In terms of behaving like an adult she obviously is. In terms of being a BB contestant she is one of the few who would have been selected for an earlier BB and in terms of the unwritten rule that BB females should not take their clothes off if they want to be successful she clearly understands more than the other females.

True that.

Originally Posted by aonz90
Lets not forget Nadia is a man and as such has the strength of a man.

I don't know about that - though I suppose his old muscles are still there in her. Watching her tonight I would be more worried what effect her medication has. She seems incredibly emotional, irrational and combative - it looked more hormonal than anything - I was the same with thyroiditis but steroids or sex hormones might produce the same result.

And yet it appears that Nadia was not the first to get physical. It was Vanessa that clearly started it.

Words are one thing, getting violent is another. Vanessa is the one who is not normal.

We havn't seen it though and bits wre cut. The story sounded like Vanessa pulled Nadia away from Shell because Shell needed help and Shell asked her to. Nadia refused and we don't know what she did before Vanessa acted. If Vanessa used reasonable force she would be in the same position as anyone who tried to help a sick friend being sick and collapsing - OK as long as the force was reasonable. If you remember BB3 when Kate was paralytic and Jade helped her, l Nadia was being as unhelpful as Jonny and getting in the way (she might as well have been drunk). Given that Nadia was not doing as she was repeatedly asked (we did see Shell and emma tell her to go away) she was ranting (we saw that) and she carries male muscles on her arms and legs "reasonable" force would probably be quite liberally interpreted.

OK, I more or less accept your point. The key words are 'reasonable force' and we need to find out a little more before judging the participants any further.

I imagine a BB camera was watching. What I don't understand is why they have left them in the house because unless they make a quick decision to end it all it will take most of tommorrow morning at least to work out who should go. You can't leave Nadia and Marco simmering in a locked room and the others with no toilet and you certainly can't let Marco or Nadia near victor or Vanessa or Jason or Shell.

totally ****in agree. Shes putting on such a front like Dan said last night she hasnt shown her true side yet (apart from in the treatment room). shes trying to appear innocent and vunerable and we can see right through it. i cant stand watching her get her out she isnt entertaining shes just plain annoyin.

excuse me i think ure forgetting the whole jason thing. all an act to try nad stay in although she quickly figured out it wouldnt help

She kissed him and put a hand on his bottom - they were both wearing all their clothes - hardly going to set the grannies tounges wagging?

Dan is sitting with two of the harem who like Shell. Shell is his main opposition. Its suddenly clear Jason and Victor may be expelled and Vanessa is going Friday. His side has now only one member left who is his rival. Dan performed the quickest realignment in BB history by trying to join the hareem in Shell's place. He says Shell is deeper and within minutes Marco the half-wit is repeating over and over again that shell can't be trusted she is with the others. Dan couldn't do better if he had pavlov's dogs to train. You only learnt what Dan said about Shell not that it was true. You may actually have missed seeing what an excellent ruthless game-player dan is.

I don't buy into the whole fragile earth mother thing either, she is a bore. It still winds me up how she has to get involved through the side door in any conflict, remember her doing her timeout appeals and now the "panic attack".
Like in her little world all conflict is wrong, there are times when conflict has to happen to allow everyone to move on.
Her diversion tactics interupt the natural clearing of the air.

Hardly. If they were all like Shell wemight still have BB5 on Friday and Inspector Grim might not be coming acalling. Conflict in that house, like in the cold war, is just fatal to everyone.

So you saying you DON'T want the fighting, right?
Are you serious, having no conflicts would make BB5 the last one for sure, through viewer apathy.
This is the best series yet, people like shell do my head in. she always manages to be the victim.
The cold war kept the peace, if it was fatal for everyone would we be here now?

Because Vainessa attacked Nadia and Nadia immediately retaliated. However the slant that Vanessa put on it was that She was attacked by Nadia, and not theother way aroung.

The whole point of the cold war was that they didn't let it get to the stage where people or bombs started flying around the BB kitchen/cold war borders. thats why it was called cold. Emma v Victor was decidedly hot.

you can have conflicts in BB but not if the people will crack up or go over the top - half of those housemates or more will. Kate won BB3 partly because she avoided rows with Jade even when sorely provoked, Adele didn't and look what happened to her and Jade., Craig won Bb1 because he contained himself. There are few players who are that controlled in Bb5.

I think they are all stable individuals which is why they must have passed the C4 psych tests. Its the combination that is so explosive.

Did anyone actually see this "attack" on Nadia? Is it possible that Nadia is over- reacting? Lets face it she is a bit of a drama queen and if, as suggested by some others, Vanessa was trying to get Nadia to leave Shell alone then it may not actually constitute an attack.

It wasn't on the live feed, it must have taken place when the cameras cut to the garden scene or something. (If it happened.)

The editing on tonight's show is going to be very interesting indeed. I wonder if they'll show everything.

Feeble women don't have to masturbate every day like Shell says she does. That woman has pure testosterone flowing in her veins I tell you!

nadia isnt shells type. she has never been close to her and is wary of her. she thought nadia would be up for eviction. She knows nadia is one to be wary of. Shell doesnt like the squawks way but hasn`t been honest with herself until she has found herself in this position where she has to choose sides. Nadia is volatile.

Shell and Vanessa deserve oscars for last nights performance

They both hate violence and destruction yet Shell was screaming, throwing and punching pillows in the treatment room calling Jason a f*cking w*nker. It was only yesterday afternoon she said she wanted to punch Jason in the face!

As for Vanessa. She threatened to make Michelle the most hated woman in the Uk. She was able to take the statue from the garden and smash it up calling it a bitch.

One rule for them and another for the others.

No way was Shell's reaction last night fake... No one is that good an actor. I really felt bad for her last night

I thought I was pretty cynical about internet forums and the ways perceptions are distorted by dislike; but some of the comments on Shell have shown me that I was not cynical enough. Shell was genuinely upset last night, and that should have been clear to any viewer.

Now while I'm here I'd like the thank thenetworkbabe for posting insightful and well thought-out comments and explanations.

Shell was really drunk. I wonder when her "breakdown" started ? It looked to me as if it was when Nadia was desparate to see her and when Van and Jay were away.

She probably wanted away from nadia and marco and was also feeling very drunk, but not completely drunk that she was out of it.

She was stressed out and wanting away from the situation (mainly marco and nadia etc)

hopefully it will become clearer later on today.