In their bid to erase all memory of the borefest that was BB4, the producers intenioally put as many volatile and contraversial characters into an enclosed space in the hope that fireworks would happen. And they got exactly what they wanted.

To them i say......WELL DONE!

Last nights freak show provided some of the best TV entertainment ever. Violence, breakdowns, hatred, drunkeness and all out WAR. This is what BB is all about. Lord of the Flies and Battle Royale combined to achieve BB's ultimate aim of caricatures and exaggerated personalities at each others throats done purely for our entertainment.

I think Emma really showed what a vile person she was as she was unable to control her racism in the heat of the moment as her true feelings came out about black people in her argument with Victor. The insults she threw at him were absolutely disgusting and I hope the producers either kick her out, or leave her in and let the war continue. Either way it will be fun. Victor went up a lot in my estimation and he is truly one of the most entertaing TV perosnalities of recent times.

The blonde bitches showed how phoney they were, with vanessa acting uppioty and shell drawing attention to herself AGAIN with her contrived ploy for sympathy.

The Harem orchestrated and instigated the whole situation as the felt they had regained power and they tried to rebel against the Jungle cats.

Ofcourse as the chaos went on, one man stood pack and watched the powderkeg explode. the puppetmaster himself, the man who started Ahmedgeddon which lead to these chain of events, just sat back and watched these animals attempt to maim each other while manintaining his dignity. Everyone else will eliminate each other and Ahmed now has a clear path to the winners pure. One tooth...one tooth to rule them all. All hail the Great Toothsayer.

Have to agree with you - Ch4 & Endermol "wanted " a conflict.

It just got out of control.

How different is the behaviour in the house to that of the football hooligans in Portugal. In the real world they would be bundled off home with a night in the cells for the worst offenders.

I can't see how Ch 4 will defend themselves against the complaints to the TV watchdogs that will follow.

Emma should be jailed for using such offensive language and she she used the worst kind of racial sterotyping possible. However, before they lock her away and throw away the key I think its time for BB to ply them with alcohol again and let the war restart. This is trashy entertainment at its best, and I can't wait for more.

agreed - conflict is at the heart of what makes BB the voyeuristic tv delight that we know and love - be it craig's clash with nick, jonny's rants with kate, or now the emma and victor thing.

there might not be so much in the volatile characters thing tho - i think the environment plays the most important part in all this - mild mannered folk by day can act quite differently in an extreme environment - eg the BB house.


what torrent of racial abuse was this then? she had an argument with him, but thats not necessarily grounded in racial hatred.

i take it you don't give much credence to the theory that it might simply be rooted in emma taking a dislike to the *black with attitude* persona that Vic the Slick has chosen to portray himself as?

so last night when he's coming over all heavy and intimidating (yes, it was fuelled by drink, and yes, it was provoked by emma, but nonetheless he was still doing his heavy and intimidating thing), he was, to her, portraying the part of the character he already was playing - the *stereotypical* black with attitude gangsta thing.

so when she said what she did, she could easily have meant *god Victor - quit with this stereotypical black with attitude gangsta shit*.

and that isn't racist.

she's not suggesting that she thinks *all* black men are like that - she's just had enough of victor acting up that *stereotype*. its arguably an important distinction to make i think.

Iain

Bring on the lions and the christians

Ave Endermol!

What does race have to do with it? She obviously has very bigoted prejudices agaibst black people and rather than confront him with a personal issue, she made it a racial issue. What did that have to do with anything? The moment you start invoking the notion of race to put somebody down is when you become a racist, and she just did that.

She may be thick as sh*t but she cant use her undeniable stupidity as a defence. She is a hate-filled racist and she deserves to be punished for her hate crime.

And giving them lots of alcohol was a masterstroke...

Hehe. Just watched the footage of the aftermath. Funniest moment of the whole show so far was watching Marco mince around with his swishy hands on his hips...

this quote made me laugh.

SHe enever made any racist comments, she simply said "acting like you're black" and she simply used "black" (as most people do) to embody what victor is actively trying to live up to, the gehtto lifestyle, the 50 cent persona that he so desperately is trying to portray, and that he so enormously fails to make us believe!

Victor is the biggest idiot in big brother history, he assaulted 2 of the housemates, and all this because? erm, because a comuple of girls have been watching him and know what a huge knob he is! LOL He is SUCH a ****!!!

k.

I cannot believe anyone of sound mind could defend Jason and Victor's behaviour. I really cannot. I despair for mankind. nd

I'm pretty sure if I was having an argument with a black man who'd already accused me of being racist I'd probably avoid telling him that he's acting like a stereotypical black man...

That's just me...

I disagree completely.

Shouting at someone in anger that they're 'acting black' is offensive and, I'm sorry, but I deem it to be racist too.

If she'd told him to stop acting like a 'gangsta' then I could concede that she was attacking the stereotype and not the man - but she didnt. It was a deliberate and spiteful act and made to provoke him further.

And I stand by what I've said before - I quite like the man.

If she was annoyed with his attitude even she could have thought of many other words to portray this. IMO using the words 'acting black' shows that she sees 'black' as having this bad attitude. BB have put in people who would annoy each other from the start. They put the HMs in starting with Ahmed (homophobic) and Marco (dislikes immigrants) Emma has a previous problem with a black guy (racist) and Victor expects respect on demand (intolerant)

It is just a simple recipe for success - human beings who will rub each other up the wrong way without admitting they are actually very prejudiced.

It'll certainly improve ratings for tonite's show.

Yet again people reading too much into situations. Desperate for the racial slant. Emma was loud mouthed, abusive and it was wrong, but it was hardly a racially fuelled situation.
Victor was loud mouthed too, and just as abusive.

As far as i can gather, Emma's comment to Victor included the term 'black man', considering the heat of the moment, and how worked up they were, i sincerely doubt she was being racist, if she had she'd have used much more colourful language, including the dreaded N word.

As someone else has pointed out, i think she was referring to his 'attitude' the whole body language thing he has going on, like some street smart black rapper. They were both out of order, but in my opinion it paled into insignificance compared to Jason's outburst. I think Jason really would have carried out his threats, Victor wouldn't, Emma COULDN'T.

But this is not the first time she has done it. She can not hide behind 'heat of the moment' excuses for her language when she has made several other similar comments in the past - not all of which were during arguements.

With ease I would have thought - what went out went out at gone 1am on a payTV service, namely E4. Nothing has gone out on C4. What have they broadcast that is so terrible? The profanity?

If you think Ofcom are going to intervene over something like that - well it isn't going to happen.

The live action that did go out went out on C4 as well as E4. Viewing figures might be quite interesting. nd

The figures for tonite's heavily edited episode will be very good.

OFCOM have no power to step in unless the show "breaches the bounds of decency and / or taste" which two people having a drunken fight doesn't qualify as.

If she'd used the N-word it might be different...

Section 1
Family Viewing Policy, Offence to Good Taste and Decency, Portrayal of Violence and Respect for Human Dignity


This document was originally published by the ITC, one of the organisations replaced by Ofcom at the end of 2003. It represents Ofcom's current policy.

1.1 General requirement

Section 6(1) of the Broadcasting Act 1990 requires that the ITC does all it can to secure that every licensed service includes nothing in its programmes which offends against good taste or decency or is likely to encourage or incite to crime or lead to disorder or be offensive to public feeling. Section 7(1)(a) requires the ITC to draw up a code giving guidance as to the rules to be observed with respect to the showing of violence, or the inclusion of sounds suggestive of violence, in programmes included in licensed services, particularly when large numbers of children and young people may be expected to be watching the programmes. Programme services are free to deal appropriately with all elements of the human experience but should avoid gratuitous offence by providing information and guidance to audiences, bearing in mind the expectations of those watching. Decisions on programme content will vary according to the time of day, nature of the channel and the likely audience. This is true not only in respect of children but for audiences in general. Viewers are more likely to experience distress or offence as a result of strong material if they are taken unawares.

It does not give Ch 4 a free ride because it was shown late at night. There is a pretty good case that they "incited" the housemates

Are you 100% certain that you have all the facts though?

If Marco dleiberately wound me up like that he'd be glad he only had Jason threatening to kill him

What facts? I have the evidence of my own eyes, ears and videotape. I don't need anything else to make up my mind that what I witnessed was unacceptable.

Some people seem to be of the opinion that violence or threats of violence is acceptable if provoked. I'm not. I don't think the behaviour I saw/heard is acceptable - ever. No excuses whatsoever; in any circumstances.

Others may also be guilty (maybe Emma for starters) but I'm not arguing against that. nd

but thats the thing - the *gangsta* stereotype, for better or worse, is a *black* stereotype. the go synominously hand in hand. so your argument would hardly wash - if, in this context, *black* is racist, then so is *gangsta*. or, as i see it, in this context neither are racist.

she's not racist on account of not making any distinction, where really there is little distinction, in a heated moment.

Iain

what previous problem with a black guy is this? or did you just make that up?

Iain

if 'most people' do it - doesn't make it right. and if 'most people' think that black='ghetto lisfestyle', then 'most people' would be racist.

Honest to God, I am shocked at some of the justifications I've read on here. If this mentality is what Victor's had to deal with the whole of his life, I can kind of understand why he got so angry,

No, I can not understand why it degenerated the way it did - and I'm not justifying anyone's behaviour. But this 'black man' = 'ghetto attitude' is plain WRONG


Why not just say he's chosen to display himself as a MAN with an attitude? That much I'd accept. What does the color of his skin have to do with it?