Originally Posted by rocker1990:
“Won't be too long before JK & Lucy are moved to breakfast”
“Won't be too long before JK & Lucy are moved to breakfast”
They pinched them from our one. Bah!
Heart Stations
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Originally Posted by Mapperley Ridge:
“Oh FFS. In another thread you're suggesting the merger of three small scale stations in Devon to give Heart a run for their money....
Heart is not primarily a speech service, nor do its listeners want it to be. The bigger speech requirements in some areas are historical, connected to the licences and formats in those areas.
So long as stations stick to the OFCOM localness guidelines, that's generally enough.”
“Oh FFS. In another thread you're suggesting the merger of three small scale stations in Devon to give Heart a run for their money....
Heart is not primarily a speech service, nor do its listeners want it to be. The bigger speech requirements in some areas are historical, connected to the licences and formats in those areas.
So long as stations stick to the OFCOM localness guidelines, that's generally enough.”
Stop stalking my posts and don't bother posting if you can't get your point across without swearing via an acronym.
Originally Posted by dpb:
“Heart London's format only requires the music is "supplemented with news, information and entertainment" (or something similar) which isn't a recent requirement, not a certain amount of speech.”
“Heart London's format only requires the music is "supplemented with news, information and entertainment" (or something similar) which isn't a recent requirement, not a certain amount of speech.”
News, information and entertainment equates to as "speech".
Originally Posted by pjex:
“Stop stalking my posts and don't bother posting if you can't get your point across without swearing via an acronym.”
“Stop stalking my posts and don't bother posting if you can't get your point across without swearing via an acronym.”
Hilarious. In case you hadn't noticed, the most recent posts on this forum appear on the front page. That's where I generally look first.
A couple of days back your comment about merging the small Devon stations was there. I challenged you on that then and you avoided the issue and now you've done the same. Nor have you responded to my point about Heart being a music based service.
All I'm doing is challenging the inconstencies in your arguments. That is the nature of debate. Your assertion that everyone outside London was getting a "second rate" service just doesn't stand up.
As for swearing via acronyms, can you blame me when I'm dealing with people who have little or no grasp of how radio actually works?
Originally Posted by Hitmusic:
“News, information and entertainment equates to as "speech".”
“News, information and entertainment equates to as "speech".”
Except when it comes to local news, where entertainment generally can't be classified as local content. Capital got hauled up over that a couple of years ago and were eventually forced to extend their daytime bulletins from 30 to 90 seconds.
Originally Posted by pjex:
“Why fewer songs in London, any reason London has a more chatty breakfast type drive when the rest of the network is non stop music? Wouldn't the rest of the country appreciate a bit of DJ interaction on their drive home why does drive have to be so different from Breakfast? Is it simply the lack of personality jocks to fill all the local drive shows?”
“Why fewer songs in London, any reason London has a more chatty breakfast type drive when the rest of the network is non stop music? Wouldn't the rest of the country appreciate a bit of DJ interaction on their drive home why does drive have to be so different from Breakfast? Is it simply the lack of personality jocks to fill all the local drive shows?”
Originally Posted by Hitmusic:
“Because Heart London's format must include a certain amount of speach. Also don't forget heart London has the flagship breakfast and drive shows.”
“Because Heart London's format must include a certain amount of speach. Also don't forget heart London has the flagship breakfast and drive shows.”
Originally Posted by dpb:
“Heart London's format only requires the music is "supplemented with news, information and entertainment" (or something similar) which isn't a recent requirement, not a certain amount of speech.”
“Heart London's format only requires the music is "supplemented with news, information and entertainment" (or something similar) which isn't a recent requirement, not a certain amount of speech.”
Originally Posted by Hitmusic:
“News, information and entertainment equates to as "speech".”
“News, information and entertainment equates to as "speech".”
It can be but Heart aren't doing a personality drivetime for London because of any licence requirements, it's because they want to. West Midlands have exactly the same CoS and have a music drivetime.
Originally Posted by Mapperley Ridge:
“Hilarious. In case you hadn't noticed, the most recent posts on this forum appear on the front page. That's where I generally look first.
A couple of days back your comment about merging the small Devon stations was there. I challenged you on that then and you avoided the issue and now you've done the same. Nor have you responded to my point about Heart being a music based service.
All I'm doing is challenging the inconstencies in your arguments. That is the nature of debate. Your assertion that everyone outside London was getting a "second rate" service just doesn't stand up.
As for swearing via acronyms, can you blame me when I'm dealing with people who have little or no grasp of how radio actually works?”
“Hilarious. In case you hadn't noticed, the most recent posts on this forum appear on the front page. That's where I generally look first.
A couple of days back your comment about merging the small Devon stations was there. I challenged you on that then and you avoided the issue and now you've done the same. Nor have you responded to my point about Heart being a music based service.
All I'm doing is challenging the inconstencies in your arguments. That is the nature of debate. Your assertion that everyone outside London was getting a "second rate" service just doesn't stand up.
As for swearing via acronyms, can you blame me when I'm dealing with people who have little or no grasp of how radio actually works?”
Please explain how radio works if I have no grasp? I think I have a perfect grasp, stations broadcast audio, people listen, the more that listen the more advistisers will pay and the higher a station's revenue. Please enlighten me with your superior knowledge.
Originally Posted by pjex:
“Please explain how radio works if I have no grasp? I think I have a perfect grasp, stations broadcast audio, people listen, the more that listen the more advistisers will pay and the higher a station's revenue. Please enlighten me with your superior knowledge.”
“Please explain how radio works if I have no grasp? I think I have a perfect grasp, stations broadcast audio, people listen, the more that listen the more advistisers will pay and the higher a station's revenue. Please enlighten me with your superior knowledge.”
I'll explain it when you answer my previous points about supporting networking as long as it's a small group and vehemently opposing it if it has the name Global attached to it.
Originally Posted by Mapperley Ridge:
“I'll explain it when you answer my previous points about supporting networking as long as it's a small group and vehemently opposing it if it has the name Global attached to it.”
“I'll explain it when you answer my previous points about supporting networking as long as it's a small group and vehemently opposing it if it has the name Global attached to it.”
I have no issue with Heart networking, just don't understand why if you go to the effort of having a national show it is filled with non stop music rather than personality. Things are improving with the more personality focused weekend breakfast shows. Maybe they should network breakfast and drive with some big names (Moyles? His apprentice JK is doing well at Heart copying the play old clips of other DJs feature Moyles used to do at his handover with JK/Joel). The back to back music could then just fill local hours 9-4, obviously there'd be local opt outs for news/travel during national breakfast/drive.
To be fair Heart just want to be a national FM station so why not ensure all Heart areas have at least 1 local alternative on FM then just let them be national and focus on 1 big breakfast and drive rather than 10s of local ones? Would allow them a fairer chance to compete with the BBC then.
Originally Posted by pjex:
“I have no issue with Heart networking, just don't understand why if you go to the effort of having a national show it is filled with non stop music rather than personality. Things are improving with the more personality focused weekend breakfast shows. Maybe they should network breakfast and drive with some big names (Moyles? His apprentice JK is doing well at Heart copying the play old clips of other DJs feature Moyles used to do at his handover with JK/Joel). The back to back music could then just fill local hours 9-4, obviously there'd be local opt outs for news/travel during national breakfast/drive.
To be fair Heart just want to be a national FM station so why not ensure all Heart areas have at least 1 local alternative on FM then just let them be national and focus on 1 big breakfast and drive rather than 10s of local ones? Would allow them a fairer chance to compete with the BBC then.”
“I have no issue with Heart networking, just don't understand why if you go to the effort of having a national show it is filled with non stop music rather than personality. Things are improving with the more personality focused weekend breakfast shows. Maybe they should network breakfast and drive with some big names (Moyles? His apprentice JK is doing well at Heart copying the play old clips of other DJs feature Moyles used to do at his handover with JK/Joel). The back to back music could then just fill local hours 9-4, obviously there'd be local opt outs for news/travel during national breakfast/drive.
To be fair Heart just want to be a national FM station so why not ensure all Heart areas have at least 1 local alternative on FM then just let them be national and focus on 1 big breakfast and drive rather than 10s of local ones? Would allow them a fairer chance to compete with the BBC then.”
Either 6-9 or 7-9 AM must be local. I just can't remember which.
I think the answer is to offer an alternative and it's good business sense.
Doing what they do is cheaper but also provides something for the people who just want music and minimal clutter. They have the added frustration of adverts which we know listeners hate. The bbc have the speech heavy big personality presenters but there are a large number of people who don't want that. The audience figures for commercial radio back this up. Although the bbc has the larger market share commercialradio is not exactly doing badly. Add in their costs against the bbc's and as a spend per listener I think the commercial world wins hands down. That's good business.
Doing what they do is cheaper but also provides something for the people who just want music and minimal clutter. They have the added frustration of adverts which we know listeners hate. The bbc have the speech heavy big personality presenters but there are a large number of people who don't want that. The audience figures for commercial radio back this up. Although the bbc has the larger market share commercialradio is not exactly doing badly. Add in their costs against the bbc's and as a spend per listener I think the commercial world wins hands down. That's good business.
"More Music Variety" has been subject to a complaint again, but just like last time it has been rejected without an investigation. Perhaps those who don't like it could just change station rather than wasting their own (and Ofcom's) time? Page 112 of this week's Ofcom Broadcast Bulletin.
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin...227/obb227.pdf
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin...227/obb227.pdf
Originally Posted by TV Crazy:
“Special news bulletin at 13:30 coming up following Margaret Thatcher's death”
“Special news bulletin at 13:30 coming up following Margaret Thatcher's death”
Anyone got audio of that?
How did Heart deal with that story?
Capital had an extended 1pm bulletin. I guess Heart & Capital both used the same report from their 'political editor'? ending with "Capital Reports. Im..." and straight into 'you got the love'.
Originally Posted by -ajm-:
“When did his happen?
http://www.heart.co.uk/win/whos-heart/2013-winner-phil/”
“When did his happen?
http://www.heart.co.uk/win/whos-heart/2013-winner-phil/”
1pm, was listening at the time.
I see Joel Ross is covering Evenings for Roberto 12th August whilst Roberto and Margherita are covering London Breakfast. Interesting I bet JK will chat with him on his London Drivetime Show.
Originally Posted by -ajm-:
“No Toby you can't play music and adverts at the same time.”
“No Toby you can't play music and adverts at the same time.”
Toby, you can't also segue out songs far too early, that are halfway through a chorus:
http://www.mixcloud.com/spotify95/he...unk-get-lucky/
That's how you lose listeners.
Originally Posted by spotify95:
“Toby, you can't also segue out songs far too early, that are halfway through a chorus:
http://www.mixcloud.com/spotify95/he...unk-get-lucky/
That's how you lose listeners.”
“Toby, you can't also segue out songs far too early, that are halfway through a chorus:
http://www.mixcloud.com/spotify95/he...unk-get-lucky/
That's how you lose listeners.”
Well, considering the Heart network ADDED 200,000 listeners in the most recent RAJAR that seems to not be how you lose listeners.
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