Jailbreaking - the facts

boyzie · 04-08-2010, 10:00

Quote:

There isn't really any excuse for theft when the app store apps cost so little.

I'm not condoning pirate apps but something like Tom Tom at £50. is not exactly peanuts.And a lot of apps are just crap and you don't know til you have paid for them.
But a jailbreak for me is essential,it is modded to the hilt and runs how I want it to,not how Apple wants me to run it.I paid good money for my phone and I should,and I do,have on it,and run it how I want.

john_locke · 04-08-2010, 11:56

So what is a reasonable amount ? £ 40 ? £ 30 ? Standard pirate's reasoning. What's wrong with copilot at £20? Thieves will justify their actions however they like as per usual. Less than 5 years ago a tom-tom was £350 as a standalone unit, now all of that development and engineering is a bit steep at £50 in its software version apparently. I hope you don't mind people nicking whatever it is you produce for a living.

ohirome · 04-08-2010, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyzie

I'm not condoning pirate apps but something like Tom Tom at £50. is not exactly peanuts.And a lot of apps are just crap and you don't know til you have paid for them.
But a jailbreak for me is essential,it is modded to the hilt and runs how I want it to,not how Apple wants me to run it.I paid good money for my phone and I should,and I do,have on it,and run it how I want.

Most crap apps are 59p and you know what youre getting before you download - TomTom etc are high profile specially designed pieces of software which replace higher end GPS units which retail for much more than £50.

moox · 04-08-2010, 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by john_locke

So what is a reasonable amount ? £ 40 ? £ 30 ? Standard pirate's reasoning. What's wrong with copilot at £20? Thieves will justify their actions however they like as per usual. Less than 5 years ago a tom-tom was £350 as a standalone unit, now all of that development and engineering is a bit steep at £50 in its software version apparently. I hope you don't mind people nicking whatever it is you produce for a living.

£50 plus £100 or whatever for the car mount that makes it work properly.

At that price you might as well go and buy a hardware TomTom device.

john_locke · 04-08-2010, 12:33

Never needed the £100 device on my 3G, worked fine without it. Works fine without it on the 4 too. Besides, the point is to not be carrying yet another box around, isn't it?

jonner101 · 04-08-2010, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyzie

I'm not condoning pirate apps but something like Tom Tom at £50. is not exactly peanuts.And a lot of apps are just crap and you don't know til you have paid for them.
But a jailbreak for me is essential,it is modded to the hilt and runs how I want it to,not how Apple wants me to run it.I paid good money for my phone and I should,and I do,have on it,and run it how I want.

The money you paid for the phone is irrelevant as it does NOT include 3rd party software like Tom Tom. The £50 represents the investment and costs that Tom Tom took to develop the software and the market. If you jailbreak the phone and illegally download it, then you are doing the same as someone shoplifting a sat nav unit from a retail store and in my book that is theft.

caboose · 04-08-2010, 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonner101

If you jailbreak the phone and illegally download it, then you are doing the same as someone shoplifting a sat nav unit from a retail store and in my book that is theft.

If you steal a sat nav unit from a shop you are taking a physical item which has to be replaced. illegally downloading is copying the item so the person you copy it from still has their original software.

There is a big difference between copyright infringement and shoplifting, with one you are taking an item from someone and the other you are copying their item but they still have their original one.

jonner101 · 04-08-2010, 17:11

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Originally Posted by thedrewser

I've got an iPhone 3GS bought in May this year, so still under warranty, so hesitant about jailbreaking as this would obviously void the warranty.

However, I keep hearing that jailbreaking is safe and you can always reverse it by doing a factory restore. I was wondering if anybody could point out to me any issues that, should I jailbreak (warranty issues aside) I should be aware of. Are there any dangers? Is there ever the danger that if my phone got corrupted some way that it might not be possible to do a factory restore and hence get warranty protection.

Many thanks.

Jailbreaking is fairly safe as its very difficult if not impossible for the phone to be in a state where you can't get it into DFU mode.

One important thing to be aware of though if you do jailbreak it and install ssh is to make sure you change the root password ( by default the root password is 'alpine' ) otherwise your phone is very vunerable to being infected by a worm or trojan like this

john_locke · 04-08-2010, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by caboose

If you steal a sat nav unit from a shop you are taking a physical item which has to be replaced. illegally downloading is copying the item so the person you copy it from still has their original software.

There is a big difference between copyright infringement and shoplifting, with one you are taking an item from someone and the other you are copying their item but they still have their original one.

Wrong. You are depriving the software licensee of his fee for your using his software, which is exactly the same as shoplifting as it represents an equal deprivation of income.

(here comes the "well i would never buy it for that money in the real world so he's not really being deprived of anything" argument)

mikey86uk · 04-08-2010, 20:17

i might look at jailbreaking my old 3GS

although all the themes ive seen are UGLY!!! and what 3rd party apps are there?

Matt D · 05-08-2010, 20:34

Themes tend to be crap/pointless, IMO.

Stuff I've installed (or previously installed) includes...

SBSettings (free): Gives you a customisable set of "toggles" which appear when swiping the status bar at the top, enabling quick on/off of WiFi, 3G & other things, plus a process manager. Very handy.

Five Icon Dock & Five Column Springboard (both free): They do as their names suggest. Not too bothered about them now that iOS4 has folders, as I don't need to cram as many icons in anymore.

IntelliScreen (paid for): I'm currently trying the demo of this, & may well buy it. It lets you add widgets to the lockscreen, so that you can see your email, SMS, upcoming calendar appointments, weather & news without having to unlock the phone. Alternatives include SmartScreen & Cydget (both free, but need add-ons, plus AFAIK not yet iOS4 compatible). There's also one called LockCalendar, but I think that purely adds appointments to the lockscreen (given the name).

Other I may try include...

MyWi or PDANet: Use your iPhone as a wireless hotspot for your laptop, iPad, etc., without having to pay your Network extra for Tethering. Would be very handy for anyone planning on getting an iPad, as you could save £100 by getting the WiFi only version & then have the iPad use the iPhone's 3G.

My3G or 3G Unrestrictor: These both let you use WiFi-only apps over 3G (e.g. iPlayer, Facetime).

boyzie · 06-08-2010, 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonner101

The money you paid for the phone is irrelevant as it does NOT include 3rd party software like Tom Tom. The £50 represents the investment and costs that Tom Tom took to develop the software and the market. If you jailbreak the phone and illegally download it, then you are doing the same as someone shoplifting a sat nav unit from a retail store and in my book that is theft.

The point I was trying to make was that if I pay £350 for a phone I should not be told what I can and cannot have on it.It is my phone.The reason I quoted the TOM TOM was only cos somebody suggested that all apps were costing peanuts.I have a standalone TOM TOM but use Navigon on my phone now (paid for btw).And no,downloading a pirate app is NOT the same as shoplifting,ask the courts.
But as I said previously I do NOT condone pirated apps.

jonner101 · 06-08-2010, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyzie

The point I was trying to make was that if I pay £350 for a phone I should not be told what I can and cannot have on it.It is my phone.The reason I quoted the TOM TOM was only cos somebody suggested that all apps were costing peanuts.I have a standalone TOM TOM but use Navigon on my phone now (paid for btw).And no,downloading a pirate app is NOT the same as shoplifting,ask the courts.
But as I said previously I do NOT condone pirated apps.

How on earth are you told what you can or cannot have on your phone ???? There are tens of thousands of third party apps available which you are free to purchase or not purchase.

What is the price of the phone have to do with it ? does that mean if I buy a ferrari for £100,000 without sat nav, I then have the right to go into a store and shoplift one

YES downloading an application illegally is theft end of.

moox · 06-08-2010, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonner101

How on earth are you told what you can or cannot have on your phone ???? There are tens of thousands of third party apps available which you are free to purchase or not purchase.

What is the price of the phone have to do with it ? does that mean if I buy a ferrari for £100,000 without sat nav, I then have the right to go into a store and shoplift one

Because you can only download applications from the App Store.

Applications are only allowed onto the App Store if they are permitted by Apple and meet a set of obscure criteria, that seems to change based on which side of the bed that Jobs got out of that day.

You are therefore only allowed to buy or download apps that Apple allows you to have.

psionic · 06-08-2010, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by moox

Because you can only download applications from the App Store.

Applications are only allowed onto the App Store if they are permitted by Apple and meet a set of obscure criteria, that seems to change based on which side of the bed that Jobs got out of that day.

You are therefore only allowed to buy or download apps that Apple allows you to have.

Which is why many people Jailbreak - the whole point of this thread. There is loads of stuff available without using Apple's App Store both free and paid for.

jonner101 · 06-08-2010, 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by moox

Because you can only download applications from the App Store.

Applications are only allowed onto the App Store if they are permitted by Apple and meet a set of obscure criteria, that seems to change based on which side of the bed that Jobs got out of that day.

You are therefore only allowed to buy or download apps that Apple allows you to have.

What are the obscure criteria...? I've never had a problem getting apps approved. Its all pretty straightforward. Anyway I've no objection to people jailbreaking the phone and running apps from cydia ( some of which you have to pay for )

moox · 06-08-2010, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonner101

What are the obscure criteria...? I've never had a problem getting apps approved. Its all pretty straightforward. Anyway I've no objection to people jailbreaking the phone and running apps from cydia ( some of which you have to pay for )

If you're a developer, you'll have signed the relevant NDAs and other paperwork to get access to some of the criteria, as well as paying the ridiculous $99 to be able to run your own code on your own device.

I was referring to the somewhat arbitrary approval process, where some apps are approved yet other similar ones are not. There's also Apple's ability to retroactively revoke its approval of any apps it likes, which it has used on occasion.

They have also added criteria to its list specifically to block companies it doesn't like - see Adobe's Flash converter for the iOS. Adobe spent a lot of time making it, and at the last minute Jobs/Apple decided to issue an edict banning anything that wasn't written in objective C.

Even with all this rigorous scrutiny, they managed to approve an app that claimed to be a torch but contained a hidden PDAnet-like tethering program.

neil79 · 06-08-2010, 16:45

Just noticed Voda have added a load of unwanted stuff to a HTC Desire

There is no way Apple would let the networks do this

Yes I can see why some Android OS users would want to jailbrake their phones

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...re-owners.html

DotNetWill · 06-08-2010, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonner101

There isn't really any excuse for theft when the app store apps cost so little.

While I agree with what you're saying and I'm a pro dev that makes money through license sales but pirating software is not theft. Here is a handy guide

Eater Sundae · 06-08-2010, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by caboose

If you steal a sat nav unit from a shop you are taking a physical item which has to be replaced. illegally downloading is copying the item so the person you copy it from still has their original software.

There is a big difference between copyright infringement and shoplifting, with one you are taking an item from someone and the other you are copying their item but they still have their original one.

They still have the original, but it is now worth less. You have taken away some of the value of what they have. That is still theft.

Edit for clarification. It isn't the reduction in value that makes it theft. It is theft anyway. The reference to value is to counter the assertion that the original owner has not lost out (and therefore the implied result that it doesn't matter and is therefore not theft).

DotNetWill · 07-08-2010, 08:13

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Originally Posted by Eater Sundae

They still have the original, but it is now worth less. You have taken away some of the value of what they have. That is still theft.

Edit for clarification. It isn't the reduction in value that makes it theft. It is theft anyway. The reference to value is to counter the assertion that the original owner has not lost out (and therefore the implied result that it doesn't matter and is therefore not theft).

Even the courts disagree with you. That's why people are taken to civil court for copyright infringement by the RIAA and not criminal court on theft charges.

I agree whatever it's called it's wrong but people need to stop saying it's theft, because it's NOT.

alanwarwic · 07-08-2010, 11:45

So what's everyone doing about the security hole?

I assume that the eventual Apple update will unjailbreak it in addition to closing the virus risk..

Somner · 08-08-2010, 16:57

Is it possible to view web flash (videos etc) with a Jailbroken iPhone? That's the only thing that I would jailbreak it for.

Pidge · 08-08-2010, 19:42

I jailbroke mine then got bored as I never used anything i added too it and it just took space up on my phone so un jailbroke it!!

TelevisionUser · 08-08-2010, 19:52

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Originally Posted by darren221980

Jailbreaking is a must for me as it opens up the iphone to so much more. For example Facetime on the Iphone 4 on a unjailbroken phone only works on wifi, but once jailbroken it will work over 3g.

Also as mentioned 3rd party apps can be installed and also you can get app store apps free if you look in the right places (before anyone moans at me for promoting piracy, i'm just providing facts).

In a historic legal decision by the US Copyright Office and the Library of Congress, Apple lost their recent attempt to make jailbreaking a criminal offence in the USA. There's more on this story here: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...e_jailbreaking.

Irrespective of what jailbreaking does to your iPhone and its warranty, it's certainly been clarified that it's not an illegal act now.

04-08-2010, 10:00	#26
boyzie Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St Osyth Posts: 3,249	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 There isn't really any excuse for theft when the app store apps cost so little. I'm not condoning pirate apps but something like Tom Tom at £50. is not exactly peanuts.And a lot of apps are just crap and you don't know til you have paid for them. But a jailbreak for me is essential,it is modded to the hilt and runs how I want it to,not how Apple wants me to run it.I paid good money for my phone and I should,and I do,have on it,and run it how I want.

04-08-2010, 11:56	#27
john_locke Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,367	So what is a reasonable amount ? £ 40 ? £ 30 ? Standard pirate's reasoning. What's wrong with copilot at £20? Thieves will justify their actions however they like as per usual. Less than 5 years ago a tom-tom was £350 as a standalone unit, now all of that development and engineering is a bit steep at £50 in its software version apparently. I hope you don't mind people nicking whatever it is you produce for a living.

04-08-2010, 11:59	#28
ohirome Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Glasgow Posts: 2,673	Quote: Originally Posted by boyzie I'm not condoning pirate apps but something like Tom Tom at £50. is not exactly peanuts.And a lot of apps are just crap and you don't know til you have paid for them. But a jailbreak for me is essential,it is modded to the hilt and runs how I want it to,not how Apple wants me to run it.I paid good money for my phone and I should,and I do,have on it,and run it how I want. Most crap apps are 59p and you know what youre getting before you download - TomTom etc are high profile specially designed pieces of software which replace higher end GPS units which retail for much more than £50.

04-08-2010, 12:19	#29
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by john_locke So what is a reasonable amount ? £ 40 ? £ 30 ? Standard pirate's reasoning. What's wrong with copilot at £20? Thieves will justify their actions however they like as per usual. Less than 5 years ago a tom-tom was £350 as a standalone unit, now all of that development and engineering is a bit steep at £50 in its software version apparently. I hope you don't mind people nicking whatever it is you produce for a living. £50 plus £100 or whatever for the car mount that makes it work properly. At that price you might as well go and buy a hardware TomTom device.

04-08-2010, 12:33	#30
john_locke Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,367	Never needed the £100 device on my 3G, worked fine without it. Works fine without it on the 4 too. Besides, the point is to not be carrying yet another box around, isn't it?

04-08-2010, 14:39	#31
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by boyzie I'm not condoning pirate apps but something like Tom Tom at £50. is not exactly peanuts.And a lot of apps are just crap and you don't know til you have paid for them. But a jailbreak for me is essential,it is modded to the hilt and runs how I want it to,not how Apple wants me to run it.I paid good money for my phone and I should,and I do,have on it,and run it how I want. The money you paid for the phone is irrelevant as it does NOT include 3rd party software like Tom Tom. The £50 represents the investment and costs that Tom Tom took to develop the software and the market. If you jailbreak the phone and illegally download it, then you are doing the same as someone shoplifting a sat nav unit from a retail store and in my book that is theft.

04-08-2010, 15:12	#32
caboose Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Swanage, Dorset Posts: 119	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 If you jailbreak the phone and illegally download it, then you are doing the same as someone shoplifting a sat nav unit from a retail store and in my book that is theft. If you steal a sat nav unit from a shop you are taking a physical item which has to be replaced. illegally downloading is copying the item so the person you copy it from still has their original software. There is a big difference between copyright infringement and shoplifting, with one you are taking an item from someone and the other you are copying their item but they still have their original one.

04-08-2010, 17:11	#33
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by thedrewser I've got an iPhone 3GS bought in May this year, so still under warranty, so hesitant about jailbreaking as this would obviously void the warranty. However, I keep hearing that jailbreaking is safe and you can always reverse it by doing a factory restore. I was wondering if anybody could point out to me any issues that, should I jailbreak (warranty issues aside) I should be aware of. Are there any dangers? Is there ever the danger that if my phone got corrupted some way that it might not be possible to do a factory restore and hence get warranty protection. Many thanks. Jailbreaking is fairly safe as its very difficult if not impossible for the phone to be in a state where you can't get it into DFU mode. One important thing to be aware of though if you do jailbreak it and install ssh is to make sure you change the root password ( by default the root password is 'alpine' ) otherwise your phone is very vunerable to being infected by a worm or trojan like this

04-08-2010, 19:25	#34
john_locke Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,367	Quote: Originally Posted by caboose If you steal a sat nav unit from a shop you are taking a physical item which has to be replaced. illegally downloading is copying the item so the person you copy it from still has their original software. There is a big difference between copyright infringement and shoplifting, with one you are taking an item from someone and the other you are copying their item but they still have their original one. Wrong. You are depriving the software licensee of his fee for your using his software, which is exactly the same as shoplifting as it represents an equal deprivation of income. (here comes the "well i would never buy it for that money in the real world so he's not really being deprived of anything" argument)

04-08-2010, 20:17	#35
mikey86uk Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 5,525	i might look at jailbreaking my old 3GS although all the themes ive seen are UGLY!!! and what 3rd party apps are there?

05-08-2010, 20:34	#36
Matt D Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 13,064	Themes tend to be crap/pointless, IMO. Stuff I've installed (or previously installed) includes... SBSettings (free): Gives you a customisable set of "toggles" which appear when swiping the status bar at the top, enabling quick on/off of WiFi, 3G & other things, plus a process manager. Very handy. Five Icon Dock & Five Column Springboard (both free): They do as their names suggest. Not too bothered about them now that iOS4 has folders, as I don't need to cram as many icons in anymore. IntelliScreen (paid for): I'm currently trying the demo of this, & may well buy it. It lets you add widgets to the lockscreen, so that you can see your email, SMS, upcoming calendar appointments, weather & news without having to unlock the phone. Alternatives include SmartScreen & Cydget (both free, but need add-ons, plus AFAIK not yet iOS4 compatible). There's also one called LockCalendar, but I think that purely adds appointments to the lockscreen (given the name). Other I may try include... MyWi or PDANet: Use your iPhone as a wireless hotspot for your laptop, iPad, etc., without having to pay your Network extra for Tethering. Would be very handy for anyone planning on getting an iPad, as you could save £100 by getting the WiFi only version & then have the iPad use the iPhone's 3G. My3G or 3G Unrestrictor: These both let you use WiFi-only apps over 3G (e.g. iPlayer, Facetime).

06-08-2010, 10:01	#37
boyzie Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St Osyth Posts: 3,249	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 The money you paid for the phone is irrelevant as it does NOT include 3rd party software like Tom Tom. The £50 represents the investment and costs that Tom Tom took to develop the software and the market. If you jailbreak the phone and illegally download it, then you are doing the same as someone shoplifting a sat nav unit from a retail store and in my book that is theft. The point I was trying to make was that if I pay £350 for a phone I should not be told what I can and cannot have on it.It is my phone.The reason I quoted the TOM TOM was only cos somebody suggested that all apps were costing peanuts.I have a standalone TOM TOM but use Navigon on my phone now (paid for btw).And no,downloading a pirate app is NOT the same as shoplifting,ask the courts. But as I said previously I do NOT condone pirated apps.

06-08-2010, 12:20	#38
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by boyzie The point I was trying to make was that if I pay £350 for a phone I should not be told what I can and cannot have on it.It is my phone.The reason I quoted the TOM TOM was only cos somebody suggested that all apps were costing peanuts.I have a standalone TOM TOM but use Navigon on my phone now (paid for btw).And no,downloading a pirate app is NOT the same as shoplifting,ask the courts. But as I said previously I do NOT condone pirated apps. How on earth are you told what you can or cannot have on your phone ???? There are tens of thousands of third party apps available which you are free to purchase or not purchase. What is the price of the phone have to do with it ? does that mean if I buy a ferrari for £100,000 without sat nav, I then have the right to go into a store and shoplift one YES downloading an application illegally is theft end of.

06-08-2010, 12:29	#39
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 How on earth are you told what you can or cannot have on your phone ???? There are tens of thousands of third party apps available which you are free to purchase or not purchase. What is the price of the phone have to do with it ? does that mean if I buy a ferrari for £100,000 without sat nav, I then have the right to go into a store and shoplift one Because you can only download applications from the App Store. Applications are only allowed onto the App Store if they are permitted by Apple and meet a set of obscure criteria, that seems to change based on which side of the bed that Jobs got out of that day. You are therefore only allowed to buy or download apps that Apple allows you to have.

06-08-2010, 12:49	#40
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by moox Because you can only download applications from the App Store. Applications are only allowed onto the App Store if they are permitted by Apple and meet a set of obscure criteria, that seems to change based on which side of the bed that Jobs got out of that day. You are therefore only allowed to buy or download apps that Apple allows you to have. Which is why many people Jailbreak - the whole point of this thread. There is loads of stuff available without using Apple's App Store both free and paid for.

06-08-2010, 12:54	#41
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by moox Because you can only download applications from the App Store. Applications are only allowed onto the App Store if they are permitted by Apple and meet a set of obscure criteria, that seems to change based on which side of the bed that Jobs got out of that day. You are therefore only allowed to buy or download apps that Apple allows you to have. What are the obscure criteria...? I've never had a problem getting apps approved. Its all pretty straightforward. Anyway I've no objection to people jailbreaking the phone and running apps from cydia ( some of which you have to pay for )

06-08-2010, 15:42	#42
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 What are the obscure criteria...? I've never had a problem getting apps approved. Its all pretty straightforward. Anyway I've no objection to people jailbreaking the phone and running apps from cydia ( some of which you have to pay for ) If you're a developer, you'll have signed the relevant NDAs and other paperwork to get access to some of the criteria, as well as paying the ridiculous $99 to be able to run your own code on your own device. I was referring to the somewhat arbitrary approval process, where some apps are approved yet other similar ones are not. There's also Apple's ability to retroactively revoke its approval of any apps it likes, which it has used on occasion. They have also added criteria to its list specifically to block companies it doesn't like - see Adobe's Flash converter for the iOS. Adobe spent a lot of time making it, and at the last minute Jobs/Apple decided to issue an edict banning anything that wasn't written in objective C. Even with all this rigorous scrutiny, they managed to approve an app that claimed to be a torch but contained a hidden PDAnet-like tethering program.

06-08-2010, 16:45	#43
neil79 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 506	Just noticed Voda have added a load of unwanted stuff to a HTC Desire There is no way Apple would let the networks do this Yes I can see why some Android OS users would want to jailbrake their phones http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...re-owners.html

06-08-2010, 20:46	#44
DotNetWill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 4,398	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 There isn't really any excuse for theft when the app store apps cost so little. While I agree with what you're saying and I'm a pro dev that makes money through license sales but pirating software is not theft. Here is a handy guide

06-08-2010, 22:57	#45
Eater Sundae Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,674	Quote: Originally Posted by caboose If you steal a sat nav unit from a shop you are taking a physical item which has to be replaced. illegally downloading is copying the item so the person you copy it from still has their original software. There is a big difference between copyright infringement and shoplifting, with one you are taking an item from someone and the other you are copying their item but they still have their original one. They still have the original, but it is now worth less. You have taken away some of the value of what they have. That is still theft. Edit for clarification. It isn't the reduction in value that makes it theft. It is theft anyway. The reference to value is to counter the assertion that the original owner has not lost out (and therefore the implied result that it doesn't matter and is therefore not theft).

07-08-2010, 08:13	#46
DotNetWill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 4,398	Quote: Originally Posted by Eater Sundae They still have the original, but it is now worth less. You have taken away some of the value of what they have. That is still theft. Edit for clarification. It isn't the reduction in value that makes it theft. It is theft anyway. The reference to value is to counter the assertion that the original owner has not lost out (and therefore the implied result that it doesn't matter and is therefore not theft). Even the courts disagree with you. That's why people are taken to civil court for copyright infringement by the RIAA and not criminal court on theft charges. I agree whatever it's called it's wrong but people need to stop saying it's theft, because it's NOT.

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Jailbreaking - the facts

07-08-2010, 11:45	#47
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	So what's everyone doing about the security hole? I assume that the eventual Apple update will unjailbreak it in addition to closing the virus risk..

08-08-2010, 16:57	#48
Somner Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,617	Is it possible to view web flash (videos etc) with a Jailbroken iPhone? That's the only thing that I would jailbreak it for.

08-08-2010, 19:42	#49
Pidge Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Earth Posts: 1,603	I jailbroke mine then got bored as I never used anything i added too it and it just took space up on my phone so un jailbroke it!!

08-08-2010, 19:52	#50
TelevisionUser Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Storbritannia Posts: 28,930	Quote: Originally Posted by darren221980 Jailbreaking is a must for me as it opens up the iphone to so much more. For example Facetime on the Iphone 4 on a unjailbroken phone only works on wifi, but once jailbroken it will work over 3g. Also as mentioned 3rd party apps can be installed and also you can get app store apps free if you look in the right places (before anyone moans at me for promoting piracy, i'm just providing facts). In a historic legal decision by the US Copyright Office and the Library of Congress, Apple lost their recent attempt to make jailbreaking a criminal offence in the USA. There's more on this story here: http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...e_jailbreaking. Irrespective of what jailbreaking does to your iPhone and its warranty, it's certainly been clarified that it's not an illegal act now.