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Old 26-07-2010, 18:27
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Personally, The saturdays have all the credentials of being a huge girl band. Three of them, (Rochelle, Una, Vanessa) all have stronge voices, with Frankie and Mollie delivering small parts here and there well, and all there voices together produce good harmonies.

The harmonies and voices in this performance in particular, really shows off their talent, and what a great waste their talent has been so far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOwluHLe8Pc

However, Management have almost killed all reputation of this fun girl band, by introducing pre-recorded vocals to their live performances, and also changing their style from their individual 'fun' colours, into more of a 'slutty' image.

Also, The way the singles have been released also explains why they have not had a no.1 yet..

If this is love, over, Up.
Forever is over, over, Ego.
Missing you, over, Higher.

All of this resulting in a talented girl band, in fear of being dropped.

What are your thoughts?
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Old 26-07-2010, 18:29
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I don't think not having a number 1 is a worry. Up, Issues, Can't get enough and Ego have all sold 200k by not being number 1. Ego has sold very well and yet peaked at the tail end of top 10

I wouldn't say their image is slutty. I would say it's more clean cut and innocent then Sugababes and Girls aloud.
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Old 26-07-2010, 18:31
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well their new manager, who they brought in a few weeks ago, has listened to the fans plee, and are re-introducing their old style, which is good.

but as i said, the times frankie appeared in almost, just a bra, hurt their appearance to many. Which is a shame, because she's hot. LOL.
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Old 26-07-2010, 18:34
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I don't think they're that slutty...but I agree with the singles thing..I'm trying very hard to like Missing You, but I agree that Higher would've definitely been a better choice
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Old 26-07-2010, 18:37
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I agree about Higher. I also wish they re-released Wordshaker and not do a mini album because the mini album already has 3 existing songs from the second album.

Hardly anyone brought wordshaker so it would of been good for the people who didn't have it to buy it with new songs. Like myself. I found it dull but if the new songs from Headlines were included, then i would of got it.
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Old 26-07-2010, 19:02
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the mini album is a bad idea. Most people who have got wordshajer won't fork out for a mini album that has 3 tracks from wordshaker on. hopefully their new management can improve things.
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Old 26-07-2010, 19:08
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However, Management have almost killed all reputation of this fun girl band, by introducing pre-recorded vocals to their live performances, and also changing their style from their individual 'fun' colours, into more of a 'slutty' image.
I agree about the miming. As for their style, the Headlines album cover looks like they're going in a more 'fun' direction. Its very reminiscent of Girls Alouds artwork during the What Will The Neighbours Say era. They definitely need to keep up that kind of look.

Also, The way the singles have been released also explains why they have not had a no.1 yet..

If this is love, over, Up.
Forever is over, over, Ego.
Missing you, over, Higher.
But its not like they've chosen any of those songs 'over' the other one. Some acts just release a buzz single first to get people's attention, then they release a really good second single, which they use to sell the album. But yes, I agree there's much better songs they could have released than If This Is Love, Forever Is Over or Missing You. In fact, bad singles choices are one of my main gripes with The Saturdays.

I think they're doing alright though (apart from Wordshaker obviously). They probably make a lot of money from endorsements and gigs. Also you have to remember Girls Aloud and Sugababes have been the only big UK girl groups around in a long time, so its an achievement that The Saturdays have managed to break through. Especially when you compare them to the likes of Girls Can't Catch or Mini Viva. I know Wordshaker flopped, but Chasing Lights did really well.

Also I agree with musicdude about number ones not being everything. Christina Aguilera's Bionic is a good example. Its more important that it sells consistently over time.
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Old 26-07-2010, 19:37
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The saturdays will NOT get dropped LOL !
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Old 26-07-2010, 19:50
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I'm quite annoyed about this mini-album, because I'm one of the loyal fans (read:mugs) who not only bought Wordshaker, but also bought Forever is Over and Ego as singles to support the girls, despite not actually liking either track. It just feels like a massive rip-off to be expected to buy them and One Shot again just to get four new songs. I know it's in the hope of getting more interest from casual fans, and I'll still buy it, but it's really put me off them.
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Old 26-07-2010, 20:12
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Their management are just bloody awful.

1. If This Is Love as debut single. Fair enough, maybe they wanted to make a buzz before releasing the "proper" album seller but how this was chosen over Keep Her, Fall, Lies, Work is beyond me.

'Up' period was fine. So was 'Issues'. They did a good job releasing Isues as the ballad to sell the album.

2. Comic Relief. What were they thinking? Not even a year into their debut and they're covering Depeche Mode (bound to bring them negative attention whether it as a good cover or not). Plus they had alot of interviews where they would be told "Now the Comic Relief single hasn't missed #1 in years", thus when they got to #2 they ruined the streak and it didn't bring them any good publicity.

3. The 'Work' era was awful. They started promotion for it on Ant and Dec in March 2009 even though the song wasn't released until late June! Promotion was a mess, especially considering it was released during their tour! The video was so desperate that it wasn't funny. I love it but one minute they're in their little coloured outfits looking like angels and the next they're in a warehouse basically looking like tarts. That was just bound to alienate their young fanbase and make the casual music buyer think they're a bunch of sluts.

4. 'Work' left the charts in August and about two weeks later a whole new era had begun with Forever Is Over being leaked online! No break at all between Chasing Lights and Wordshaker. Overkill.

5. 'Forever Is Over' as lead single. Nowhere near strong enough to sell an album on it's own. Doesn't represent their album at all either.

6. Wordshaker being released after one single. Awful decision. They were nowhere near established enough to do that. Also, releasing right before Alexandra, Cheryl, JLS, Leona, Robbie, Whitney, Buble, Subo, Westlife, Rihanna, Bon Jovi, Snow Patrol etc. They didn't stand a chance.

7. Cover art for Wordshaker. Really not visible at all in the shops, title of album was tiny and so were The Sats themselves.

8. Failing to capitalise on the dead market during Spring and releasing One Shot/Wordshaker/Lose Control to keep momentum going for the girls before the EP was announced. Hell, they could have released Here Standing and if it sold the album a bit, great! If not, quickly move on to the EP. They gave up on the era too soon, they should have at least released a ballad to see what happened.

9. Missing You over Higher. This is the era that could rocket The Sats to huge UK success so singles should be chosen wisely. The fact Higher has been praised more than Missing You is not a good sign.

10. Making them mime. They mimed at T4 On The Beach, they mime on GMTV, This Morning, Award Shows, Alan Carr, Dancing On Ice, This Morning everywhere. Very rarely do they sing live and it's just getting them a reputation and turning people off them.

11. Silly reality shows like The Door and Popstar to Operastar are wasting the girls time. Both Vanessa and Frankie failed and were booted out relatively quickly. Again, not making them look very good. Plus sending Frankie and Rochelle on The Buzzcocks was just embarrasing and made them and the band look like idiots.

It all sounds silly and picky, but it all adds up, imo.
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Old 26-07-2010, 20:13
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The saturdays will NOT get dropped LOL !
They will if this ridiculous mini album flops. Which it will.
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Old 26-07-2010, 20:19
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Shadow2009 I won't quote your post because of the length but I agree with every word, well said!
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Old 26-07-2010, 20:29
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Unfortunately I can see a drop coming unless they change their approach to being a successful act or not!
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Old 26-07-2010, 21:10
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I'm sure they'll be picked up by someone else is they are dropped though.
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Old 26-07-2010, 23:01
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um why so many threads about the sats' management? will 1 not suffice OP?

i'm in the minority in that I love If This Is Love, don't like Missing You though.
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Old 27-07-2010, 01:22
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They should follow the way Girls Aloud worked, it hasn't failed so far.
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Old 27-07-2010, 10:42
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um why so many threads about the sats' management? will 1 not suffice OP?

i'm in the minority in that I love If This Is Love, don't like Missing You though.
I shall join you in that
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Old 27-07-2010, 11:29
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The problem with The Saturdays is that they tried to go from Girls Aloud 2003 (fun, colorful cheesey pop) to Girls Aloud 2009 (More mature, e.g. Untouchable)....but in only one year.

I agree with the miming problem. Girls Aloud mimed a heck of a lot in their early years, but then back then everyone mimed on shows like CD:UK, I believe it was actively encouraged.

However in their Out of Control era I don't believe the group mimed AT ALL:

- The Promise
-- Live Lounge was live
-- X Factor was live (Cheryl proved that)
-- JR was live
-- Even their This Morning and GMTV performances were live, which is quite rare for those shows
-- GA Party was live
-- Brits were lvie

- The Loving Kind
-- GA party was live
-- GMTV was live again (Sarah proved that), they really are one of the few acts to sing live on that show
-- Paul O Grady was live (again, Sarah proved that)

- Untouchable
-- DOI seemed to be live

Now GA aren't the best singers, they are great popstars, but if they can sing every performance live, The Sats should easily be able to do so.
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Old 27-07-2010, 13:00
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They will if this ridiculous mini album flops. Which it will.

If the saturdays somehow get dropped they will be picked up faster than lightning! Basically They will not be dropped. There much, much bigger than Sugarbabes and miniviva. i'm sure Polydor will stick by them for another full album
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Old 27-07-2010, 13:02
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I agree. If this flops, i do not think it will be the end of them. They do festivals, edorsements and singles do sell well. They are bringing in money but of course you think of all the money they waste on writers and producers for an album and no money in coming in through sales to make up the budget they spent on the album. Albums are expensive to make and they don't wanna risk doing a tour which is even more expensive if no one goes to it. Which is why it was a good move they did their first tour while the success was flowing.
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Old 27-07-2010, 13:19
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I just think for an act that has only been around for barely 2 years now that they have released far too much already and it just smacks of desperation. Like they are desperate to get that major hit as soon as possible or are paranoid that the public will forget them if they take a few months away from the limelight.
By doing this they aren't allowing their style to develop at all. It just seems like they are throwing everything out there and seeing what will stick.
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Old 27-07-2010, 15:27
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@ Shadow2009 post is too long to quote but even though I'm a big Saturdays fan I agree with all the points mentioned. excellent post.
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Old 27-07-2010, 16:44
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Nothing to do with their management, they are just a bunch of unlikeable girls. Will thankfully be dropped very soon. Total rubbish.
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Old 27-07-2010, 16:49
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I agree with the miming problem. Girls Aloud mimed a heck of a lot in their early years, but then back then everyone mimed on shows like CD:UK, I believe it was actively encouraged.
Even from the Tangled Up era they didn't mime.
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Old 27-07-2010, 16:51
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Nothing to do with their management, they are just a bunch of unlikeable girls. Will thankfully be dropped very soon. Total rubbish.
Agree with that.
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