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Old 12-06-2004, 09:28
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The show is not that bad (bar the farreiras) so why all the hate towards it and Louise Berridge all soaps go though bad patches EE has only been for bad for about 7 months Corrie went though one for a whole year and not one thing was said so why are people so quick to write Eastenders off for? these past few episodes have not been that bad and Louise Berridge has come out and said that the farreiras have not worked so they still know what they are doing.
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Old 12-06-2004, 10:22
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The reason behind the backclash is we former fans and viewers are disastified with the standard of the show.

Name one story that's been worthwhile in EE over the past 10 months? Answer none. A lot of these stories are hyped up to the eyeballs and are as explosive as opening a packet of crisps. A famous example of this is Laura Beale's death.

The acting is beyond belief. The hopless case Ferrira's, the idiotic annoying Spencer and many other vile actors. Storylines also drag on and on weeks in advance or res-urrected again. In fact its now becoming a challenge to watch this once great show.

Louise Berridge and the BBC have killed the show by going to much on senstionalism and not on character-based storylines. I think with the football starting, EE will struggle ratings-wise.

It won't be long before the show will be getting 2-4 million viewers because people are switching off in droves and the BBC bosses are too thick to understand.
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Old 12-06-2004, 10:35
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Neily is exactly right. As well as that, when Corrie goes through bad patches the producers have actually went away and had a long think about things...filled in the space with light-hearted storylines that keep the viewer at least amused...then we were hit by the Richard Hillman storyline. Fair enough more laid-back storylines won't bring in millions and millions of viewers, but it doesn't put viewers off.

EastEnders at the moment is desperate. It is sensation after sensation and people are just bored.

People are so annoyed about things because EastEnders was for years the best soap - even I admit that, Corrie fan extraordinaire - and now EastEnders resembles nothing of what it once was.
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Old 12-06-2004, 10:40
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Boring storylines and non-interesting charactors!

This seems to be the problem with it at the mo.
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Old 12-06-2004, 10:52
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Originally Posted by TOMMY C
EE has only been for bad for about 7 months
Oh come on! 7 months! The show has been unwatchable for a year/year and a half at least. When can you honestly say was the last time that there was a storyline on Eastenders that you found even half interesting?

The characters are boring, half of them can't act and the sensationalised stories have been thrown at us so many times that it is more intersting watching a scene between Big Mo and Mickey (which is supposedly their comedy element!)
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Old 12-06-2004, 11:44
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I'm not an Eastenders fan and never have been really, however when I was growing up I used to watch it with my mam occasionally and if you compare older episodes to episodes airing now it's pretty obvious that the glory days are long gone.
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Old 12-06-2004, 11:49
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Did Corrie ever sink into the 6 and 7 million range in terms of ratings when they were going threw a bad patch?
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Old 12-06-2004, 11:55
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Originally Posted by WWEDVD1
Did Corrie ever sink into the 6 and 7 million range in terms of ratings when they were going threw a bad patch?
No, but audience figures are lower in general these days anyway. It's all about viewer percentages now.
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Old 12-06-2004, 12:08
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Originally Posted by HotCrossBun
Oh come on! 7 months! The show has been unwatchable for a year/year and a half at least. When can you honestly say was the last time that there was a storyline on Eastenders that you found even half interesting?

The characters are boring, half of them can't act and the sensationalised stories have been thrown at us so many times that it is more intersting watching a scene between Big Mo and Mickey (which is supposedly their comedy element!)
I completely agree with that. Although i wouldn't rather watch Big Mo and Mickey, i just switch off
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Old 12-06-2004, 12:32
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Tommy C, the fact that you can phrase that question in those terms is the whole problem. That seems to be the view of TPTB at EE too - it's not that bad, what's the problem?

It is not just the Ferreiras that are the problem as others have said. There has not been a decent storyline for a year. The only 'high points' have been the acting by Janine, Paul and Nat, and they have left (in fact LB has allegedly actually sacked Paul, which has to be one of her worst judgment calls). In their place we have Spencer, Vicki (think back to that masterful storyline, with them locked in a room together), the Fs, Micki, Gus and Juley, and a host of other truly mediocre actors.

Even when the actors are half decent (Sonia and Martin/ Kat and Alfie) they get given badly written ill-conceived storylines. If anyone working at EE thinks this is adequate, EE is really in the sh*t.

I can remember Corrie being a bit disappointing at various points, but it never sank to such complete depths as EE has. Perhaps that's because they stick to character based storylines, so you can generally believe in what's happening.
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Old 12-06-2004, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Lippincote
Tommy C, the fact that you can phrase that question in those terms is the whole problem. That seems to be the view of TPTB at EE too - it's not that bad, what's the problem?
Maybe that should be Eastenders new tagline.

"Eastenders - It's Not That Bad"
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Old 12-06-2004, 13:30
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The backlash is because I, like many others, used to love that show, and it is now a complete, unwatchable mess. The bad patch has been going on far longer than 7 months, closer to two years, and the show has been sytematically destroyed, not only by the employment of some extremely poor new 'talent' (think Vicki and Spencer ) but also by some extremely bad writing. I'm a Londoner - EE used to be 'my' show - I don't think the current batch of writers have ever stepped out of Elstree, because they obviously have no idea how Londoners talk, behave etc.
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Old 12-06-2004, 13:50
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I don't understand the EE backlash because I don't think the show has become completely unwatchable; there are several things that need to be addressed/fixed, but I'm still making time for it (at the moment). One minute I'll be cursing the lack of realism (like Janine sorting out Barry's funeral in 48 hours), but then some great comic acting from Dot and Jim will bring me back...

I don't know how they are going to stop the decline, but getting rid of more characters isn't going to help (especially as it is the continuous exodus of long term characters [like the Owens] that has caused all of the problems). If the writers can't do anything with the talent that is there (especially people like Raji James), then they are going to succeed with new characters.

And please get rid of Den...
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Old 12-06-2004, 14:34
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Originally Posted by tonywilson
Maybe that should be Eastenders new tagline.

"Eastenders - It's Not That Bad"
Could be on to a winner there.
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Old 12-06-2004, 15:08
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Well it is interesting reading your views all this hate towards Louise Berridge should stop though Brooke wanted to leave she was not axed and I bet you lot did not know that it was in fact John Yorke who invented the farreiras!
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Old 12-06-2004, 16:16
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Originally Posted by TOMMY C
Well it is interesting reading your views all this hate towards Louise Berridge should stop though Brooke wanted to leave she was not axed and I bet you lot did not know that it was in fact John Yorke who invented the farreiras!
Dosent really matter who invented the Ferreiras. They are just the latest in a long line of crap that EE has become. What a pitiful programme EE has become
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Old 12-06-2004, 18:20
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Eastenders had some terrific actors i.e. Charlie Brooks, Tamzin Outhwaite, Martin Kemp, Ross Kemp and still do in the form of Steve McFadden, Raji James, Barbara Windsor, Shane Richie.

But why oh why do they have to have such rubbish in the form of Vicki Watts, Spencer Moon and Juley?

It's a crying shame when Eastenders have to fill their slots with riduculous curry storylines and that silly eviction/ferriera storyline. I think the last half-decent storyline I can remember is the one where Den set up Phil.
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Old 12-06-2004, 18:32
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To be fair to Louise Berridge these past few months alot of storylines had to be rewriten and changed because of issues with
Elaine Lordan and Dalip Tahil thats why silly things like the curry story had to come in.
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Old 12-06-2004, 19:30
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Originally Posted by TOMMY C
To be fair to Louise Berridge these past few months alot of storylines had to be rewriten and changed because of issues with
Elaine Lordan and Dalip Tahil thats why silly things like the curry story had to come in.

Yeah right, those storylines were planned to be crap from Day One. Louise Berridge doesn't care about the show and neither does the BBC.
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Old 12-06-2004, 21:09
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Originally Posted by Neily N
Yeah right, those storylines were planned to be crap from Day One. Louise Berridge doesn't care about the show and neither does the BBC.
And nor do I anymore
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Old 12-06-2004, 21:20
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Originally Posted by TOMMY C
To be fair to Louise Berridge these past few months alot of storylines had to be rewriten and changed because of issues with
Elaine Lordan and Dalip Tahil thats why silly things like the curry story had to come in.
no it didn't,if they had good stories lined up for the two actors mentioned,why not let those stories happen to someone else?when todd carty was ill ,the bill had other people saying his lines and doing his stories till he came back (wish he hadn't though-and i don't wish him bad health,just think he's not up to scratch).
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Old 12-06-2004, 22:33
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Does anyone think the EE media backlash may have anything to do with Coronation Streets current fantastic form? Obviously that’s a subjective point of view, but the consensus in the media does seem to be that Corrie is very good at the moment and EE, well, isn't.

Now, the media seem to be perpetrating the idea that EE at this point is completely sunk - I am a little bit cautious as to take the media portrayal as written- and I personally thought that EEs relative triumph in the recent soap award thing was some evidence that people were still watching and enjoying it.

So my questions are:

A) Does EE current predicament have anything to do with the current form of Corrie?

and B) is it really as bad as they are making out? (Both the situation and the programme...I have never watched personally!)

Sorry, I couldn’t be more concise!
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Old 12-06-2004, 22:50
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Originally Posted by jjthewriter1001
Does anyone think the EE media backlash may have anything to do with Coronation Streets current fantastic form? Obviously that’s a subjective point of view, but the consensus in the media does seem to be that Corrie is very good at the moment and EE, well, isn't.

Now, the media seem to be perpetrating the idea that EE at this point is completely sunk - I am a little bit cautious as to take the media portrayal as written- and I personally thought that EEs relative triumph in the recent soap award thing was some evidence that people were still watching and enjoying it.

So my questions are:

A) Does EE current predicament have anything to do with the current form of Corrie?

and B) is it really as bad as they are making out? (Both the situation and the programme...I have never watched personally!)

Sorry, I couldn’t be more concise!
I don't think much of the backlash is coming from the media. There's been Kat and Alfie on the front of most TV Mags recently (from what I've seen in the newsagents ) and certain publications are very pro-EE.

The most dissatisfaction is with the fans. People know what EE used to be like, and when watching it now it is nothing like what it used to be.

As far as the soap awards are concerned I cannot understand for one minute why EastEnders won - especially after being snubbed by Bafta earlier in the year. I heard rumours that their win was due to a "superior website" and if that's the case then I must agree - ITV have put nothing into representing Coronation Street on the web, and the most part of Coronation Street internet traffic goes to the fan-site Corrie.net.

Onto your questions...
A) Of course it doesn't. EE's bad characters, scripts, comedy, storylines and producer have nothing to do with Corrie's amazing characters, scripts, comedy, storylines and producer! It is just coincidence that EE is very bad whereas Coronation Street is the complete opposite.

B) Yes
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Old 13-06-2004, 00:28
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The programme is just so dark I wish someone would put up new wallpaper and put in 100W lightbulbs.

People need to cheer up, they need to be out in the sun more.

Also, the most annoying thing in the whole programmes is that damn noise in the background of the market.... i really doubt it would be that loud.
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Old 13-06-2004, 02:39
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I'm a huge enders fan and it really really pains me to sit through an episode of late. As everyone has said already its hype hype hype. They've learned nothing from previous years and thats so obvious. The show was praised for the Kat and Zoe storyline becuase it was a moment that just shocked you and it was well written, and nicely directed. Every week there seems to be some stupid event that they obviously hope will have a similar effect and have people saying how great it is again.

Kat and Zoe worked becuase it was a character driven story and was slowly worked into the show. That's the same reason why Richard Hillman in corrie worked, he wasn't just thrown in at the deep end. He was developed.

Now it's all about the big shock of the week/month. The Dirty Den thing is now a joke. I bought into the hype and was on the edge of my seat when "hello princess" was uttered but then what... What does he do except give advice to people and do a few "deals". They went on and on about how they built him a family but it's a family no one even gives a toss about anymore.

The backlash is needed but it seems to be doing no good. A fairground ride collapes... What next? A gas explosion? Bomb in the leisure centre? Helicopter crash??? Let's not forget how Brookie turned into sensational tripe that tried to shock people every other week. Channel 4 launched with Brookside yet didn't think twice about killing it when it became a joke.

Dylan.
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