All I know is that those two ain't real men.
Prisons the only option imo
Prisons the only option imo
Victor & Jason - You cannot support them
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I was (and may still) write a thread about the HUGE differences between the dif housemates actions tonight, but here's a brief summary:
- Emma and Marco, did they do wrong> Yeah, on a social and cohabitation level, but even then, they responded to the fact that they were being lied and manipulated, if you look at what they actually did, it wasnt at all severe, i mean marco DANCES in front of jay, THAT's it... Emma responded to Victors aggression and he simply replied with more...
- Jay and Victor have actually committed criminal offences tonight, assault and in vic's case also battery. He threw wine over Emma, he threw nadia accross the room, that is wrong. Fact is these guys acted like complete idiots cos they realised they'd been discovered for what they really were, and then they blow their tops over it. Jay responded with threatening to kill marco cos he DANCED in front of him... how can anyoen justify jason's response!? And Victor? Well he's a dick head, and he's proven it beyond any doubt. Both are bad losers, people in this thread have said "it wouldnt have happened had Marco and Emma not been immature and childish" but that's like saying a wife deserves a beating 'cos she doesnt prepare a meal on time one day, or a child deserves to be slapped about cos he cries, what im getting at is that the responses are in no way justified by the catalys, no fkn way! If anything, none of this would have ahppened had they not been so deceitful! They have broken the law, acted like right fools, and couldnt take the heat so they exploded, FUK THEM!
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- Emma and Marco, did they do wrong> Yeah, on a social and cohabitation level, but even then, they responded to the fact that they were being lied and manipulated, if you look at what they actually did, it wasnt at all severe, i mean marco DANCES in front of jay, THAT's it... Emma responded to Victors aggression and he simply replied with more...
- Jay and Victor have actually committed criminal offences tonight, assault and in vic's case also battery. He threw wine over Emma, he threw nadia accross the room, that is wrong. Fact is these guys acted like complete idiots cos they realised they'd been discovered for what they really were, and then they blow their tops over it. Jay responded with threatening to kill marco cos he DANCED in front of him... how can anyoen justify jason's response!? And Victor? Well he's a dick head, and he's proven it beyond any doubt. Both are bad losers, people in this thread have said "it wouldnt have happened had Marco and Emma not been immature and childish" but that's like saying a wife deserves a beating 'cos she doesnt prepare a meal on time one day, or a child deserves to be slapped about cos he cries, what im getting at is that the responses are in no way justified by the catalys, no fkn way! If anything, none of this would have ahppened had they not been so deceitful! They have broken the law, acted like right fools, and couldnt take the heat so they exploded, FUK THEM!
k.
Never l;et the facts get in the way of a good story
FACT - Victor was trying to break up the trouble between Jason and Marco. Emma however took this opportunity to start shouting at him to his face. He repeated at least 5 times "I am trying to stop the trouble, what are you having a go at me for" but she attacked HIM, she pysically attacked him. All he did is defend himself. I think he showed high restraint. A nutter like Emma in your face would probably turn most pacifist males to violence. A Man should never hit a woman, but Emma is not a woman shes just a misery maker.
Both Victor and Jay were provoked into reacting, just as Emma planned. She should be removed. SHE is the source of tthe trouble. Sure its very easy to say oh but a man should always show restraint, even let a woman punch him in the face and still turn the other cheek. But that is an old fashioned view from a different era. Nowadays some girls are more violent than men. The fact that Victor didn't hit anyone in the face of such provocation is commendable.
Some people become suicide bombers in the face of provocation, I'd say Victors reaction to being physically assaulted by Emma was very mild compared to how it would pan out if she acted like that in the real world.
Typically though the public will just see the big black man shouting at the poor weak white woman and the facts will become irrelevant. Guilty as charged. To Kill a Mockingbird as valid today as it ever was.
Emma kept bleating "he pushed Nadia", Nadia who was holding onto him he doubtless pushed her off him. Looks like Emma has been cooking the whole thing up for the last 5 days. She soon turned all the other simpletons against Jay ANd victor, for reffering to her as stupid / boring. Then waited for the inevitable to unfurl. The earlier footage, showed Marco clearly saying he was going to get them. ANd conspiring with Nadia about what they were going to do to them. Marco instigated the whole scene and Emma then went for Victor. She has no brains but understands how to cause rows and arguments. SHe knew to push his buttons, telling him how she did the cold showers etc, to get the reaction that she knew would get him thrown out A real misery maker - yuk!
I doubt many will see it this way, they are blinded by their preconceptions, but facts are facts and its a shame that the lowest common denominator wins out - oh well...
FACT - Victor was trying to break up the trouble between Jason and Marco. Emma however took this opportunity to start shouting at him to his face. He repeated at least 5 times "I am trying to stop the trouble, what are you having a go at me for" but she attacked HIM, she pysically attacked him. All he did is defend himself. I think he showed high restraint. A nutter like Emma in your face would probably turn most pacifist males to violence. A Man should never hit a woman, but Emma is not a woman shes just a misery maker.
Both Victor and Jay were provoked into reacting, just as Emma planned. She should be removed. SHE is the source of tthe trouble. Sure its very easy to say oh but a man should always show restraint, even let a woman punch him in the face and still turn the other cheek. But that is an old fashioned view from a different era. Nowadays some girls are more violent than men. The fact that Victor didn't hit anyone in the face of such provocation is commendable.
Some people become suicide bombers in the face of provocation, I'd say Victors reaction to being physically assaulted by Emma was very mild compared to how it would pan out if she acted like that in the real world.
Typically though the public will just see the big black man shouting at the poor weak white woman and the facts will become irrelevant. Guilty as charged. To Kill a Mockingbird as valid today as it ever was.
Emma kept bleating "he pushed Nadia", Nadia who was holding onto him he doubtless pushed her off him. Looks like Emma has been cooking the whole thing up for the last 5 days. She soon turned all the other simpletons against Jay ANd victor, for reffering to her as stupid / boring. Then waited for the inevitable to unfurl. The earlier footage, showed Marco clearly saying he was going to get them. ANd conspiring with Nadia about what they were going to do to them. Marco instigated the whole scene and Emma then went for Victor. She has no brains but understands how to cause rows and arguments. SHe knew to push his buttons, telling him how she did the cold showers etc, to get the reaction that she knew would get him thrown out A real misery maker - yuk!
I doubt many will see it this way, they are blinded by their preconceptions, but facts are facts and its a shame that the lowest common denominator wins out - oh well...
Originally Posted by dvrec:
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Typically though the public will just see the big black man shouting at the poor weak white woman and the facts will become irrelevant.”
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Typically though the public will just see the big black man shouting at the poor weak white woman and the facts will become irrelevant.”
Sad but true.
Originally Posted by Mr Wolf:
“Sad but true.”
“Sad but true.”
agreed but ia m not judging yet as i have not seen the facts yet so i will wait to pass judgement.
Originally Posted by dvrec:
“Never l;et the facts get in the way of a good story
FACT - Victor was trying to break up the trouble between Jason and Marco. Emma however took this opportunity to start shouting at him to his face. He repeated at least 5 times "I am trying to stop the trouble, what are you having a go at me for" but she attacked HIM, she pysically attacked him. All he did is defend himself. I think he showed high restraint. A nutter like Emma in your face would probably turn most pacifist males to violence. A Man should never hit a woman, but Emma is not a woman shes just a misery maker.
Both Victor and Jay were provoked into reacting, just as Emma planned. She should be removed. SHE is the source of tthe trouble. Sure its very easy to say oh but a man should always show restraint, even let a woman punch him in the face and still turn the other cheek. But that is an old fashioned view from a different era. Nowadays some girls are more violent than men. The fact that Victor didn't hit anyone in the face of such provocation is commendable.
Some people become suicide bombers in the face of provocation, I'd say Victors reaction to being physically assaulted by Emma was very mild compared to how it would pan out if she acted like that in the real world.
Typically though the public will just see the big black man shouting at the poor weak white woman and the facts will become irrelevant. Guilty as charged. To Kill a Mockingbird as valid today as it ever was.
Emma kept bleating "he pushed Nadia", Nadia who was holding onto him he doubtless pushed her off him. Looks like Emma has been cooking the whole thing up for the last 5 days. She soon turned all the other simpletons against Jay ANd victor, for reffering to her as stupid / boring. Then waited for the inevitable to unfurl. The earlier footage, showed Marco clearly saying he was going to get them. ANd conspiring with Nadia about what they were going to do to them. Marco instigated the whole scene and Emma then went for Victor. She has no brains but understands how to cause rows and arguments. SHe knew to push his buttons, telling him how she did the cold showers etc, to get the reaction that she knew would get him thrown out A real misery maker - yuk!
I doubt many will see it this way, they are blinded by their preconceptions, but facts are facts and its a shame that the lowest common denominator wins out - oh well...”
“Never l;et the facts get in the way of a good story
FACT - Victor was trying to break up the trouble between Jason and Marco. Emma however took this opportunity to start shouting at him to his face. He repeated at least 5 times "I am trying to stop the trouble, what are you having a go at me for" but she attacked HIM, she pysically attacked him. All he did is defend himself. I think he showed high restraint. A nutter like Emma in your face would probably turn most pacifist males to violence. A Man should never hit a woman, but Emma is not a woman shes just a misery maker.
Both Victor and Jay were provoked into reacting, just as Emma planned. She should be removed. SHE is the source of tthe trouble. Sure its very easy to say oh but a man should always show restraint, even let a woman punch him in the face and still turn the other cheek. But that is an old fashioned view from a different era. Nowadays some girls are more violent than men. The fact that Victor didn't hit anyone in the face of such provocation is commendable.
Some people become suicide bombers in the face of provocation, I'd say Victors reaction to being physically assaulted by Emma was very mild compared to how it would pan out if she acted like that in the real world.
Typically though the public will just see the big black man shouting at the poor weak white woman and the facts will become irrelevant. Guilty as charged. To Kill a Mockingbird as valid today as it ever was.
Emma kept bleating "he pushed Nadia", Nadia who was holding onto him he doubtless pushed her off him. Looks like Emma has been cooking the whole thing up for the last 5 days. She soon turned all the other simpletons against Jay ANd victor, for reffering to her as stupid / boring. Then waited for the inevitable to unfurl. The earlier footage, showed Marco clearly saying he was going to get them. ANd conspiring with Nadia about what they were going to do to them. Marco instigated the whole scene and Emma then went for Victor. She has no brains but understands how to cause rows and arguments. SHe knew to push his buttons, telling him how she did the cold showers etc, to get the reaction that she knew would get him thrown out A real misery maker - yuk!
I doubt many will see it this way, they are blinded by their preconceptions, but facts are facts and its a shame that the lowest common denominator wins out - oh well...”
fascinating as we didn't see this on E4 - why don't you phone up the Sun newsroom or send them a copy of the above - they might as well get all the story.
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