I love the Daily Mail !

Lets hope those who have been charged for calls have such an optimistic view as yours. I suspect not.

Paricuarly if they are struggling to obtain refund for the calls and/or have a unexpected large direct debit processed through their bank as a result of this "bug".

Its nowhere near the antenna issue, in fact its potentially worse.

An example is if you buy your iPhone sim free direct from Apple and this issue happens. In that case the network has no obligation as it didnt supply the handset and its cross your fingers and hope Apple are as forthcoming with a refund as O2 and the other networks have been. Judging from past issues, I doubt it.

Are you the editor

To answer your question (and note that I'm capable of answering questions unlike you) no I find fault with a newspaper (and I use that word loosely as I think the daily mails primary function is for when you are out of bog roll) which prints sensationalist nonesence in as large a quantity as the daily mail. There's a Facebook group somewhere that has a nice long list of things the daily mail claim can cause cancer the first half of which contradicts the second half. Now there's quality reporting

Cos their too busy at the moment, they and anyone who looks down a tv camera seems to be trying to bring down BP to a price that will make it vulnerable to a US oil company!

But there isn't much to get wrong by saying there's a problem with the data roaming inhibit function. There appears to be a problem, they've reported such. Can't exactly blame that on the PC leftie nanny-state, nor can it cause cancer. What if an iPhone 4 owner moves in next door - won't someone think of my house price?

What about the "Torygraph" that you mentioned? Too right-wing to report that the iPhone has an issue, in an objective fashion? Did it claim it was all a conspiracy by Harriet Harman?

Indeed, I think I'd trust them more so than the rabidly pro-Apple blogs on t'internet, or the various Mac magazines that are so far up Apple's arse it probably contains missives and edicts from Jobs himself.

You appear to be attacking two "messengers" simply because you can - not based on the quality of the news reports about this specific issue.

Fact remains that in this case all newspapers reported the facts, albeit in their own tone.

Bit of a desperate measure trying to rubbish the content of all newspapers mentioned isnt it?

I mean, yes each paper does have its chosen field of madness, but, I havent ever seen the Telegraph making up technology stories, in fact its usually pretty spot on.

Anyway, no wonder Android sales are overtaking Apple in the UK. People want a proper reliable device!

Not quite as desperate as posting thread after thread of posts bashing the iPhone. I mean seriously don't you have anything better to do with your time. Reading the daily mail for example who no doubt today will tell you the iPhone 4 causes cancer and then next week tell you that android does. You don't like the iPhone, ok we get it. But that hardly means you have to spam this forum with negative thread after negative thread. There must be something else for you to do. And if not, get a pet.


You got a source to back up that claim? Just I'm struggling to think of a single android device that has sold 3 million units in it's first few weeks


They certainly do. Which is why a mere 2 months after switching from an iPhone 3GS to the android Sony Ericsson Xperia X10, a device which was neither proper or reliable and had a major fault with the keyboard input on the touch screen which kinda blows the antenna fault out of the water, I was more than happy to sell that one and return to the more reliable iPhone.

I wonder if she could get a vibrator one can make a phone call with. That would surely be more up her alley

Get a pet - brilliant.

Apple fans. They just LOVE to tell people what to do and how to think. Everything anti-Apple is negative / desperate / a waste of time / spam and if anyone has the gall to criticise them more than once - well, clearly they're not to be taken seriously.

No wonder there's a steady queue of people wanting to kick that particularly whiffy load of bollox firmly into touch.



And I'm struggling to understand why you seem to think Android only exists on one phone.



Good for you. You obviously don't need a pet then. Your new best friend is obviously your shiny new toy.

And all good Apple bashers seem to know that if anyone is actually quite happy with their Apple device, they must be in the wrong, talking out of their bum or brainwashed by Apple (something I'm certainly not as if I was, I wouldn't believe the iPad is just 4 iPod touches glued together)



The fact I stated that I can't think of one single Android device would imply that I am fully aware there is more than one! Which actually demonstrates why comparing android sales with iPhone sales is a bit odd when android has tens of different devices and iPhone has 3.



I have both and therefore don't feel the need to post thread after thread bashing Android despite my experience with it being the most bug ridden piece of tat I have ever used that required a 3rd party program just to get the touchscreen keyboard to work properly. And that was on the days that the battery didn't run out in a matter of hours!

You need to get a hobby. Im far from an apple fanboy as you so like to put it, however the iPhone is by far the best handset ive owned yet. I have no signal issues (I thought I did, however the calls dont drop, txts send and connectivity stays perfect), my screen is fine, I have no need for roaming and pretty much everything else is perfect for my needs. Of course I would like an LED notification light but thats just being picky.

How about you stick with your preferred kit of choice and get over your really quite bizarre obsession with the iPhone? Really, its quite childish.

This was been covered on Radio maybe 5 months ago.
I can't recall if it also applies to non Apple phones but am sure it is pot luck whether you get a refund.

edit - could have been related to this from 2009
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=2134291

Maybe it happens to almost everyone but being often pennies falls below the radar?

whatever else, to describe the iPhone4 as 'cheap design' is patently nonsense.

Iain

The iPhone 4 is marginally better, but I was referring to years of plastic crap from Apple that cracked the instant you looked at it.

Though, even the iPhone 4 cracks easily (at least its back panel) and apparently the bumper allows dust and dirt to get in and scratch the metal band. It is a little too new to see if any more design defects come out, as is usually the case with Apple products. I suppose the antenna is a big one.

Both models are of course made using badly-paid Labour in a factory in China (Apple released a press release claiming they'd sort it out, trying to be a caring corporation. But recently Foxconn is reporting that they've received nothing from Apple).

Yet, my much cheaper Android phone is made in Taiwan (possibly better working conditions) and my previous phones were made in Finland.

Have you ever even held an iPhone 3GS / 3G?

It is ANYTHING but cheap plastic. It feels and looks great.

Infinitely better than the actual cheap bendy plastic found on most other handsets on the market.

Guess it is maybe just the iPhone.

http://phone-shop.tesco.com/iphone-h...ng-abroad.aspx
How do I switch off Data Roaming?
Simple, just tap "Settings" on your iPhone, select "General" then "Network" and Simply slide "Data Roaming" to off.
Please note that some of the unique features of your iPhone automatically use data services. You may wish to turn off some of these services before you travel if you’re not going to use them whilst abroad.

Good luck finding them all!

Yet it had a huge cracking issue that appeared in the 3G and continued into the 3GS? Even day-old phones that have been babied.

Strange that much cheaper plastic phones don't have that issue. Unless you smash them deliberately.

My MacBook's plastic feels fairly cheap and nasty too. Especially the palm rest. My ThinkPad had a much better feel to it.

such as?


AFAICT its exterior is mostly constructed from strengthened glass and strengthened stainless steel.

which, AFAIK, are high quality materials.

also, AFAICT, the design is so minimalist to create much in the way of design flaws.


i doubt either of us know enough about such allegations to know what's really going on.


also, possibly fewer people required to produce it in lower volumes.

Iain

Classic quote from the Apple forum talking about scratches etc. to the case...

"I dont dare touch my phone without it in its case and without invisishield on it. Let alone put it in my pocket without it."

So. This is a phone that not only do you need to be careful how you hold it, but potentially, shouldn't even be holding it at all.

Well when a phone looks so good it's only natural people want to keep it looking good after all the work that went into design.

When you have something like a HTC device I find scratches can actually improve it's appearance as the cheap hideous look is turned into something with a bit of texture (kind of like it being an absolutely ugly outer shell. . .but trying to give it a bit of personality to paper over its look) .

A shame then that everyone is being forced into covering those good looks up with a case.


I have had a TyTn II for over two years and there's not a scratch anywhere on it. A few fingers prints maybe, but those wipe off easy enough. The only concession I made was to put a film over the glass at the front. It's too chunky for my liking now - but that's my fault, I bought the one with a keyboard (which I never use). Best of all: I get a signal from it when my brother-in-law's iphone 3GS doesn't. FACT.

How many HTC devices do you own, Soundburst?

In particular please list the HTC devices you've owned that were made in the last 3 or 4 years.

No one's being forced to do anything. I have no signal issue, I've ordered a free case anyway which may or may not end up going in my desk drawer

I'd have thought that being so loyal to Apple as you are, and since you don't experience the issue (so it doesn't exist), you wouldn't burn Apple's cash by requesting a case to mask an issue (that doesn't exist, according to you).