found it, cheers. just ordered a 1st ed 1st press from amazon. £15 bargain!

just a thought, do the Smash robots count?

Seeing all the rip-off debate reminded me of this thread from 2 years ago.

Basically it's about how much Doctor Who influences other shows and vice versa. In the light of the rip-off debate, thought it was quite relevant!

And it's nice to resurrect my own old thread for a change!

I recently saw the film "unknown" starring Liam Neeson and it reminded me a little of "human nature / family of blood"

not totally, but quite reminiscent in parts.

Well it all depends on one thing...if the Doctor is real. If he is who is betting he has seen all the epsiodes of our lovely show, and taken it back to people who have supposedly been ripped off by the good Doctor, for them to actually rip off from the Doctor, making us fans think when we finally watch the show that it was indeed Doctor Who that ripps off others?

Have been rewatching Buffy the Vampire slayer and the first episode of series 2 could BE an episode of Doctor Who.

Crazy old people start turning up in the city
Demons pose as a church and convince people to join. When they are put into the pool to be "baptised" the baptism takes them to another dimension where they are forced to mine for some unspecified reason. It turns out time runs slower outside the dimension and the crazy old people turning up are people have been pushed out back onto the streets when they can no longer mine, they age 50 years inside the mine but when they are pushed out it's only been a week or so.
Buffy kicks demon butt yada yada yada.
Swap "demon" for "alien", swap "Buffy" for "Doctor", swap "kicks Demon butt" for "kicks alien arse(via science!)"
And you have a ready made New Who.

Has Buffy ever been stated as an influence since the comeback because I'm 99% sure it is.

I think it has had some influence. I know Doctor Who's Classic 22nd Season was a forerunner for the New Series in it's 45 minute format but Buffy I think is closer to the New Series in that both shows, at least during RTD's run, had a Series Arc which wasn't featured every week but was slowly built upto a big finale. There are differences but I think the shows on a certain level are very similar.

Not only that, there have been a few storylines shamelessly nicked from Buffy and Angel as well! Some of them even turned up in Torchwood, where Gwen getting pregnant by an alien is very similar to what happened to Cordelia in Angel's first Series!

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When the show first started the Doctor was basically Jules Verne's Captain Nemo piloting HG Wells' Time Machine.

As time has gone on I think the nods to other sci-fi have been more consistent than the show's influence over what came after.

So for that reason I'd say that it is influenced more than it has influenced.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, better that than a show as repetitive as Star Trek, which interestingly has influenced many other shows a great deal, but I personally preferred B5's analysis of a multi-cultural universe.

I suppose it's like English vs American English ........ the louder voice gets repeated but it's not necessarily the correct pronunciation

Which itself could have been taken from an idea in the first episode of the second series of Star Trek: Next Generation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chi..._Generation%29

And I'm sure that this must have been inspired by a story seen elsewhere, basically storylines do the rounds, particularly when the shows themselves have been going a while. Even Shakespeare got inspiration from other works

I reckon the OPs are right, and the book "Limbo" might
have influenced this idea of the Cybermen.

Hi Hammy! Totally forgot to reply to your post yesterday; I was going to say that you're right, Buffy and Angel themselves were doubtless influenced by similar series such as you have described. I'm sure planting an alien seed in a woman to get her pregnant was done way before Angel.

All I was saying is that I think RTD must have been a fan because in another episode(not sure which show this was) he did take some ideas from another Buffy or Angel episode but can't remember which one it is at the moment.

Was watching Fringe and a there`s been lots of who references, most memorable is them using the Alias`s Baker, McCoy, Davison.

Also anyone who`s played Fall out New Vegas and got the sierra Madre add on may have noticed on one of the ways "Are you my mommy?"

Actually, he did that loads, the amount of stufff he ripped off....

I really dont get all the fuss with Shakespeare, if he's 10's favourite writer but Dickens is 9's favourite, then I DEFINATELY prefer 9's taste in literature. Dickens might have been repetitive, but a lot of his was really original+good. Shakespeare isnt only a bit repetitive, virtually all his works are either "historical" stories, or rips offs of older stories.

Maybe, but it's what he did with them that counted.