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andys corner
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by jon craig:
“Really?? I'm no Heart apologist and actually came on to make mischief about the appearance of Global Talent acts Lawson and Nathan Sykes on the Heart playlist several weeks upfront (familiarity, research etc doesn't apply to Global's own acts of course), but I'd be surprised if what you've claimed is right. Perhaps you could share which hour of which show and I'll take a look and see if you're right?”

heart north west drive time show, roughly between 5:10 and 6:30pm

checked the website and i can view yesterday and tuesday but not monday. checking it confirms 'the mack' was on yesterday at 6:10pm, there are some pretty large gaps between songs which causes me to think the website is somewhat flawed
Themaverick
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by andys corner:
“heart north west drive time show, roughly between 5:10 and 6:30pm

checked the website and i can view yesterday and tuesday but not monday. checking it confirms 'the mack' was on yesterday at 6:10pm, there are some pretty large gaps between songs which causes me to think the website is somewhat flawed”

Haha
Even the poor old website isn't safe from an Andy bashing
andys corner
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by Themaverick:
“Haha
Even the poor old website isn't safe from an Andy bashing”

I was responding to a comment about checking if I was right, I checked it myself to check my own version of events.
omnidirectional
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by andys corner:
“heart north west drive time show, roughly between 5:10 and 6:30pm

checked the website and i can view yesterday and tuesday but not monday. checking it confirms 'the mack' was on yesterday at 6:10pm, there are some pretty large gaps between songs which causes me to think the website is somewhat flawed”

It's correct, not a flaw. The ex-Real stations have more talk at drivetime including 15 minutes of news at 18:45.
SmartProgrammer
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by andys corner:
“my commute home is a little over an hour, second or third time this week I have had the pleasure of listening to return of the mack and nothing's gonna stop us now during the same hour of the same show and we are only up to wednesday”

Not sure where you got "same hour of the same show" from. Here's the real airplay data for Return of the Mac.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2nk72nr.jpg

Here's Starship :

http://oi58.tinypic.com/105zfya.jpg
andys corner
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by SmartProgrammer:
“Not sure where you got "same hour of the same show" from. Here's the real airplay data for Return of the Mac.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2nk72nr.jpg

Here's Starship :

http://oi58.tinypic.com/105zfya.jpg”

My mistake sorry, must be getting confused

Really interesting info, thanks for that
Sarahsaurus
11-06-2015
It may not have been the same hour of the same show but Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now still got played six times in a week. A record that's over twenty-five years old.

OK they were at different times of the day,so it's highly unlikely anyone would have heard all the plays,but anyone who listens to Heart regularly will be very familiar with Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now. And the other Starship one,We Built This City.

Any chance of playing something a bit different from the 80s back catalogue,Smart Programmer? Perhaps a record that we've not heard dozens,if not hundreds of times already?
SmartProgrammer
11-06-2015
Return of the Mack still tests very well and ticks all the right boxes. Whenever research is carried out on this song it always shows a high positive with low burn. Some songs stand the test of time better than others.

Its not just Heart either as rotation is similar on other stations (Free Radio for example)

http://oi60.tinypic.com/wce5uv.jpg
simonk243
11-06-2015
Out of interest do heart test most new songs like just taking for example nick Jonas jealous, years and years king, lunchmoney lewis bills, carly rae jepson I really like you etc or do they say these just aren't heart tracks and they never see the light of day ?
Borsant
11-06-2015
But, here's the thing. There are going to be people who don't like it. So, rather than "crying out loud", why not just excvept the fact that there are people to genuniely like radio, and just maybe heart doesn't cut it for them.[/quote]

I think Smart Provrammers exasperation is because the same criticism is used despite reasonable explanation and numbers that refuse to decline long term in an increasingly crowded market. It's also the selective and synthetic rage... When did you hear ANY station announce in advance the release of a presenter?
ink171
11-06-2015
Moyles, Wogan and Fern Cotton all had a chance to say goodbye
simonk243
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by Borsant:
“But, here's the thing. There are going to be people who don't like it. So, rather than "crying out loud", why not just excvept the fact that there are people to genuniely like radio, and just maybe heart doesn't cut it for them.”

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simonk243
11-06-2015
'Im speaking for myself as a regular poster on this forum. There are elements to heart I like and elements I don't. I have learnt a lot on here as to how heart and the radio industry works. I understand and accept why they do what they do it doesn't mean to say I have to agree with it.

I have praised heart I have also heavily criticised it that is my right. Of course some critism made is positive some isn't.

With regards to the presenter leaving with no announcement I don't see what the problem with Jenny being able to say at some point in her last show that it was her last ?
Sarahsaurus
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by ink171:
“Moyles, Wogan and Fern Cotton all had a chance to say goodbye”

Those three were all big name presenters on high profile BBC stations. When they left it was newsworthy. There is no way their last shows wouldn't have been marked in some way.

Heart presenters are a different story. Except for the "celeb" one like Jason Donovan and Emma Bunton,they're hardly household names. One leaves,they get another one in to replace them. That's it.

Having said that I don't know why the one that left didn't make reference to it on her last show. (I didn't listen to it so I'm only going by what people have said here that she didn't.)

Either she didn't want to refer to it or she was told not to,or she didn't know at the time that her last show was her last. Maybe she thought she had one or two more to go but they decided not to use her.

Take your pick.
ledders
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by Borsant:
“I think Smart Provrammers exasperation is because the same criticism is used despite reasonable explanation and numbers that refuse to decline long term in an increasingly crowded market. It's also the selective and synthetic rage... When did you hear ANY station announce in advance the release of a presenter?”

And there is nothing wrong with making the same criticisms while they are not being addressed. Infact, I would have thought certain posterrs would be in favour of the same points being made as they appear to appreciate the repetition that heart churns out.

It would appear there are certain rules for some, and certain rules for others.
Hannah Buchanan
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by ledders:
“And there is nothing wrong with making the same criticisms while they are not being addressed. Infact, I would have thought certain posterrs would be in favour of the same points being made as they appear to appreciate the repetition that heart churns out.

It would appear there are certain rules for some, and certain rules for others.”

Perhaps the "criticisms" ergo moans are not being addressed because Heart is programmed to satisfy real people, not radio forums.

Gemma in Leeds and Katie in Glasgow are not going to be online checking industry websites to see how many times Starship are played.

Secondly, I bet Starship or Mark Morrison are maybe played once at Breakfast, and maybe again at Drive. The listener, (the real one, not the one noting and checking) gets the pay off of hearing their favourite song twice.

Even at Heart's club nights, sometimes the same songs are played in the same order, or frequency. The target audience sing along, and listeners enjoy it. If Heart were to suddenly drop Rage Against the Machine in a club, confusion would ensue.

It is depressing, a) that you hate Heart so much, but listen to every smidgen of its output and b) and that you refuse to understand that radio is a business.

It's like GWR for 2015.

Is that about the size of it SmartProgrammer?

Oh and I don't work for Global but wouldn't say no!
simonk243
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by Hannah Buchanan:
“Perhaps the "criticisms" ergo moans are not being addressed because Heart is programmed to satisfy real people, not radio forums.

Gemma in Leeds and Katie in Glasgow are not going to be online checking industry websites to see how many times Starship are played.

Secondly, I bet Starship or Mark Morrison are maybe played once at Breakfast, and maybe again at Drive. The listener, (the real one, not the one noting and checking) gets the pay off of hearing their favourite song twice.

Even at Heart's club nights, sometimes the same songs are played in the same order, or frequency. The target audience sing along, and listeners enjoy it. If Heart were to suddenly drop Rage Against the Machine in a club, confusion would ensue.

It is depressing, a) that you hate Heart so much, but listen to every smidgen of it's output and b) and that you refuse to understand that radio is a business.

It's like GWR for 2015.

Is that about the size of it SmartProgrammer?

Oh and I don't work for Global but wouldn't say no!”

And the same comments are made about us the people who make the critism putting us into pigeon holes and stereo typing it's laughable 😄Do you know what sort of listener I am

Again critism isn't
about hating something I'm sure most people criticise I criticise my partner it doesn't mean I hate them.

If you watch a film I'm sure there's parts you loved and parts you didn't, parts you thought could of been done better etc.

Who says you have to listen to heart all day to know what there playing just look at there Web site or others for info. You don't have to be a genius, an anorak or a statistician to know the figures I'm sure the average heart listener is aware of the limited playlist and some repetition you'd have to be stupid not too.

And who says we don't understand it's a business of course it is just like any other.

Who's making ridiculous comments now saying you should play rage against the machine at a Heart club night no one as far as I know has made any outrageous suggestions that Heart should start playing death metal or hard house for e.g. have they.

Most suggestions are pretty plausible I think ?
Borsant
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by ledders:
“And there is nothing wrong with making the same criticisms while they are not being addressed. Infact, I would have thought certain posterrs would be in favour of the same points being made as they appear to appreciate the repetition that heart churns out.

It would appear there are certain rules for some, and certain rules for others.”

If you have millions of loyal customers in the real world and half a dozen naysayers here, what is there to address?

There's no rules I'm aware of but forgive a professional like SP if he gets tired of responding to the same old invalid jibes (From the Heart business model point of view)
ledders
11-06-2015
This is part of the problem on here though, you are not allowed to dislike heart.

No, I don't listn to every second of the output. I very rarely listen to be honest. I do, on occasion, dip in and out of the station hoping it is going to improve.

However, what I have heard, I will pass comment on. And that is my right, is it not?

There are too many posters on here who post comments that don't represent their thoughts on the output, but rather the reasons why the output is as disgraceful as it is. If there was a bit more thought that went into not just the music, but the verbal delivery of the DJs, then it might start to become something like a radio station that could be taken seriously.

One thing heart does which I am in favour of is the extended news program in the early evening. It is things like this that they could build upon.

Sadly, after that, it is "Roberto" with his inane delivery. Roberto, you have got listeners all over the country, say something interesting now and again. The guy should be on children's television.
ledders
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by Borsant:
“If you have millions of loyal customers in the real world and half a dozen naysayers here, what is there to address?

There's no rules I'm aware of but forgive a professional like SP if he gets tired of responding to the same old invalid jibes (From the Heart business model point of view)”

lol, a professional? In what? Having an opinion?

I have no doubt Smartprogrammer is a professional in the radio industry but that doesn't mean I should be told what I have to put up with on the radio.

As I said in one of my earlier posts, he clearly likes heart. And as I also said earlier, good for him. If that is what entertains him, then I am pleased for him.
Amara
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by ledders:
“lol, a professional? In what? Having an opinion?

I have no doubt Smartprogrammer is a professional in the radio industry but that doesn't mean I should be told what I have to put up with on the radio.

As I said in one of my earlier posts, he clearly likes heart. And as I also said earlier, good for him. If that is what entertains him, then I am pleased for him.”

Smart Programmer is I believe a little more than a listener as are a few other "supporters" on here. Like you I don't like being told what I have to put up with on the radio. I think the fact that there presenters can just disappear these days is due to the bland output. Presenters either have or are only allowed limited personality and say so little other than straplines and station names that they all more or less sound the same. Odd exceptions of course know how to work the format and are a little more interesting to listen to. That coupled with the repetitive playlists just about sums up the abysmal state of UK commercial radio in 2015. Oh and please don't come back praising RAJAR as I couldn't care less. Radio should be entertaining.
simonk243
11-06-2015
I hate this whole attitude of because you critisise something it means you hate it. And all you get is well just don't listen.
Sarahsaurus
11-06-2015
I don't mind the presenters as such. Heart is a music station. They are there to play the records. They don't do much talking other than that. Fair enough. I can do without that during the night anyway.

One station we listened to overnight a few years ago (not Heart) used to employ a female presenter (who shall remain nameless) who specialized in long,rambling stories about what she'd done that day or that week which were almost completely uninteresting. Then fifteen minutes later she'd say something like, "Now you remember we were talking about...",and go through it all again. It was not enjoyable to listen to.

The Heart presenters thankfully don't go in for that sort of thing much although I have to say I could do without the updates about what Ed Sheeran/Sam Smith/Olly Murs said on their Twitter feed/posted on their Instagram page/had for breakfast that day. But I realise that some people find all that sort of stuff interesting. For some reason.
Amara
11-06-2015
Just shows the lack of ability if all presenters can do is quote Twitter feeds that listeners can look at anyway.
pi r squared
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by ledders:
“This is part of the problem on here though, you are not allowed to dislike heart.”

Given that the majority of posts in here are actually anti-Heart, I am intrigued that you think you are "not allowed to dislike Heart". You're allowed to do as you like, but in a discussion forum surely people are allowed to counter or contest or disagree with your argument?

When I say the majority of posts, for reference, our top posters in this thread are:

Gavin_D - 398 posts - mostly informational / neutral posts
occy - 303 posts - mostly informational / neutral posts
simonk243 - 201 posts - mostly of a critical nature or of the "Heart would be better if..." variety
Hitmusic - 197 posts - mixed
Sarahsaurus - 175 posts - mostly critical. Allegedly retired from the thread about 20 posts ago
spotify95 - 151 posts - not so active anymore. Previous posts were all about Heart cutting 3 seconds off the end of a song
SmartProgrammer - 95 posts - mostly informational or procedural. 'Pro'-Heart if we had to call sides.
bluesdiamond - 80 posts - anti-Heart.
wckartist - 72 posts - very anti-Heart. Many of a baiting nature.
Station ID - 68 posts - mostly informational or procedural. Neutrality/dislike towards Heart as a station but 'pro', I guess, towards its methodology.
...

I may have got the odd bit wrong in the above analysis but the figures suggest to me that there is way more on the 'against' side than the 'for'. I'd almost be tempted to flip your statement around and say that you're not allowed to like Heart on these forums.

But I won't.
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