Judging by most of the suggested tracks people on here are coming up with I can understand why Heart stick to the knitting; I wouldn't expect the likes of Nik Kershaw or The Saturdays to work with their audience.
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Originally Posted by digiwigi:
“Judging by most of the suggested tracks people on here are coming up with I can understand why Heart stick to the knitting; I wouldn't expect the likes of Nik Kershaw or The Saturdays to work with their audience.”
“Judging by most of the suggested tracks people on here are coming up with I can understand why Heart stick to the knitting; I wouldn't expect the likes of Nik Kershaw or The Saturdays to work with their audience.”
As I am the poster who suggested them,you're probably right. I know I'm wasting my time and none of the artists I have suggested are ever going to make it on to the Heart playlist,and neither are any of the other artists suggested by other people on this thread.
Heart is going to continue with the same tried and tested relentless formula which I and many others find infuriating at times with its extremely limited playlist of Ezra,Sheeran,Goulding,Legend and Smith,plus a few oldies sprinkled over the top,which will always be the same ones,because they're the ones that people like.
I would never choose to listen to Heart,I think it's probably the least interesting station I've ever listened to. I listen to it only because there is nothing else where we are on FM,except maybe Forth One,and sometimes that's just as bad as Heart.
But there seem to be plenty people who for some strange reason like listening to the same records all the time. And so long as Heart's RAJAR figures remain high nothing is going to change.
I am going to retire from this thread now because there is really little more I can say that I have not said already.
It worked on real radio it basically played what heart does now but with more depth it played the nik kershaw tunes often with other rarer 80s artists no problem.
Not even any rick astley, or chesney hawkes on heart, real had these on no probs, for a nice bit of cheese, it was same with the Indy you used to get a few bands in razorlight, the kooks, oasis, and not just don't look back in anger, like now on time tunnel, used to play whatever, live forever, basically there was just more musical depth and better for it.
But like others have said heart do the research and seem to have a winning formula, just could be a lot better.
Atomic kitten whole again does get played all be at just in the 2001 time tunnel.
Same with girls aloud call the shots although I've heard this on normal playlist.
I am a proper radio geek.☺️
Not even any rick astley, or chesney hawkes on heart, real had these on no probs, for a nice bit of cheese, it was same with the Indy you used to get a few bands in razorlight, the kooks, oasis, and not just don't look back in anger, like now on time tunnel, used to play whatever, live forever, basically there was just more musical depth and better for it.
But like others have said heart do the research and seem to have a winning formula, just could be a lot better.
Atomic kitten whole again does get played all be at just in the 2001 time tunnel.
Same with girls aloud call the shots although I've heard this on normal playlist.
I am a proper radio geek.☺️
Originally Posted by Sarahsaurus:
“As I am the poster who suggested them,you're probably right. I know I'm wasting my time and none of the artists I have suggested are ever going to make it on to the Heart playlist,and neither are any of the other artists suggested by other people on this thread.
Heart is going to continue with the same tried and tested relentless formula which I and many others find infuriating at times with its extremely limited playlist of Ezra,Sheeran,Goulding,Legend and Smith,plus a few oldies sprinkled over the top,which will always be the same ones,because they're the ones that people like.
I would never choose to listen to Heart,I think it's probably the least interesting station I've ever listened to. I listen to it only because there is nothing else where we are on FM,except maybe Forth One,and sometimes that's just as bad as Heart.
But there seem to be plenty people who for some strange reason like listening to the same records all the time. And so long as Heart's RAJAR figures remain high nothing is going to change.
I am going to retire from this thread now because there is really little more I can say that I have not said already.”
“As I am the poster who suggested them,you're probably right. I know I'm wasting my time and none of the artists I have suggested are ever going to make it on to the Heart playlist,and neither are any of the other artists suggested by other people on this thread.
Heart is going to continue with the same tried and tested relentless formula which I and many others find infuriating at times with its extremely limited playlist of Ezra,Sheeran,Goulding,Legend and Smith,plus a few oldies sprinkled over the top,which will always be the same ones,because they're the ones that people like.
I would never choose to listen to Heart,I think it's probably the least interesting station I've ever listened to. I listen to it only because there is nothing else where we are on FM,except maybe Forth One,and sometimes that's just as bad as Heart.
But there seem to be plenty people who for some strange reason like listening to the same records all the time. And so long as Heart's RAJAR figures remain high nothing is going to change.
I am going to retire from this thread now because there is really little more I can say that I have not said already.”
I don't blame you all the best ☺
Originally Posted by simonk243:
“I don't blame you all the best ☺”
“I don't blame you all the best ☺”
Thank you,you are the regular poster on here who seems most in tune with my views.
I just wanted a bit more music variety,that's all.
But as we know Heart doesn't really do more music variety,they do "More Music Variety!"
And then play George Ezra. Or Sam Smith. Or Debarge.
Just by way of a thought experiment,it would be interesting if,say,a dozen or so of the top execs and programmers at Heart,who decide what gets played,were put in the Big Brother house for a month.
At seven o'clock in the morning,the radio comes on,playing Heart through all the speakers. Not at a ridiculously loud volume,but it's there,all the time,and you can't escape it. It continues until midnight,when it is turned off,until seven o'clock the next morning,when it comes back on again. While it is on,they have no way of turning it off..
Let's see how much they like that More Music Variety..
At seven o'clock in the morning,the radio comes on,playing Heart through all the speakers. Not at a ridiculously loud volume,but it's there,all the time,and you can't escape it. It continues until midnight,when it is turned off,until seven o'clock the next morning,when it comes back on again. While it is on,they have no way of turning it off..
Let's see how much they like that More Music Variety..
Originally Posted by simonk243:
“I'd surprised if it hasnt
been brought by a few 25 to 44 yr old females.
It's being played by radio2 which is for over 35s so there obviously liking it. It's also being played by Capital under 35s (just two examples) so a song with a very wide appeal.
In fact heart are probably the only station not playing it 😄”
“I'd surprised if it hasnt
been brought by a few 25 to 44 yr old females.
It's being played by radio2 which is for over 35s so there obviously liking it. It's also being played by Capital under 35s (just two examples) so a song with a very wide appeal.
In fact heart are probably the only station not playing it 😄”
Ultimately Heart is controlled by the same people as Capital. It's a conscious decision not to play it on Heart And I'd say it's not familiar enough.
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Burn factor will probably be a key measurment in Heart's testing. Most programmers are keen to see how quickly a song is burning on the audience. I think you'd be suprised at how long it takes for the listeners and potential listeners to get sick of some songs.
Its important for stations to test music on non.listeners who fit the demographic too, after all just testing on listeners is preaching to the converted. You need to test on a good cross section of your demohraphic.
Originally Posted by Mall:
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I But I doubt it works like that there probably just asked do you like this track yes or no or are you familiar with this track yes or no. So there is no option for should these tracks be rested or have you heard these too much lately etc ?
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I But I doubt it works like that there probably just asked do you like this track yes or no or are you familiar with this track yes or no. So there is no option for should these tracks be rested or have you heard these too much lately etc ?
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Burn factor will probably be a key measurment in Heart's testing. Most programmers are keen to see how quickly a song is burning on the audience. I think you'd be suprised at how long it takes for the listeners and potential listeners to get sick of some songs.
Its important for stations to test music on non.listeners who fit the demographic too, after all just testing on listeners is preaching to the converted. You need to test on a good cross section of your demohraphic.
Originally Posted by Sarahsaurus:
“
I am going to retire from this thread now because there is really little more I can say that I have not said already.”
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I am going to retire from this thread now because there is really little more I can say that I have not said already.”
Think I will too, as the Global boys have not had the decency or courage to admit why they run the top 40 show!
Maybe they should stand for Parliament at the forthcoming elections, given how they are experts in evading a constructive point, or, more than likely, have had orders from "above" to keep it zipped!
Originally Posted by wckartist:
“Think I will too, as the Global boys have not had the decency or courage to admit why they run the top 40 show!
Maybe they should stand for Parliament at the forthcoming elections, given how they are experts in evading a constructive point, or, more than likely, have had orders from "above" to keep it zipped!”
“Think I will too, as the Global boys have not had the decency or courage to admit why they run the top 40 show!
Maybe they should stand for Parliament at the forthcoming elections, given how they are experts in evading a constructive point, or, more than likely, have had orders from "above" to keep it zipped!”
I'm not sure why they do, maybe it's a radio tradition and no one has thought up an alternative. But now R1 has started to constructively dismiss theirs, I imagine it's days are numbered in commercial radio too.
Originally Posted by wckartist:
“Think I will too, as the Global boys have not had the decency or courage to admit why they run the top 40 show!
Maybe they should stand for Parliament at the forthcoming elections, given how they are experts in evading a constructive point, or, more than likely, have had orders from "above" to keep it zipped!”
“Think I will too, as the Global boys have not had the decency or courage to admit why they run the top 40 show!
Maybe they should stand for Parliament at the forthcoming elections, given how they are experts in evading a constructive point, or, more than likely, have had orders from "above" to keep it zipped!”
I have not seen any evading. You have had a possible answer as to why they run it but you have chosen to rubbish it as it wasn't what you wanted to hear.
How about you enlighten us as you seem to know the answer.
Originally Posted by Borsant:
“How many sales a week and what's the age gender demographic breakdown?”
“How many sales a week and what's the age gender demographic breakdown?”
Here we go again. Trying to cloud the issue with unnecessary and irrelevant stats. It's not rocket science or brain surgery for crying out loud, it's some bloke in a radio station playing tunes.
Ever heard of the Emperor's New Clothes?
Originally Posted by Sarahsaurus:
“Just by way of a thought experiment,it would be interesting if,say,a dozen or so of the top execs and programmers at Heart,who decide what gets played,were put in the Big Brother house for a month.
At seven o'clock in the morning,the radio comes on,playing Heart through all the speakers. Not at a ridiculously loud volume,but it's there,all the time,and you can't escape it. It continues until midnight,when it is turned off,until seven o'clock the next morning,when it comes back on again. While it is on,they have no way of turning it off..
Let's see how much they like that More Music Variety..”
“Just by way of a thought experiment,it would be interesting if,say,a dozen or so of the top execs and programmers at Heart,who decide what gets played,were put in the Big Brother house for a month.
At seven o'clock in the morning,the radio comes on,playing Heart through all the speakers. Not at a ridiculously loud volume,but it's there,all the time,and you can't escape it. It continues until midnight,when it is turned off,until seven o'clock the next morning,when it comes back on again. While it is on,they have no way of turning it off..
Let's see how much they like that More Music Variety..
”
How do you know Heart's programmers DON'T listen to the radio station a lot more than the average listener and a lot more than you.
It'd be a pretty dumb programmer who didn't listen to his/her own station very much.
Originally Posted by Sarahsaurus:
“Just by way of a thought experiment,it would be interesting if,say,a dozen or so of the top execs and programmers at Heart,who decide what gets played,were put in the Big Brother house for a month.
At seven o'clock in the morning,the radio comes on,playing Heart through all the speakers. Not at a ridiculously loud volume,but it's there,all the time,and you can't escape it. It continues until midnight,when it is turned off,until seven o'clock the next morning,when it comes back on again. While it is on,they have no way of turning it off..
Let's see how much they like that More Music Variety..”
“Just by way of a thought experiment,it would be interesting if,say,a dozen or so of the top execs and programmers at Heart,who decide what gets played,were put in the Big Brother house for a month.
At seven o'clock in the morning,the radio comes on,playing Heart through all the speakers. Not at a ridiculously loud volume,but it's there,all the time,and you can't escape it. It continues until midnight,when it is turned off,until seven o'clock the next morning,when it comes back on again. While it is on,they have no way of turning it off..
Let's see how much they like that More Music Variety..
”
Originally Posted by Grimshaw84:
“How do you know Heart's programmers DON'T listen to the radio station a lot more than the average listener and a lot more than you.
It'd be a pretty dumb programmer who didn't listen to his/her own station very much.”
“How do you know Heart's programmers DON'T listen to the radio station a lot more than the average listener and a lot more than you.
It'd be a pretty dumb programmer who didn't listen to his/her own station very much.”
The thing is I bet some of the programmers are fed up of certain songs which is why they use testing and the like.
Originally Posted by Borsant:
“Ultimately Heart is controlled by the same people as Capital. It's a conscious decision not to play it on Heart And I'd say it's not familiar enough.”
“Ultimately Heart is controlled by the same people as Capital. It's a conscious decision not to play it on Heart And I'd say it's not familiar enough.”
Wow. And there was me thinking it was a free and fair market.
Ultimately Heart and Capital are the same non-competing with each other station. All that happens is that, apart from us anorak and radio geeks, the general public are unaware of the connection.
At least with BBC radio (and tv) everyone knows which stations are controlled together rather competitively. Perhaps the time has come to force companies to include the group name in the name of the station. At least if we had Global Heart, Global Capital,Global Classic, Global Smooth etc. the public would be better informed.
The present set up, whilst obviously legal, is at best underhand, deliberately vague and totally opaque, rather than transparent as it ought to be
General public might get an idea the stations are linked from "Here is the news from the Global Newsroom"?
Originally Posted by Mall:
“Here we go again. Trying to cloud the issue with unnecessary and irrelevant stats. It's not rocket science or brain surgery for crying out loud, it's some bloke in a radio station playing tunes.
Ever heard of the Emperor's New Clothes?”
“Here we go again. Trying to cloud the issue with unnecessary and irrelevant stats. It's not rocket science or brain surgery for crying out loud, it's some bloke in a radio station playing tunes.
Ever heard of the Emperor's New Clothes?”
Necessary and relevant stats are what seperate the successful stations from the lamented dodos.
The song under discussion has sold and streamed better than it's rivals for three consecutive weeks. That doesn't mean it's suitable for Heart, even if it is for Capital. Ever heard of the tail wagging the dog? (if we're lobbing cliches at each other)
Originally Posted by Mall:
“The present set up, whilst obviously legal, is at best underhand, deliberately vague and totally opaque, rather than transparent as it ought to be”
“The present set up, whilst obviously legal, is at best underhand, deliberately vague and totally opaque, rather than transparent as it ought to be”
So owning 2 stations in the market is misleading. Most operators are in the same position. How many average listeners know (or care) that Bauer own Magic & Kiss.
Originally Posted by Borsant:
“Necessary and relevant stats are what seperate the successful stations from the lamented dodos.
The song under discussion has sold and streamed better than it's rivals for three consecutive weeks. That doesn't mean it's suitable for Heart, even if it is for Capital. Ever heard of the tail wagging the dog? (if we're lobbing cliches at each other)”
“Necessary and relevant stats are what seperate the successful stations from the lamented dodos.
The song under discussion has sold and streamed better than it's rivals for three consecutive weeks. That doesn't mean it's suitable for Heart, even if it is for Capital. Ever heard of the tail wagging the dog? (if we're lobbing cliches at each other)”
It's a good upbeat pop/dance tune which is popular across many stations from the older middle of the road radio2 too the younger top 40 capital. It's one of those crossover songs.
Using the excuse "it's not familiar" but was the kodaline track familiar when they started playing it "no" but they introduced each time it was played so the listener knew. They do this now and again. That's what I find strange with heart there is no consistency ?
Originally Posted by Station ID:
“So owning 2 stations in the market is misleading. Most operators are in the same position. How many average listeners know (or care) that Bauer own Magic & Kiss.”
“So owning 2 stations in the market is misleading. Most operators are in the same position. How many average listeners know (or care) that Bauer own Magic & Kiss.”
My point made completely. Thank you. Legal but misleading. With BBC radio everyone is under no illusions as to the fact that one organisation is controlling several stations.
With Global they give the impression they are competing stations but in reality there are far from it.
Legal - obviously. Ethical and transparent - nowhere near.
Originally Posted by Mall:
“My point made completely. Thank you. Legal but misleading. With BBC radio everyone is under no illusions as to the fact that one organisation is controlling several stations.
With Global they give the impression they are competing stations but in reality there are far from it.
Legal - obviously. Ethical and transparent - nowhere near.”
“My point made completely. Thank you. Legal but misleading. With BBC radio everyone is under no illusions as to the fact that one organisation is controlling several stations.
With Global they give the impression they are competing stations but in reality there are far from it.
Legal - obviously. Ethical and transparent - nowhere near.”
Anyone interested can easily look online and find out who owns what stations. It's not exactly a secret or hard to find information. I suspect the majority of people simply don't care.
How exactly do Global "give the impression" that Heart and Capital are competing stations? When they actually did have separate owners I remember Capital trying to take on Heart by going for 'melodic' singer/songwriter music during it's disastrous 2006 relaunch. But now Heart, Capital and Smooth are all distinctive instead of trying to steal each other's audience and going for the middle ground. Surely that creates more choice and is better for the listener?
Originally Posted by Mall:
“My point made completely. Thank you. Legal but misleading. With BBC radio everyone is under no illusions as to the fact that one organisation is controlling several stations.
With Global they give the impression they are competing stations but in reality there are far from it.
Legal - obviously. Ethical and transparent - nowhere near.”
“My point made completely. Thank you. Legal but misleading. With BBC radio everyone is under no illusions as to the fact that one organisation is controlling several stations.
With Global they give the impression they are competing stations but in reality there are far from it.
Legal - obviously. Ethical and transparent - nowhere near.”
I've just found out that two competing condiments are made by the same company. Heinz Tomato Ketchup and HP Sauce are made by the SAME company, Heinz. They don't put the word Heinz on the HP Sauce packaging.
How dare they? I for one will not be eating any Heinz product again. This unethical practice needs to be STOPPED.
OMG I've just found out that Heinz also own Amoy Soy Sauce. When will it end?
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“Anyone interested can easily look online and find out who owns what stations. It's not exactly a secret or hard to find information. I suspect the majority of people simply don't care. <snip>”
“Anyone interested can easily look online and find out who owns what stations. It's not exactly a secret or hard to find information. I suspect the majority of people simply don't care. <snip>”
My experience is that you are right and even if they knew they wouldn't be bothered.
Someone recently asked me "What is this Global's Newsroom is about?" I explained and their eyes began to glaze over! They thought it would be a more exciting answer.
About 8-10 years ago a Smooth listener I know got annoyed with their news intros saying "A Guardian Media Group Station" - they said "Why do I need to know this?" and thought it was to do with the local paper in their town which uses the suffix Guardian.
Originally Posted by Mall:
“My point made completely. Thank you. Legal but misleading. With BBC radio everyone is under no illusions as to the fact that one organisation is controlling several stations.
With Global they give the impression they are competing stations but in reality there are far from it.
Legal - obviously. Ethical and transparent - nowhere near.”
“My point made completely. Thank you. Legal but misleading. With BBC radio everyone is under no illusions as to the fact that one organisation is controlling several stations.
With Global they give the impression they are competing stations but in reality there are far from it.
Legal - obviously. Ethical and transparent - nowhere near.”
I hope i'm not going to sound thick but I can't see how owning 2 or more radio stations is misleading. They don't try to hide the facts and are fully transparent. The information is there for anyone who wants to know. To mislead someone means you are giving them false information and I can-t see how Global are doing that.
As far as Global bashing goes that is a pretty weak attempt.
Originally Posted by Station ID:
“So owning 2 stations in the market is misleading. Most operators are in the same position. How many average listeners know (or care) that Bauer own Magic & Kiss.”
“So owning 2 stations in the market is misleading. Most operators are in the same position. How many average listeners know (or care) that Bauer own Magic & Kiss.”
Saying Global Capital or Global Heart or Bauer Magic or Bauer Kiss on air may be too long for the limited speech time.
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