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Old 21-10-2001, 19:12
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Is any1 else pissed off by the way the likes of Ian Van Dahl can take a song like Elevation by U2 and speed it up and think of it as his own talent?Bloody hell!U2 write the song,pay to make the video,etc etc and then some gobshite with fancy equipment comes along and speeds it up and thinks hes great?Load of bollocks!Speeded up songs always sound shit.Ban this crap now!And as for Atlantic 252 they are the main purveyors and broadcasters of such garbage.Grow up and transmit some talented music why dont you?
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Old 21-10-2001, 21:09
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Gopher - erm -I think you'll find Ian Van Dahl is a woman actually.
Agree with your general point though (collapses with shock) even though Elevation is U2's worst song ever and deserves to be trashed to bits
A mole living in a hole indeed!!!
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Old 21-10-2001, 21:16
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I always thought Ian Van Dahl was the guy in the sunglasses in Castles in the Sky! I did think it odd alright that the woman singing wasnt credited
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Old 22-10-2001, 10:48
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I thought Ian Van Dahl was a DJ and that woman was just some bird who he got to do the vocals

Man her parents are cruel if the woman is called Ian
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Old 23-10-2001, 01:07
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Ian Van Dahl a woman agreed, Elevation is indeed brutal. earlier U2 is much better than the stuff they brought out since the Pop era
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Old 23-10-2001, 01:56
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All That You Can Leave Behind is a stunning album -only Elevation and Beautiful Day are weak. Check out Kite - the song Bono dedicated to his dying dad and the new single Walk On - both stunning.
Greatest U2 song ever - A Sort Of Homecoming - from The unforgettable Fire -pure class!!
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Old 23-10-2001, 09:18
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Theres also a dance re-mix of Coldplays "Don't Panic" by a group called Logo. I know you'll probabaly all disagree with me but I think it sounds excellent compared to coldplays depressing version...

Originally posted by Gopher
And as for Atlantic 252 they are the main purveyors and broadcasters of such garbage.Grow up and transmit some talented music why dont you?
Well, their recent Non Stop Rhythm and Dance format did much better than there rock./alternative format of the lates 90's. Listning figures went up for the first time in years when they dumped all that rock. Same applies for StormLIVE, who almost went bust when playling rock. Hard-Rock still isn't commercial enough to make money which is why there are no rock radio statons.

Sadly though Atlantic will be a sports station soon...
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Old 23-10-2001, 18:24
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Hooray!Maybe now my school bus driver will turn to BBC Radio1 with Moyles in the afternoon as the new official bus music station.Ive been on that bus 3 years now and only about 3 times have we ever had a different station on.
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Old 24-10-2001, 11:25
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Originally posted by Gopher
Hooray!Maybe now my school bus driver will turn to BBC Radio1 with Moyles in the afternoon as the new official bus music station.Ive been on that bus 3 years now and only about 3 times have we ever had a different station on.
Count yourself lucky. At one time I was working somewhere where I had to get the bus home each afternoon, which always had the same driver. He had just two country and western tapes that he would play *every* *single* *day*. Thankfully I moved somewhere else before I went completely mad...
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Old 24-10-2001, 15:13
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Ian Van Dahl is neither a man nor a woman - it's a group according to this site which seems to know what it's talking about!
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Old 24-10-2001, 19:01
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Although you're right, that website does seem to know what it's talking about, I'm pretty sure (unlike Alice Deejay- who are a group) that Ian van Dahl is a woman.
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Old 24-10-2001, 19:07
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I hate most of the dance music, they either have the same beat from start to finish or they nick a song from someone else!!!
Luckerly dance music isnt doing as well as it was back in 98/99, nu metal has taken over
You cant go anywhere now without seeing a teenager in a hoody and a red cap!
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Old 25-10-2001, 18:27
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Bollocks to that. Whilst some dance music (particularly European stuff eg Ian Van Dahl) is a pile of crap there is a lot of great stuff out there and I personally hate all this nu metal.

But everyone likes something different so there's no point arguing.
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Old 25-10-2001, 18:45
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Originally posted by Chris E
Hard-Rock still isn't commercial enough to make money which is why there are no rock radio statons.
Oh right, so what would you call Kerrang! in Manchester then? pop? I bet there are others around the country too. Not commercial enough? Its bigger than dance, Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park are huuuuuuuge, Limp are massive though, doesn't a numebr 1 album and single at the same time count for anything? Linkin Park's album is multi platinum and keeps selling more in the UK. Oh and I suppose I imagined Slipknot having a number 1 album a few weeks ago?! Chris wake up to the fact that rock is big at the moment, and dance is dying!!
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Old 25-10-2001, 20:09
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No, dance is not dying, it has been big, it still is big and will always be big. However you are right in that rock is the current biggest thing (annoying as it is), but it's all a big merry-go-round in what's in the spotlight be it dance, garage, hip hop or nu metal. It is unlikely that any of them are going to die out however (well apart from garage!).

Another point is that dance music tends to be less chart orientated and more focused on clubs and events (Cream, Gatecrasher, Ministry etc) than releasing CDs although occasionally the odd track does break out into the mainstream, but not so much as when it was in the spotlight.
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Old 25-10-2001, 20:34
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Originally posted by *MikeB*

Oh right, so what would you call Kerrang! in Manchester then? pop?
No, a 28 Day low power RSL station that closed down months ago. Funny enough, there was interference to Kerrang by a pirate on 88.0fm playing....Dance & Hip Hop!

Originally posted by *MikeB*
Not commercial enough?
Not for Atlantic 252 and StormLive who have both tried and failed with Rock music...

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Chris wake up to the fact that rock is big at the moment, and dance is dying!!
Don't think so, just look at the top 40 this week...

Dance Tracks
Dt Otzi - Hey Baby
One Night Stand - Misteeq
Flawless - The Ones
2 People - Jean Jacques Smoothie
Starlight - Supermen Lovers
Set You Free - N*Trance
21 Seconds - So Solid Crew


Rock
In The End - Linkin Park
Fat Lip - Sum1 no-ones ever heard...sorry Sum41
Smooth Criminal - Alien Ant Farm
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Old 25-10-2001, 20:52
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Originally posted by Chris E
Dance Tracks
Dt Otzi - Hey Baby
One Night Stand - Misteeq
Flawless - The Ones
2 People - Jean Jacques Smoothie
Starlight - Supermen Lovers
Set You Free - N*Trance
21 Seconds - So Solid Crew


Rock
In The End - Linkin Park
Fat Lip - Sum1 no-ones ever heard...sorry Sum41
Smooth Criminal - Alien Ant Farm
21 seconds hardly qualifies as dance in my book and DJ Otzi's effort of a song just makes me want to puke to be honest. I don't think One Night Stand is really dance either, although I can't quite remember how it goes. Quality songs off that list - In The End, 2 People and Flawless. I did like Smooth Criminal, but I'm getting a bit bored of it now. I tend to sit on the musical fence, judging songs individually, not by the genre they get put in.

As for the kerrang radio station, I know one person who was able to pick it up in Manchester, but not without a hell of a lot of snap, crackle and pop (that's interference to you )
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Old 26-10-2001, 10:28
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Originally posted by Chris E
Not for Atlantic 252 and StormLive who have both tried and failed with Rock music...
I think you're getting a bit mixed up there Chris - StormLive was previously a mix of fairly easy listening music and chat. It's The Storm that does rock, and that's still very much alive. As is Total Rock which does heavy metal.

It makes me mad when people say that all music except what they like is crap. Like any type of art, it's a matter of personal taste. My definition of good music is this:

If at least one person thinks it is good, then it is good!

Just be grateful that these days we have plenty of choice of music channels, both TV and radio, to cater for all tastes. I'm old enough to remember when it was not so!
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Old 26-10-2001, 10:53
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Originally posted by David Robinson
Just be grateful that these days we have plenty of choice of music channels, both TV and radio, to cater for all tastes. I'm old enough to remember when it was not so!
Oh yes... Rockier pop, dancier pop, indie-ish pop, jazzier pop, pop for teenagers, pop for women, pop for people over 40, sixties pop, seventies pop... We are indeed truly blessed.
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Old 26-10-2001, 10:55
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Originally posted by Hayden30
All That You Can Leave Behind is a stunning album -only Elevation and Beautiful Day are weak. Check out Kite - the song Bono dedicated to his dying dad and the new single Walk On - both stunning.
Greatest U2 song ever - A Sort Of Homecoming - from The unforgettable Fire -pure class!!
Have to agree that ATYCLB is a return to form for U2 who begun to lose me with Rattle and Hum, too much self congratulation, and the while 'pop' excursion made me cringe.

Best song ? Bad is up there with A Sort of Homecoming from the UF album, but I prefer the earlier stuff for it's rawness and obvious unhindered talent. Any thing from the October album is great.

Back on subject, I've felt for a long time that there does seem to be little need for talent nowadays, some dance music is great and put together by peopel with real talent Fat Boy Slim and The Lo Fidelity All Stars are 2 such acts, but like any Genre of music there is also a large amount of dross.
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Old 26-10-2001, 11:10
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Originally posted by David Robinson
I think you're getting a bit mixed up there Chris - StormLive was previously a mix of fairly easy listening music and chat.
I always remember it playing quite a lot of Rock orientated music, not as heavy as The Storm or Total Rock though.

At least it sounding better these days...
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Old 01-12-2001, 01:22
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even though Elevation is U2's worst song ever and deserves to be trashed to bits
Wanna take this outside?(j/k)

I like Elevation and its video, its better than some of the cheap videos that you see, DJ Otzi springs to mind. ATYCLB is a great album although i have to admit most of the 'pop' stuff in the 90's was rather dodgy to say the least. IMHO Joshua Tree is the greatest album of all time (and by some coincidence VH1 seem to agree with me ) although ATYCLB comea a close second.

How many bands can say they have their own jet, and one with Elevation written all over it
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Old 01-12-2001, 04:22
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Originally posted by huwdw


Wanna take this outside?(j/k)

I like Elevation and its video, its better than some of the cheap videos that you see, DJ Otzi springs to mind. ATYCLB is a great album although i have to admit most of the 'pop' stuff in the 90's was rather dodgy to say the least. IMHO Joshua Tree is the greatest album of all time (and by some coincidence VH1 seem to agree with me ) although ATYCLB comea a close second.

How many bands can say they have their own jet, and one with Elevation written all over it
Only said that Elevation is U2's worst song ever. To my mind that still makes it 100 times better than 99.9% of the mindless tripe clogging up the radio and the charts at the moment.
Walk On is much better though - good old fashioned powerful U2 anthem
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Old 01-12-2001, 14:02
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Shame Walk on only got to number 5
I was hoping if everyone bought all 3 cd's like i did it might have got to number 1
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Old 04-12-2001, 15:21
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Originally posted by Lee Cool
I hate most of the dance music, they either have the same beat from start to finish
Isn't most music along those lines?

oh BTW I think U2 are pure tack all their damn songs sound the same with that plinky plonking echo ing guitar sound in the background of ALL their songs and dat echoing snare drum as well bloody tacky or what DO SOMETHING NEW!!!
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