Victor had a chat with Dan on Monday evening where Dan told Victor that he thinks both Michelle and Emma were the most popular and Ahmed was the least. He told Victor that he thinks Emma will definately come back into the house refreshed and leading a new troop. Dan spoke of Emma with affection (most probably because he knows she is listening) Victor's face dropped and he went silent. You could almost see the steam coming out of his ears with thought and frustration. I don't think Emma coming back was in his game plan. He stormed to the diary room where he gave his 'To any old foes who come back into the house, I will spread you on the floor like a T and spread you like margarine'

In the early hours he told Stuart and Marco how wonderful Vanessa was and how sad he is for her. How he feels sorry for her as she is insecure and wants to win the game so badly. He says he didn't realise how badly she wanted to win. He told them how much he wants Vanessa to stay and how Dan has to go as he is moaning about everything. Saying how out of order Dan was about the food fight, generally talking bad about Dan. (Stuart then went to the diary room and then bed)

He now moves onto Shell telling Marco that she is not as sweet as she looks. He says she has lost her temper on a few occasions. He gave Marco a senario of Shell, Dan and Vanessa being with him in the last week, and how if they were he would definately go.

He said how pissed off Marco must have felt at Emma and Michelle leaving last week and how Shell, Vanessa and Dan did that. He is practically telling him to get rid of Dan, Vanessa and Shell as he stands no chance if they are in the house. He prasied Emma, saying she made him feel so good with her accent and her singing! (The man is trying his best here!) He told Marco he never thought about the game until Marco mentioned Vanessa and Dan playing the game. He said Ahmed definately wants to leave on Friday. He said that Dan told him that he (Dan) has an agressive side and if anyone starts he will take them to task, Victor says he told Dan that he wouldn't mess with him.

I think Victor is covering himself for the next nomination. If Emma or Michelle come back he knows they will have seen the things he has said. He knows Emma,Michelle, Marco and Nadia can put their heads together and nominate the same. I think Victor knows that Dan could be a force to be reckoned with and wants rid of him first, thus the detailed conversation about how annoying Dan can be. He's praises Emma as he knows Marco is her friend and thinks she is listening and coming back into the house. He wants to be Marco's friend, bless him

I must admit the boy lived up to the slick name in the early hours, but will Marco but silly enough to fall for it? Will Michelle and Emma convince him that it is all part of his game plan?

Sorry everyone didn't realise that was such a long rant until I posted!

Don't apologise, I found it a useful way of learning about a scene I missed (-:

If he pulls this off he will be slick.

THe public will not let him pull it off as once he is up he is out. What a shame.

does anyone find his nervous forehead twitching when hes listening to people the same as nasty nicks face twitch

Not surprising he has been playing Nick's game from the start, unfortunately he's been rumbled far earlier.

Slick is as Slick does. However, old Vic, is too sure of himself. He may think he is the most intellegent person in there, but I'm afraid he his far from that. It is intuition not intellect that will play the tune eventually, the later always utilising proven examples in given situations, the former, intuition has a way of its own, and follows no rules. For instance, this week Van and Dan are up for eviction why, did anyone predict these being up for eviction?
Old Vic is a very capable person; he obviously realises that he is being filmed in the Diary room, but does he realise that these Diary room chats are also being relaid to the public. The cock sure attitude of vic could be his down fall or of course the reverse.

Michelle has now been shown in her stint in the bedsit, that vic speaks with forked tongue. He has already lost a fan there. Could he be up for nomination next week?

I think Victor is a master technician - the likes of which has probably never been seen in BB before - I think he even outstrips Nasty Nick, as he is being far more subtle. Only the girls in the bedsit have got the measure of him, and even they haven' t really sussed what he's up to, have they?

He is playing the other players and making them look like rank amateurs. Dan will probably have worked it out now, though is he too late. Watching how people react when the bedsit girls get back in will be fascinating - they will all be trying to win their favour. What Victor does will be particuarly interesting - will he try to smooth things over with Emma, or just push her over the edge into absolutely unbridled madness?

Dan should stay in - he's the only one capable of giving Victor a run for his money and watching this pair manouvering and manipulating is great TV.

I can understand that people may dislike his diary room antics, but I think it makes a refreshing change from the "I love everybody" Bullsh*t of past years. I never heard this converation (thank you to the original poster), but if he manages to survive with a few allies intact (i.e. jason) surely everybody will have to conceed that Victor is the master tactician he claims to be!

Next weeks nominations will be good!!

If it was not for the bedsit bb5 would have been great this as we could really have seen some great game playing but when they get back the game as we know it is dead. Big brother have really shot themselves in the foot this year.

The thing is, the bedsit buddies haven’t really worked Victor out. What it comes down to is an obsessive hatred for Victor stemming from Emma’s ‘poo-gate’ argument and Victor’s unwise comments about her being stupid and calling him a n****r. Neither of them has worked out what his real play has been. If the girls weren’t in the bedsit, his nominations of Vanessa and Dan would have been hailed as pure genius. Once they get back in, I really believe that he’ll survive the first, crucial eviction between probably himself, Jason, Michelle and Emma, but only if he’s really clever. He’ll need to understand that his essential allies are Jason, Ahmed and Shell. Dan will already be getting ready to vote for the 2 girls when they walk back in the door. What Vic needs to do is convince them not to waste their votes on personal issues (Ahmed with Marco or Shell with Ahmed etc), but to target Emma and Michelle. There are still enough people available to Victor to neutralise any targeted voting from the Harem. If Vic can convince them that Vanessa left because of M+E, they may want their revenge.