bentley, Nick Snaith, Simon Dale and Matt Wilkinson which is produced at various studios, owned and operated by Heart’s parent company Global Radio.
Off peak programming (Matt Wilkinson, Simon Beale, Gareth John, Paul Hayes, Nicola Bonn, Paul Hollins, Hit40uk) is produced at various studios, owned and operated by Heart's parent company Global Radio.
Club Classics on a Friday and Saturday night is partly pre recorded and automated programming broadcast from our studios in London.
Originally Posted by Joey Deacon:
“Seems quite clear to me...
6. The amount of local programming per day produced by the station.
Heart’s weekday daytime output (0600-1000) and (1600-1900) and peak time weekend (0800-1200 Saturday and Sunday) output is produced and presented from our studios in Bristol with the exception of Toby Anstis, Neil Bentley, Nick Snaith, Simon Dale and Matt Wilkinson which is produced at various studios, owned and operated by Heart’s parent company Global Radio.
Off peak programming (Matt Wilkinson, Simon Beale, Gareth John, Paul Hayes, Nicola Bonn, Paul Hollins, Hit40uk) is produced at various studios, owned and operated by Heart's parent company Global Radio.
Club Classics on a Friday and Saturday night is partly pre recorded and automated programming broadcast from our studios in London.”
“Seems quite clear to me...
6. The amount of local programming per day produced by the station.
Heart’s weekday daytime output (0600-1000) and (1600-1900) and peak time weekend (0800-1200 Saturday and Sunday) output is produced and presented from our studios in Bristol with the exception of Toby Anstis, Neil Bentley, Nick Snaith, Simon Dale and Matt Wilkinson which is produced at various studios, owned and operated by Heart’s parent company Global Radio.
Off peak programming (Matt Wilkinson, Simon Beale, Gareth John, Paul Hayes, Nicola Bonn, Paul Hollins, Hit40uk) is produced at various studios, owned and operated by Heart's parent company Global Radio.
Club Classics on a Friday and Saturday night is partly pre recorded and automated programming broadcast from our studios in London.”
But hidden from normal types (people are not going to fall over this on the site)and hidden on air...as it clearly is.
Originally Posted by David Butts:
“But hidden from normal types (people are not going to fall over this on the site)and hidden on air...as it clearly is.”
“But hidden from normal types (people are not going to fall over this on the site)and hidden on air...as it clearly is.”
Oh for God sake! Why don't you go away and find me a radio station that publishes details of it's automated and networked programming anywhere other than on it's public file? This is no great Global cover-up - they are doing exactly the same as any other radio station in the country, but of course it's not so convenient to be balanced in your posts when any excuse to try and bash Heart is the clear agenda.
And as for being hidden on air - surely the whole point of successful and technically competent networking is that the punters don't know. Or maybe you think there ought to be a public service style announcement at the beginning of each networked show.....even if there was 99% of listeners still couldn't give a s**t!!!
Originally Posted by David Butts:
“But hidden from normal types (people are not going to fall over this on the site)and hidden on air...as it clearly is.”
“But hidden from normal types (people are not going to fall over this on the site)and hidden on air...as it clearly is.”
David, come off it.
What do you seriously want Heart to do?
If any listener really cared where the presenter she was listening to was sitting, she'd find the info within two minutes on the Heart website in the "About Us" section.
It is clear, transparent and honest - much more so than we were back in the GWR days when presenters routinely lied on air and said things to the effect that Graham Torrington was "getting ready in the next studio with Late Night Love".
As I recall, it took large fines and lots of regulatory pressure to admit that half the contests that we did were "across the Mix network" (whatever that phrase meant to the listener) rather than truly local!
Originally Posted by Joey Deacon:
“David, come off it.
If any listener really cared where the presenter she was listening to was sitting, she'd find it within two minutes on the Heart website.
It certainly is clear, transparent and honest - much more so that we were back in the GWR days.”
“David, come off it.
If any listener really cared where the presenter she was listening to was sitting, she'd find it within two minutes on the Heart website.
It certainly is clear, transparent and honest - much more so that we were back in the GWR days.”
Back then we had koko.com (remember that?!) where users would select their local station from a map. Well it's the same today with Heart.
Originally Posted by boywonder:
“Back then we had koko.com (remember that?!) where users would select their local station from a map. Well it's the same today with Heart.”
“Back then we had koko.com (remember that?!) where users would select their local station from a map. Well it's the same today with Heart.”
I do indeed, yeah!
"On our website at koko.com that's kay oh kay oh dot com"!
Now THAT was a nightmare!
Tell me about it. Plus back then there was no public file so there was no way of logging on to see if their local station is networked and where their favourite presenters were coming from!
Originally Posted by Joey Deacon:
“I do indeed, yeah!
"On our website at koko.com that's kay oh kay oh dot com"!
Now THAT was a nightmare!”
“I do indeed, yeah!
"On our website at koko.com that's kay oh kay oh dot com"!
Now THAT was a nightmare!
”
Maybe one GWR everone can agree on.
someone must have been on tippex to come up with that farce.
Originally Posted by mbessex:
“Maybe one GWR everone can agree on.
someone must have been on tippex to come up with that farce.”
“Maybe one GWR everone can agree on.
someone must have been on tippex to come up with that farce.”
Haha, yes.
www.koko.com looked good on paper.
But not good for radio.
Another new song that I wouldn't expect Heart to play, that I heard on local Heart Kent this morning was Ne-Yo, Beautiful Monster.
What next Flo Rida, Club Cant Handle Me?!?!
What next Flo Rida, Club Cant Handle Me?!?!
[quote=Joey Deacon;43656644]David, come off it.
What do you seriously want Heart to do?
If any listener really cared where the presenter she was listening to was sitting, she'd find the info within two minutes on the Heart website in the "About Us" section.
/QUOTE]
Many people do care and naturally assume that the presenter is in the area that the station broadcasts....as the history of the station dictates.
Global choose not to shout about the fact that most of their shows come live from L square .
I know where radio 2 is ... not becasue they tell me but because it has always been a national service...... an air of deceit surrounds the way that global choose to do things ....
What do you seriously want Heart to do?
If any listener really cared where the presenter she was listening to was sitting, she'd find the info within two minutes on the Heart website in the "About Us" section.
/QUOTE]
Many people do care and naturally assume that the presenter is in the area that the station broadcasts....as the history of the station dictates.
Global choose not to shout about the fact that most of their shows come live from L square .
I know where radio 2 is ... not becasue they tell me but because it has always been a national service...... an air of deceit surrounds the way that global choose to do things ....
[quote=David Butts;43673894]
But do you know which Radio 2 shows are pre recorded and which ones come from a home studio and which ones are live?
As long as you're producing something that people want to listen to and you're giving them the information and entertainment that they want they won't care.
You could tell people that the shows come from London, some may be suprised but they won't suddenly stop listening if they already enjoy that show or that station.
Originally Posted by Joey Deacon:
“David, come off it.
What do you seriously want Heart to do?
If any listener really cared where the presenter she was listening to was sitting, she'd find the info within two minutes on the Heart website in the "About Us" section.
/QUOTE]
Many people do care and naturally assume that the presenter is in the area that the station broadcasts....as the history of the station dictates.
Global choose not to shout about the fact that most of their shows come live from L square .
I know where radio 2 is ... not becasue they tell me but because it has always been a national service...... an air of deceit surrounds the way that global choose to do things ....”
“David, come off it.
What do you seriously want Heart to do?
If any listener really cared where the presenter she was listening to was sitting, she'd find the info within two minutes on the Heart website in the "About Us" section.
/QUOTE]
Many people do care and naturally assume that the presenter is in the area that the station broadcasts....as the history of the station dictates.
Global choose not to shout about the fact that most of their shows come live from L square .
I know where radio 2 is ... not becasue they tell me but because it has always been a national service...... an air of deceit surrounds the way that global choose to do things ....”
But do you know which Radio 2 shows are pre recorded and which ones come from a home studio and which ones are live?
As long as you're producing something that people want to listen to and you're giving them the information and entertainment that they want they won't care.
You could tell people that the shows come from London, some may be suprised but they won't suddenly stop listening if they already enjoy that show or that station.
[quote=Phillip Swift;43674035]
And what of those many thousands of people who choose their local ILR becasue it offers a local service....it is not as local as it was and yet global seem worried in telling it as it is ...let the market choose but give them the facts
Originally Posted by David Butts:
“
But do you know which Radio 2 shows are pre recorded and which ones come from a home studio and which ones are live?
As long as you're producing something that people want to listen to and you're giving them the information and entertainment that they want they won't care.
You could tell people that the shows come from London, some may be suprised but they won't suddenly stop listening if they already enjoy that show or that station.”
“
But do you know which Radio 2 shows are pre recorded and which ones come from a home studio and which ones are live?
As long as you're producing something that people want to listen to and you're giving them the information and entertainment that they want they won't care.
You could tell people that the shows come from London, some may be suprised but they won't suddenly stop listening if they already enjoy that show or that station.”
And what of those many thousands of people who choose their local ILR becasue it offers a local service....it is not as local as it was and yet global seem worried in telling it as it is ...let the market choose but give them the facts
It is not caring. But some people still are surprised when I tell them Toby Anstis is not in a studio off the Bedford bypass.
Or that the Breakfast show is going to be in Milton Keynes.
Outside of us anoraks, they do believe that the frequency which was Chiltern is the local radio station. It is still a surprise to them to find it is a quasi-national one.
Heart of course market in a clever way to back the local image. Posters with the local frequency. It will be interesting if/when they do a new bus shelter campaign. Will it be Heart 96.9, will it still use the Bedford name. I doubt it will use the Home Counties name on a shelter. Too close to Three Counties, and yes some in the general public will see Three Counties and Home Counties and you know they will confuse the brands.
Or that the Breakfast show is going to be in Milton Keynes.
Outside of us anoraks, they do believe that the frequency which was Chiltern is the local radio station. It is still a surprise to them to find it is a quasi-national one.
Heart of course market in a clever way to back the local image. Posters with the local frequency. It will be interesting if/when they do a new bus shelter campaign. Will it be Heart 96.9, will it still use the Bedford name. I doubt it will use the Home Counties name on a shelter. Too close to Three Counties, and yes some in the general public will see Three Counties and Home Counties and you know they will confuse the brands.
Originally Posted by tim raffield:
“Another new song that I wouldn't expect Heart to play, that I heard on local Heart Kent this morning was Ne-Yo, Beautiful Monster.
What next Flo Rida, Club Cant Handle Me?!?!”
“Another new song that I wouldn't expect Heart to play, that I heard on local Heart Kent this morning was Ne-Yo, Beautiful Monster.
What next Flo Rida, Club Cant Handle Me?!?!”
Both great songs, and Ne -Yo sounds great on Heart, I'm pleased they've mixed it up a bit sounds fresh.
Originally Posted by johnny radish:
“Both great songs, and Ne -Yo sounds great on Heart, I'm pleased they've mixed it up a bit sounds fresh.”
“Both great songs, and Ne -Yo sounds great on Heart, I'm pleased they've mixed it up a bit sounds fresh.”
Heart's music is always evolving yet the bashers fail to acknowledge that.
[quote=David Butts;43674101]
They must like what they are hearing though although they wouldn't be listening. I refuse to believe that thousands of people will choose to listen to something they don't like just because its broadcast from down the road. I can believe they want travel information and local news but they're still getting that. These licences have not been what you could call "full service" for a very long time.
Like I said people may be suprised to hear that Nick Snaith is not sitting in the studio up the road he's in London but it will not stop them listening. If they wanted masses of local content they'd have stopped listening to these stations years ago. If they listen now and love it they'll keep listening.
Originally Posted by Phillip Swift:
“
And what of those many thousands of people who choose their local ILR becasue it offers a local service....it is not as local as it was and yet global seem worried in telling it as it is ...let the market choose but give them the facts”
“
And what of those many thousands of people who choose their local ILR becasue it offers a local service....it is not as local as it was and yet global seem worried in telling it as it is ...let the market choose but give them the facts”
They must like what they are hearing though although they wouldn't be listening. I refuse to believe that thousands of people will choose to listen to something they don't like just because its broadcast from down the road. I can believe they want travel information and local news but they're still getting that. These licences have not been what you could call "full service" for a very long time.
Like I said people may be suprised to hear that Nick Snaith is not sitting in the studio up the road he's in London but it will not stop them listening. If they wanted masses of local content they'd have stopped listening to these stations years ago. If they listen now and love it they'll keep listening.
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