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Old 31-07-2010, 19:24
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Seems a bit strange that he's waited 43 years to sue them, he has a case though, here's the two songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auDv6cf2PBM
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Old 31-07-2010, 20:34
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Yes...pretty blatant steal. Jake Holmes supported the Yardbirds during Page's tenure so I guess that's where he heard it. The Zep ripped off quite a few old blues guys as well - but pretty much every Brit rock band did in the 60s.

You might recognise this Small Faces track as well...but they nicked it from Willie Dixon anyway.
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Old 31-07-2010, 21:17
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Yeah Whole Lotta Love, a rip off of a rip off.
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Old 01-08-2010, 00:32
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Apart from the fact that it is credited as a Led Zeppelin composition on the first LP, even though The Yardbirds were filmed playing it in 1968!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mQvW0ROag

Anyway, as a guitarist Page is pretty meh, got a good bootleg were his playing is really awfull
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Old 01-08-2010, 02:02
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Apart from the fact that it is credited as a Led Zeppelin composition on the first LP, even though The Yardbirds were filmed playing it in 1968!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mQvW0ROag

Anyway, as a guitarist Page is pretty meh, got a good bootleg were his playing is really awfull
I think that's why I like him...he's come up with all these classic bonecrunching riffs, but he's sloppy as fcuk!
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Old 01-08-2010, 09:22
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. The Zep ripped off quite a few old blues guys as well - but pretty much every Brit rock band did in the 60s.
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indeed that was the case, and no one really cared.

if anyone remembers that tv doc 'john lennons jukebox' from a few years ago, it highlighted on that just how many early beatles tracks borrowed riffs from more obscure american rock n roll tracks.

imho its just plain daft to wait this long to sue them. there should be a statute of limitations on it.
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Old 01-08-2010, 09:28
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I think Led Zeppelin were really the only one though who passed rearangements of old blues songs as their own. Cream used to credit the old bluesmen, crossroads by Cream is nothing like the old blues song by Robert Johnson but it is he who has the album credit.
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Old 01-08-2010, 11:55
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I think Led Zeppelin were really the only one though who passed rearangements of old blues songs as their own. Cream used to credit the old bluesmen, crossroads by Cream is nothing like the old blues song by Robert Johnson but it is he who has the album credit.
Yes...Led Zep and the Jeff Beck Group were the most blatant as they sometimes didn't change that much. Some of the Jeff Beck Group songs are now credited to the original writers...like 'Rock My Plimsoul'.
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Old 02-08-2010, 14:49
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That's the least of Page's worries, if we're talking outstanding justice from the past there's still a chance he'll could get tried as a paedophile for bedding Lori Maddox while she was still underage.
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Old 03-08-2010, 09:33
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That's the least of Page's worries, if we're talking outstanding justice from the past there's still a chance he'll could get tried as a paedophile for bedding Lori Maddox while she was still underage.
Considering the term "paedophile" doesn't exist in law I can't see how he can be done for that. If you mean having sex with an under-age girl, then I doubt it would come to court now, assuming there was a case to answer of course..
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Old 10-08-2010, 15:34
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Considering the term "paedophile" doesn't exist in law I can't see how he can be done for that. If you mean having sex with an under-age girl, then I doubt it would come to court now, assuming there was a case to answer of course..
Wow- I love a bit of pedantry! Clinical term or whatever, you clearly know what I meant. Who says It couldn't go to court? Maybe not this case but I wouldn't be surprised if there was alot more retrospective charging in the future. There is not cut off point as long as those involved are still alive. After all that's what happened to Jonathan King.
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Old 10-08-2010, 17:20
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Wow- I love a bit of pedantry! Clinical term or whatever, you clearly know what I meant. Who says It couldn't go to court? Maybe not this case but I wouldn't be surprised if there was alot more retrospective charging in the future. There is not cut off point as long as those involved are still alive. After all that's what happened to Jonathan King.
Well, in cases of law you need to be as pedantic as you possibly can. Lori Maddox was not pre pubescent thus it is incorrect to use the word paedophile and the defence attorney would make damn sure the jury knew it. The charge would of course be statutory rape and Lori Maddox would have to come forward and make a complaint against any one of the multiple partners she had during those wild years as a groupie.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:36
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Wow- I love a bit of pedantry! Clinical term or whatever, you clearly know what I meant. Who says It couldn't go to court? Maybe not this case but I wouldn't be surprised if there was alot more retrospective charging in the future. There is not cut off point as long as those involved are still alive. After all that's what happened to Jonathan King.
As Dai pointed out I wasn't being pedantic as the girl involved wasn't pre-pubescent. Therefore to suggest Jimmy Page would be tried as a paedophile is tboth incorrect and inaccurate.

In the case of Jonathan King those involved made a complaint to the police who investigated and found a case to answer.

If the police felt there was a case to answer they know the girl involved, Lori Maddox , so I am quite sure they would have investigated it by now. The fact they haven't suggests there isn't enough evidenct to bring a case to trial.

Even if it were to get to trial, given Lori Maddox' admission of her lifestyle at the time it wouldn't be too difficult for a defence team to get the case thrown out.
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:51
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As Dai pointed out I wasn't being pedantic as the girl involved wasn't pre-pubescent. Therefore to suggest Jimmy Page would be tried as a paedophile is tboth incorrect and inaccurate.

In the case of Jonathan King those involved made a complaint to the police who investigated and found a case to answer.

If the police felt there was a case to answer they know the girl involved, Lori Maddox , so I am quite sure they would have investigated it by now. The fact they haven't suggests there isn't enough evidenct to bring a case to trial.

Even if it were to get to trial, given Lori Maddox' admission of her lifestyle at the time it wouldn't be too difficult for a defence team to get the case thrown out.
I agree probably not in this case. She knew what she was doing and was even impressed when she was "kidnapped" and brought to Page's room . I find the whole Led Zep story really unpleasant. They were generally a bunch of kuntz, Bonham especially even though he is regarded as a dead hero.
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Old 12-08-2010, 11:52
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I agree probably not in this case. She knew what she was doing and was even impressed when she was "kidnapped" and brought to Page's room . I find the whole Led Zep story really unpleasant. They were generally a bunch of kuntz, Bonham especially even though he is regarded as a dead hero.
I think they were of their time.

Their management team set up an aura of "Rock Gods" around them and, as most young men of that age would do, given their money and the availaility of women, alcohol, and drugs, they took full advantage of it.

In those days the idea of them being held up as "role" models for young people would have been seen as laughable.

Whilst Led Zepplin too things to excess bands like The Rolling Stones and The Who, even the likes of The Bay City Rollers and The Beatles, weren't that far behind in many respects.
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