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Hackjaw
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“You are the one who is unable to accept that victor has assaulted two people. I accept emma said "acting like you're black" but the racism comes from teh USAGE of the words, not teh words themselves. Man, i am gonna have to start giving english lessons on these boards.

k.”

Learn to spell the word "the" before you enlighten us with your lessons.
Mr Blonde
17-06-2004
Acting english is completely different to acting black...acting english is saying someone is acting like they are from england....acting black is saying someone is acting like they are black (which is to do with race)...emma is in the wrong and you know it...its time to chuck away those rose tinted glasses and accept emma for what she really is (a racist)...
kahio-x
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by Mr Blonde:
“Acting english is completely different to acting black...acting english is saying someone is acting like they are from england....acting black is saying someone is acting like they are black (which is to do with race)...emma is in the wrong and you know it...its time to chuck away those rose tinted glasses and accept emma for what she really is (a racist)...”

But "black" has acquired a new meaning, there is no disputing that. The fact that the origin of the word from soemone skin colour is irrelevant, it's the USE that makes the difference. To act black is to act "ghetto" and "gangsta", it's a practical truth, regardless to whether you are willing to accept it.

And Hackjaw, my apologies for not knowing how to type, my inability to do so OBVIOUSLY means you have been right all along and that we should stop everyone from using the word black and let everyone go round calling people hackjaws without thinking there's anything wrong with it.

k.
Hackjaw
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“But "black" has acquired a new meaning, there is no disputing that. The fact that the origin of the word from soemone skin colour is irrelevant, it's the USE that makes the difference. To act black is to act "ghetto" and "gangsta", it's a practical truth, regardless to whether you are willing to accept it.

And Hackjaw, my apologies for not knowing how to type, my inability to do so OBVIOUSLY means you have been right all along and that we should stop everyone from using the word black and let everyone go round calling people hackjaws without thinking there's anything wrong with it.

k.”

Please, just stop. You're digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself. Now you're equating blackness with criminality!
Mr Blonde
17-06-2004
Kahio...if you criticise other peoples english then you have to expect other people to criticise yours...thats the way it goes...and acting black is suggesting that someone acts a certain way because of their skin colour...that is racism...
kahio-x
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by Mr Blonde:
“Kahio...if you criticise other peoples english then you have to expect other people to criticise yours...thats the way it goes...and acting black is suggesting that someone acts a certain way because of their skin colour...that is racism...”

No, that's what you are unable to see. Acting black goes BEYOND the colour of the skin, it's simply a tag for acting a certain way and having a certain type of attitude (ala 50 cent). This isn't something i've come up with just now, it's a practical truth and a constructive connoattion to the word that has developed through out the years.

I am getting bored of writing posts that you 2 are simply discrediting on completely superficial basis. I am not even completely siding with Emma, but at most she should get a warning for her involvement in the whole thing.

k.
NoDOGs
17-06-2004
In the interests of accuracy what Emma actually said was "acting like some kind of black guy".

This was after Victor's "Do you f*****g know who I am?" (more times than I could count, give or take the f word here and there), "You ain't f*****g s**t to me!", "Don't ever f*** with me Emma!" and "You get one warning - that's all" (all several times) etc.

Oddly enough, before the shouting, just before the vision was cut, we saw some food exchanged and Victor put on a big smile like he was about to enjoy joining in. nd
BBs Funny Uncle
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by T--J:
“That's not speculation - I heard many of the HM's say on several occasions, that Victor threw wine over Emma and flung Nadia across the room.”

And this morning Marco said that he threw wine over Emma and Victor.
ccaaeac
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“GOOD! Victor, pack your bags, with any luck you'll be unpacking them in another confined space!

He's committed 2 counts of assault and battery on nadia and emma, and his aggresive behavious, threats and whatnot wont help his case. He wants to ACT like a gantsa, well lets hope he goes down liek one too.

k.”

Oh please...grow up. Since when was throwing a glass of water (wine) assaulting someone? From all accounts, Emma was the one who pushed him...and since when was pushing someone assault? The police would laugh in your face, and charge you for wasting their time.

If you want to see what real violence is, I suggest you get on a plane to Albufeira. Or if that's too far to go, try Croydon town centre on a Friday night.

I've seen worse arguments on Wife Swap. Stop being such a drama queen, your melodramatisation of the incident would make Marco blush.
JonDoe
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“No, that's what you are unable to see. Acting black goes BEYOND the colour of the skin, it's simply a tag for acting a certain way and having a certain type of attitude.”

I have never been so incensed by anyone on Digital Spy as I am by this comment.

I would like to explain calmly how dangerous and destructive your attitude is but I feel it would be a waste of time as you've ignored every other attempt to do so.

For your sake, I hope you are young and have yet to develop an adult sense of empathy. For the sake of everyone else, I hope no one around you takes you seriously until you do so.

I will not be responding to any more of your comments.
GonzoTheGreat
17-06-2004
Nothing will come of a police investiagtion unless a HM wants to press charges i guess, and Endemol will make sure none want to do that. Also whatever Emma said was not properly broadcast so she hasn't incited any racial hatrid to the public and the house is private property.
Dr_Ben
17-06-2004
Hey guys,

Just popped on to this forum, so I thought I'd add my tupence worth. First off, I agree that racism is often used as a throw away argument. Indeed, serious racism does exist in the world, and jumping up and down, and calling in the police anytime someone says 'black man' in many ways devalues the serious crime (morally, I won't get into legal arguments) of racism.

The police story serves mostly as further publicity for Big Brother - there hasn't been any serious wrong doing here. A bunch of people got drunk, there was a lot of arguing but not much more. We really need to stop going the litigation culture so prevalent in the US - the law should only be invoked in the most serious of cases, and this really isn't.

Ben
kahio-x
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by ccaaeac:
“Oh please...grow up. Since when was throwing a glass of water (wine) assaulting someone? From all accounts, Emma was the one who pushed him...and since when was pushing someone assault? The police would laugh in your face, and charge you for wasting their time.”

Ahem, throwing a glass of water on someone is sufficient to classify as a battery, more commonly known as assault when intended to cause immediate apprehension of physical harm. Since when was pushing someone assault? Are you serious? So i push an old lady and it's nothing?

Pah, i dont wanna get technical, but if you want me to i will, with cases, statute extract and even judge quotations. What victor did (or rather, what he SUPPOSEDLY did) was a crime. Whether it was enough to buy him time inside or just a fine and some community service or a simple slap on the hand and warning is a question for the judge, but a crime it most certainly (again, supposing the accounts are true) was.

k.
Wooster
17-06-2004
I was wondering at the mentality of the people who phoned the police to complain. I put it down to a few bigots who saw an angry black man on the TV and got scared. Then I read kahio-x's posts above and realised I was right.
Nightbird
17-06-2004
Didn't Emma say "Who do you think you are acting like some kind of black man" and then Victor flipped out.
Maldy
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“What? She said "Acting like you're black" to him, if YOU find any racist connotations there tehn it's clearly ebcause YOU think that there's something wrong with acting "Black".”

Congratulations for the most stupid and pathetic excuse I've EVER read for a racial slur.

WHAT DO *YOU* THINK SHE MEANT EH?
lmh555
17-06-2004
Surely Emmas comment was no more than the equivekent of saying acting like a dumb blonde? is it? or even wehen a slightly older person gets something wrong and is accused of having a senior moment.
timepilot
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by Hackjaw:
“Negative connotation and sterotyping according to skin colour is RACISM. Emma is a vile racist, pure and simple, and deserves to be arrested for her comments.”



Bullying is as bad or worse than racism.

I was called 'fu**ing honky' in New york when I tried to sell a couple of tickets to a show I didn't need. (all the touts were black afaik). I laughed at this comment.

Racism like bullying can appear in SO MANY DIFFERENT levels. You're merely throwing cheap punches in order to remove a girl from the show.

I think Marco would've found Jasons very serious and nasty threats of violence far more worring than an extremely drunk Emma mentioning 'black man'

get a life
mr_ray
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by Maldy:
“Congratulations for the most stupid and pathetic excuse I've EVER read for a racial slur.

WHAT DO *YOU* THINK SHE MEANT EH?”

She meant "acting like a black *stereotype*" and assuming that's what she meant, she was spot on.
mr_ray
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by lmh555:
“Surely Emmas comment was no more than the equivekent of saying acting like a dumb blonde? is it? or even wehen a slightly older person gets something wrong and is accused of having a senior moment.”

But blondes aren't a minority, so you can say what you like about them.

Nowadays the worst thing you can be is an adult white male, the only type of person in the country that doesn't get special treatment, and it truly sucks.
ccaaeac
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“Ahem, throwing a glass of water on someone is sufficient to classify as a battery, more commonly known as assault when intended to cause immediate apprehension of physical harm. Since when was pushing someone assault? Are you serious? So i push an old lady and it's nothing?

Pah, i dont wanna get technical, but if you want me to i will, with cases, statute extract and even judge quotations. What victor did (or rather, what he SUPPOSEDLY did) was a crime. Whether it was enough to buy him time inside or just a fine and some community service or a simple slap on the hand and warning is a question for the judge, but a crime it most certainly (again, supposing the accounts are true) was.

k.”

And what physical harm can be done by throwing water over somebody? Unless Emma is the Wicked Witch of the West, no harm would come to her.

And are you forgetting Emma doused Victor in water earlier on in the evening. So by your logic, she is also guilty of assault and battery too...grow up.

Take your blinkers off.
gazdudeuk
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by ccaaeac:
“And what physical harm can be done by throwing water over somebody? Unless Emma is the Wicked Witch of the West, no harm would come to her.

And are you forgetting Emma doused Victor in water earlier on in the evening. So by your logic, she is also guilty of assault and battery too...grow up.

Take your blinkers off.”


Look what big brother is doing to this forum! arguements!

i can just see tommorrows headlines, 'big brother brings britain into chaos' lol
ccaaeac
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“Ahem, throwing a glass of water on someone is sufficient to classify as a battery, more commonly known as assault when intended to cause immediate apprehension of physical harm. Since when was pushing someone assault? Are you serious? So i push an old lady and it's nothing?

k.”

So you have never pushed anyone? If you have never done that then good for you! If you have then are you telling me that you feel that you have committed a crime?

If you have ever pushed someone, I suggest you hand yourself into the nearest Police station for the 'crime' you have commiitted'

Nevermind about old ladies, if a twenty-something psychpath is getting in your face and being threatening towards you, how would you react?
thenetworkbabe
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by Dr_Ben:
“Hey guys,

Just popped on to this forum, so I thought I'd add my tupence worth. First off, I agree that racism is often used as a throw away argument. Indeed, serious racism does exist in the world, and jumping up and down, and calling in the police anytime someone says 'black man' in many ways devalues the serious crime (morally, I won't get into legal arguments) of racism.

The police story serves mostly as further publicity for Big Brother - there hasn't been any serious wrong doing here. A bunch of people got drunk, there was a lot of arguing but not much more. We really need to stop going the litigation culture so prevalent in the US - the law should only be invoked in the most serious of cases, and this really isn't.

Ben”

People were drunk, property was destroyed, passersby were frightened, threats were made, people were pushed. Its exactly the same activity as the football fans were accused of. The home Office has probably already made that point to the TV regulators and the Herts constabluary.
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