if she had not wound Jason up so much would he have gone in all guns blazing and demanded that they cleaned the mess up, did she have to go on about the food so much, then when every thing calmed down a bit she starts a fight with nadia
Was It All Vanessas Fault
though I agree Van was out of order, this was no different to how she has been other times. Lots of othr such times have been had by the HMs ( the dislike of Ahmeds actions for just one example) non of them have ended up in the riot we had last night.
Yep,
She worked on Victor and Jason till they were all fired-up and couldn't handle the hi-jinks that followed..
She worked on Victor and Jason till they were all fired-up and couldn't handle the hi-jinks that followed..
NO, she was their EXCUSE for starting the fight, the reason they went in there guns blazing was the same reason they had that look on their faces as soon as emma and mich walked in, they were feeling screwed 'cos they knew the girls had seen them doing things and talking about things they didnt want eevryone else to know. SO how did they react? Well start threatening peoples lives of course! Vanessa is proving herself vile, yes, but no where near that of Jay and Vic... i can see it now, "Jerky Jayson" "Vicious Vanessa" and "Vile Victor"
Originally Posted by JoolzEDGE:
“What a silly thread! To suggest that blame lies with one party only is clearly erroneous.”
“What a silly thread! To suggest that blame lies with one party only is clearly erroneous.”
yeah but princess vanessa is the sort of annoying person that deserves to be blamed for everything in the whole world.
In my opinion almost all of them played a part. Vanessa got Jason wound up, Victor got Jason wound up, Emma wound Jason and Victor up, Michelle did likewise, to a lesser extent, Marco and Nadia did the same.
As far as i saw, only Stuart (who was too busy licking up to Jason and Victor), Shell, Ahmed and Dan were innocent last night.
Hopefully Dan has seen to it that he stays in, and Vanessa leaves. Then i'm sure Shell will suddenly want in the Harem, as she'll realise Vanessa losing the vote would mean the Harem is more popular on the outside.
As far as i saw, only Stuart (who was too busy licking up to Jason and Victor), Shell, Ahmed and Dan were innocent last night.
Hopefully Dan has seen to it that he stays in, and Vanessa leaves. Then i'm sure Shell will suddenly want in the Harem, as she'll realise Vanessa losing the vote would mean the Harem is more popular on the outside.
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“NO, she was their EXCUSE for starting the fight, the reason they went in there guns blazing was the same reason they had that look on their faces as soon as emma and mich walked in, they were feeling screwed 'cos they knew the girls had seen them doing things and talking about things they didnt want eevryone else to know. SO how did they react? Well start threatening peoples lives of course! Vanessa is proving herself vile, yes, but no where near that of Jay and Vic... i can see it now, "Jerky Jayson" "Vicious Vanessa" and "Vile Victor"”
“NO, she was their EXCUSE for starting the fight, the reason they went in there guns blazing was the same reason they had that look on their faces as soon as emma and mich walked in, they were feeling screwed 'cos they knew the girls had seen them doing things and talking about things they didnt want eevryone else to know. SO how did they react? Well start threatening peoples lives of course! Vanessa is proving herself vile, yes, but no where near that of Jay and Vic... i can see it now, "Jerky Jayson" "Vicious Vanessa" and "Vile Victor"”
I agree. Marco and Vanessa may have been the immediate catalysts, but it was Jason that kicked off. Jason and Victor used Vanessa's whinging and Marco's dancing as an excuse to do what Victor had already told us in the diary room that he had every intention of doing
I love the way everyone is trying to lay the blame on their pet villain. Few of them come out of it with much credit except Dan and Stuart.
I was watching last night when Vanessa started going on and on and on and on about the food fight, getting all upset, ensuring Shell agreed with her (despite Shell up to that point enjoying the night). I was screaming at the telly - she was winding them up so much you could see it was going to kick off.
Her initial concern seemed to be that Dan was playing along with the harem, which would mean she would definately be voted out on Friday. Then she started with her "they're beneath me" rant, then the "I'm African, I can't bare to see food wasted" tirade. Victor and Jay were slagging off Dan, Vanessa then said she liked Michelle but not Emma and she couldn't stand the mess, living like animals, everyone beneath her etc.
I really do think this wound Jay up so much, that's why he went into the kitchen and demaned they tidy up...then the fireworks started.
I do think the fight would have happened anyway, but I do think that Vanessa was the catalyst for it. I've also read that she told Shell she couldn't stand Nadia trying to be her (Shell's) new best friend.
All of Vanessa's bitching seems to stem from deep insecurity that she will not be the most popular....yet denied by saying she won't lose her dignity by trying to be popular!!
Her initial concern seemed to be that Dan was playing along with the harem, which would mean she would definately be voted out on Friday. Then she started with her "they're beneath me" rant, then the "I'm African, I can't bare to see food wasted" tirade. Victor and Jay were slagging off Dan, Vanessa then said she liked Michelle but not Emma and she couldn't stand the mess, living like animals, everyone beneath her etc.
I really do think this wound Jay up so much, that's why he went into the kitchen and demaned they tidy up...then the fireworks started.
I do think the fight would have happened anyway, but I do think that Vanessa was the catalyst for it. I've also read that she told Shell she couldn't stand Nadia trying to be her (Shell's) new best friend.
All of Vanessa's bitching seems to stem from deep insecurity that she will not be the most popular....yet denied by saying she won't lose her dignity by trying to be popular!!
all the ones involved were just looking for an excuse to let of steam - pent up anger - it gets you in the end!
Originally Posted by cath99:
“I was watching last night when Vanessa started going on and on and on and on about the food fight, getting all upset, ensuring Shell agreed with her (despite Shell up to that point enjoying the night). I was screaming at the telly - she was winding them up so much you could see it was going to kick off.
Her initial concern seemed to be that Dan was playing along with the harem, which would mean she would definately be voted out on Friday. Then she started with her "they're beneath me" rant, then the "I'm African, I can't bare to see food wasted" tirade. Victor and Jay were slagging off Dan, Vanessa then said she liked Michelle but not Emma and she couldn't stand the mess, living like animals, everyone beneath her etc.
I really do think this wound Jay up so much, that's why he went into the kitchen and demaned they tidy up...then the fireworks started.
I do think the fight would have happened anyway, but I do think that Vanessa was the catalyst for it. I've also read that she told Shell she couldn't stand Nadia trying to be her (Shell's) new best friend.
All of Vanessa's bitching seems to stem from deep insecurity that she will not be the most popular....yet denied by saying she won't lose her dignity by trying to be popular!!”
“I was watching last night when Vanessa started going on and on and on and on about the food fight, getting all upset, ensuring Shell agreed with her (despite Shell up to that point enjoying the night). I was screaming at the telly - she was winding them up so much you could see it was going to kick off.
Her initial concern seemed to be that Dan was playing along with the harem, which would mean she would definately be voted out on Friday. Then she started with her "they're beneath me" rant, then the "I'm African, I can't bare to see food wasted" tirade. Victor and Jay were slagging off Dan, Vanessa then said she liked Michelle but not Emma and she couldn't stand the mess, living like animals, everyone beneath her etc.
I really do think this wound Jay up so much, that's why he went into the kitchen and demaned they tidy up...then the fireworks started.
I do think the fight would have happened anyway, but I do think that Vanessa was the catalyst for it. I've also read that she told Shell she couldn't stand Nadia trying to be her (Shell's) new best friend.
All of Vanessa's bitching seems to stem from deep insecurity that she will not be the most popular....yet denied by saying she won't lose her dignity by trying to be popular!!
”
pleased some one agrees with my slant on things
Originally Posted by cath99:
“I was watching last night when Vanessa started going on and on and on and on about the food fight, getting all upset, ensuring Shell agreed with her (despite Shell up to that point enjoying the night). I was screaming at the telly - she was winding them up so much you could see it was going to kick off.
Her initial concern seemed to be that Dan was playing along with the harem, which would mean she would definately be voted out on Friday. Then she started with her "they're beneath me" rant, then the "I'm African, I can't bare to see food wasted" tirade. Victor and Jay were slagging off Dan, Vanessa then said she liked Michelle but not Emma and she couldn't stand the mess, living like animals, everyone beneath her etc.
I really do think this wound Jay up so much, that's why he went into the kitchen and demaned they tidy up...then the fireworks started.
I do think the fight would have happened anyway, but I do think that Vanessa was the catalyst for it. I've also read that she told Shell she couldn't stand Nadia trying to be her (Shell's) new best friend.
All of Vanessa's bitching seems to stem from deep insecurity that she will not be the most popular....yet denied by saying she won't lose her dignity by trying to be popular!!”
“I was watching last night when Vanessa started going on and on and on and on about the food fight, getting all upset, ensuring Shell agreed with her (despite Shell up to that point enjoying the night). I was screaming at the telly - she was winding them up so much you could see it was going to kick off.
Her initial concern seemed to be that Dan was playing along with the harem, which would mean she would definately be voted out on Friday. Then she started with her "they're beneath me" rant, then the "I'm African, I can't bare to see food wasted" tirade. Victor and Jay were slagging off Dan, Vanessa then said she liked Michelle but not Emma and she couldn't stand the mess, living like animals, everyone beneath her etc.
I really do think this wound Jay up so much, that's why he went into the kitchen and demaned they tidy up...then the fireworks started.
I do think the fight would have happened anyway, but I do think that Vanessa was the catalyst for it. I've also read that she told Shell she couldn't stand Nadia trying to be her (Shell's) new best friend.
All of Vanessa's bitching seems to stem from deep insecurity that she will not be the most popular....yet denied by saying she won't lose her dignity by trying to be popular!!
”
Marco had already decided to bait Jason - he said so after Emma said what she had seen even though Emma told him to do nothing. vanessa is perfectly entitled to criticise the Hareem - the place looked like a chimps tea party so most people would get upset.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Marco had already decided to bait Jason - he said so after Emma said what she had seen even though Emma told him to do nothing. vanessa is perfectly entitled to criticise the Hareem - the place looked like a chimps tea party so most people would get upset.”
“Marco had already decided to bait Jason - he said so after Emma said what she had seen even though Emma told him to do nothing. vanessa is perfectly entitled to criticise the Hareem - the place looked like a chimps tea party so most people would get upset.”
vannessa was really miffed that the girls had come back, she was freindly when they came in but listening to a few comments she knew that her comments had been heard this more than the food fight upset her, the food fight was just an excuse to rant and get herself the center of attention, they are animals thats what she called them but even though shell joined in with them she didnt seem to mind that she had, and it showed shell joining in on footage earlier show.She moaned that much that Jay was ready for a fight
