This whole breaking point thing is an excuse, that men who struggle to conduct themselves in a civilised way like to use when they get tired of respecting other people and decide to bully them instead. There is no excuse for violence, especially domestic violence. How many times have abusers of women given the excuse that they pushed them too far? would you consider that a valid excuse in their case as well? I know it is a matter of degree, but it's the thin end of the wedge.

Anyway, I still say Michelle to win

There is a breaking point...that is human psychology...if someone is pushed over the edge then it is obvious that they will erupt...no it is not an excuse for men who abuse women all the time...however it may be valid for a man who has only hit a woman once because he exploded in a fit of rage after being pushed to the limit...

...this breaking limit can be extended through anger management so maybe victor and jason could do with some of that...but no matter what there is always a limit to how far you can push a person...

if I was the producer and had to deal with complaints like this, I would ask myself is it worth going ahead with another big brother ?

no-one seems to have been hurt.

Using your logic, it would mean I could shout any abuse at you I wanted and you would just have to stand there and take it.

Please get things into perspective. The liabilities of running the show may make it impossible in the future with complaints like this.

i keep seeing this about 2 males threatening death. is it ok for a woman to do that then? only emma was doing exactly the same thing but the people slagging off victor and jason seem to be overlooking this totally

After all, what if someone was suffering from shock, vommiting on the bathroom floor. No real reason for the paramedics to be called or security. Its all good clean fun. Lets have a Euro 2004 big brother with hooligans from all 16 nations participating.

That would be great telly wouldn't it

Emma is in no way innocent, but Victor & Jason were the real aggressors.

For the record, imo male, female, makes no difference in terms of making and recieving threats.

I can't believe how WET this thread is!!

This was fantastic TV, absolutely the best BB moment ever IMO, there was no REAL danger to life - they are in a TV STUDIO for pete's sake! As soon as the producers had got the footage they wanted they cut the video feeds and sent in the security guards! Easy!

C4 knew exactly what they were doing because they engineered the whole situation almost to the umpteenth degree.

This is exactly what the producers wanted/planned for/engineered and finally delivered.

At last we have a BB where all the HMs have managed to drop the bullsh*t act and actually engage with one another honestly and passionately.

Brilliant! Thank you Endemol. Thank you Channel 4. Well done production team. Mission accomplished.

Shell ended up needing a paramedic. Things went too far.

Not condoning Emma`s behaviour last night. She did appear to be giving "like for like" in the melee' though. As dan was dragging her away from Victor & his "You`re not S**t to me" rant- she did appear to threaten Victors life in response. If you live by a civilised societies laws-then threatening fellow human beings with harm is unacceptable-no matter what the provocation. I find this particular event facinating for another reason though. Thats the parallel of whats happenning in Portugal with p****d-up supposed England fans. Always the Alcahol lowering inhibitions & resulting in mob violence.

I recall this was the last bit broadcast before the live feeds were cut. It also depends on your spin - "suffering from shock, vomitting on the bathroom floor" can easily become "drunk and confused, throwing up in the toilet", certainly keep an eye on her, but I think calling the paramedics is over-reacting a bit.

As for the original comment on this thread, I don't really see that C4 have done anything wrong. They may have set the stage, but the housemates all knew what they were getting in to, and they're free to leave if they want (the only thing keeping them in being greed and/or vanity). Same way, we're free to watch or not, so I think it's all consensual here - the only thing I object to is these people dictating what I should and shouldn't be allowed to watch.

Shell could have fallen off that spinning playground roundabout in the task or tripped over the hose in the garden or a million other things during her stay in the house and needed a paramedic. It's just one of those things, if she really can't handle confrontation, and aggression she shouldn't have agreed to take part in a gameshow like BB. She can always walk out if not her cup of tea....

big brother fight club. "if this is your first night in the house.... you HAVE to fight."

How I reacted would be up to me, but if I ended up getting excessively violent or threatening I would have to face the consequences.


Its not the complaints that C4 should worry about, it’s the well being of housemates.

No, I totally disagree. I dislike it when people get on their high horses anytime anyone says "I'm going to kill you." and starts shouting about assault and the like.

People in a civilised society should be able to think for themselves, and shouldn't need molly-coddling. I don't think anyone was under any illusion that we could be witnessing murder in moments.

If it's a mugger in the street with a gun to your head threatening to kill you, that's wrong, but I think we're all grown-up enough (as are the housemates) to recognise drunk/over-excited name calling when we see it.

what i can't believe is a forum post quoted in the guardian that suggests they might need counselling afterwards. for gods sake. counselling??

drunken violent posturing and somtimes physical fighting happens in life, like heavy weather, its not always a "bad" thing, its just a thing, and then life goes on.
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I second that!

How does your complaint to ofcom help the housemates well being ?

I quite agree that people who can't handle confrontation and aggression shouldn't be on a game show like BB. However Shell got through the selection process and she is there. There has to be a line drawn. I don't think anything goes in the name of entertainment.

Shell ended up needing an Oscar and a pat on the back for once again displaying her talents to get the spotlight focussed on her.

Remember people, this is a woman who jumps up, strips off and runs naked round a garden when she feels she isn't getting enough attention.

Funny how Lisa's panic attack last year was met with such derision and yet this pantomine has been swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Probably becuase she was drunk. And who's fault was that?

LOL, I agree totally, that whole sobbing on the bathroom floor was just an act. And if it wasn't an act it was probably caused by excess alcohol. Which is her own damn fault.

Its the fact that a paramedic was sent for that seems so drastic. I haven't seen the actual footage of her collapse yet...just going by the reports I've been reading , so maybe I should reserve judgement till later. But given they haven't brought paramedics out to hms in the past when they've been blind drunk and vomiting I thought this sounded much more serious.

So what was broadcast last night was no worse than say "Wife Swap" - or any other reality show with a huge argument... so remind me, why should Ofcom be involved...??

Emma was repeatedly saying "I'll kill you, I'll kill you" while being dragged away by Dan, and that's only what they let us see. And Emma and Marco were both responsible for instigating the arguments. Victor and Jay reacted strongly, but do not be so quick to lay blame on the men.

right so its ok to talk about all you other hm's behind theyre back slagging them off then being nicey nicey tothrie faces?

that would have sent me over the edge aswell

he knew his game was up and couldnt let it go