I'd save them the money and just not accept it in the first place.

When you're offered something from a massive organisation for free, you take it.

Yeah. Jehovah's WItnesses have tried that line on me, too...

If you have that attitude, why do you defend them like they're a penniless, caring religion and not a faceless corporation? (well, I suppose they aren't faceless - Jobs is the face)

BTW I'll assume you don't own any HTC phones and therefore can't judge their build quality. You know, the same thing you do to non-iPhone 4 owners like yourself.

I don't know what you're talking about, but OK.

No one has said the issue doesn't exist, just that it only exists when the phone is held in a stupid way. You've been told that several times. If english isn't your first language may I suggest the use of a translator

So about these db figures.............

According to you , you don't need to own products to judge them. . .

Anyway. . .functionality / the amount of calls you drop / signal attenuation / signal drop out / problems with making receiving calls and emails. . .all of that real world usage can't be judged from a quick demo in a store.

HOWEVER

The look and feel of a phone can be taken in with a play. Obviously I wouldn't find myself in the HTC section of a phone store even if they were the last hardware company on earth so I have played with my friends HTC which - compared to the Apple iPhone (any edition), felt and looked like it had been drawn up in about a day.

Infact compared to the iPhone it's like something Blue Peter would make from recycled coke cans and old VCR recorder doors.

You're lucky then. Around here they're only too keen to thrust any amount of free literature into your hands.

The point is that "When you're offered something from a massive organisation for free, you take it." isn't always good advice.

Brilliant contradiction. You're on a roll.

I was really talking about a corporation related to you in some way. For example. . .if you own an iPhone then scrounge a free case.

Unless his friend was in a mobile phone store that's not really a contradiction is it?

When you have a friend who says:

"I got the HTC Android phone. . .it's much better than your iPhone. . look at it ((shoves it into your hand)). . .look. . .if you shake the phone the womans boobies jiggle "

then you don't have the choice of avoiding the hardware (as you do in a store).

I did have to restrain myself from vomiting when the back of the phone touched my palm.

It felt of. . . .well. . .the little video drawers on old VCRs.

Nice answer.

Friend works in iPhone Dept and she has stated that if you've not been told about roaming charges - you can claim back the charges if your silly to surf abroad.
Data Shock its called or something.

I did the normal thing of turning the roaming off and also putting restrictions on all Data application when I went away.
No charges at all.

But he's HTC-curious or a closeted HTC fan

On the roaming charges issue - I've never had any unexpected charges when abroad using my O2 iphone. So if this is a bug, it's not a universal one.

I'm wondering whether people are getting caught out by turning off data roaming but leaving other notifications on, maybe this means some applications continue to access data even if data roaming is turned off.

It's easy enough to stop all unprompted data access though, I have my phone set up like this at all times (it was one of the first things I did when I got it as I prefer it to be like this, even when I'm in the UK.)

FFS.

which part of :

no-one has said the problem doesn't exist

are you having trouble understanding.

the point here is not whether or not there is a problem.

but the magnitude of that problem, and the extent to which it affects users.

as i've said already, an issue which doesn't seem to effect everyone (certainly not to the point where the phone is rendered essentially useless), and can so easily be avoided anyway, really doesn't seem like that big a problem after all.

Iain

Having switched from an HTC Hero, I can vouch for Soundbursts comment. Mine was scratched to pieces and the paint was wearing off at the corners, above the earpiece and on the back. Mass produced handsets which are made to look nice and glossy from the production line but fail to stand up the test of time in the hands of the customer.

Something that could equally apply to Apple. Last time I checked, iPhones weren't made with a Vertu-like standard of material selection and manufacturing.

They're made as cheaply as possible using somewhat dubious working conditions in China.

Perhaps that's why Apple can't seem to put a product out without a design fault. It might have a high purchase price, but it doesn't mean that it is any higher quality.

The iPhone 4's glass back has already been proven to be somewhat more prone to cracking because of its gorilla glass (scratch resistant, but a lot more brittle).

The 3G and 3GS had huge case cracking issues and buttons falling off. The iPod Touch and other iPods have a metal back which is a huge scratch magnet.

I have an HTC Desire and I have no problem with its construction, apart from the way the back cover is held on. It sounds like I am breaking something when I take it off (I'm not, but it sounds like I am)

As a temporary fix could one not turn off Celluar Data Network and maybe even enter dummy info on the Celluar Data settings screen?

And being a Desire owner, you know as well as I do that holding a cheap piece of plastic doesnt feel as solid as holding something like the new iPhone. Lets face it, a smartphone thesedays is a luxury item - the vast majority buy them as a fashion statement or just because its a fun gadget so having it look great is just part and parcel, hence why phones clad in inch thick rubber to protect against ever possible issue are far from being popular.

If you buy a premium product, you want a premium look. The consumer doesnt need to know how a product is made, otherwise the trade of ethical goods would be through the roof. This is just another case of people complaining about something for no reason - if you dont like it, dont buy it. Its really that simple.

Perhaps, AC/DC swings both ways?

Or in the case of the iPhone, you need the (was £25) rubber bumper to mask a design defect.

The rest of your post seems like the usual fanboy denial rubbish. Still, at least most of the other companies can pass the savings from using unethical labour onto me, and not just keep it to themselves AND charge you far more than anyone else for their products.

I keep my phone in a case - in fact, I have three, because I didn't get on much with the other two. Just to protect the screen and stuff when it's in my pocket, and otherwise, it doesn't look like a screen which will scratch easily, but it's the method of controlling the phone, and I don't want it to get damaged, and screen protectors are a right pain in the neck.

It's common sense, it's an expensive item and you want it to last so you look after it, I'm the same with my laptop, and you get surprised how roughly people treat theirs (mainly kids, it has to be said) and then moan when the casing cracks/USB port comes out/power jack snaps when a bit of safer handling would stop it - that said my laptop did escape remarkably unscathed from a somewhat closer encounter with some red french stuff than you'd imagine, the other week.

Sorry, youve went into the territory of blindly calling anyone who doesnt get sucked into the anti-Apple bubble a 'fanboy'. That immediatly makes me disregard any sense you may have had before. I repeat one final time - I was an HTC user and windows mobile : I moved to iPhone recently and think its fantastic. Im not a fanboy, I only own one Apple product and I have an open mind. If you immature morons need to constantly try and pick at people by saying anyone who supports the iphone is a liar or a fanboy, by all means be my guest. All I know is that ive got a phone that makes calls when I want it do, sends txts, lets me access mobile data, listen to music etc etc and it lets me do that with no problems at all. Yes its prone to scratching but so are my glasses and sunglasses, hence why I keep them in a case when im not using them. As for being charged more than anyone else, thats ludicrous. An unlocked iPhone is only marginally more expensive than similar phones. You cant compare it to the current crop of HTC failures, nor can you compare it to a Blackberry because they simply dont compare. Sim free phones are expensive - deal with it. Quit being such a bore and get over your issues with the iphone. Its just a phone, you dont have to use nor do you have to buy it. Resorting to calling someone a fanboy because they appreciate a product is simply a sign of severe idiocy.