It is good to see I was sure Endemol would try to make the harem look as innocent as possible- If tonights highlights are an even,honest account of events ... I might even start to believe Endemol could learn from last night ..

The producers need to accept the most of the blame I think.

They asked to much of the cats-they could not cope with events ...

and as the harem ran riot - they never got the chance to calm down ...

They also asked to much of Emma - she also did not cope with events well-nor did she calm down ...

To much .... and all created by the producers ...

Justify what? According to the footage on BBLB all Jason really did was draw the boundaries by telling Marco to not do it again... albeit a little inappropriately.

That is no excuse at all. Jason's mental problems are nothing to do with Marco, and he certainly shouldn't have been on the recieving end of violence for dancing, whatever his dance was for.

Yes, everyone loses their temper at times, but I'd never take it out physically on someone who had shown zero agression towards me.

Though everyone was winding Victor and Jason up I think their real problem was the fact that they had lost control of the game, which they spent the previous hours ranting about. They could't handle the girls coming back into the game because they thought they had terminally weakened the harem and thus reduced their own chances of being nominated and I think that is mainly what triggered their anger. The actions of the other 'childish' housemates simply set them off. In a way it seems to me to be a case of the Strongest most ruthless housemates suddenly becoming the underdogs-I thing BB planned it that way with the bedsit thing. I was impressed by Stuart, Dan and Michelle and the way they handled things.

But in the end he physically didn't touch Marco he just lost his temper, I know he threatened him but maybe thats all it was, a threat.

You can't say if someone kept dancing in ur face being a arse u wouldn't snap at him and tell him to stop him. One way to stop him is threaten him.

Not really. Emma told Marco and Nadia what he knew and they became agitated. Emma tried to calm Marco but he decided to bait Jason.

People with little control plus large supply of drunk plus something to light the fuse, BB oviously planned on a row an idiot could have told them it might escalate.

That's exactly my point of view, too.
This morning was the first time in a while that I've liked Dan. Those three really did well. The other two...

One way to stop him would have been to knife him, too. Would that have been ok?
Of course not, and neither was very loudly threatening him with violence. Nothing condones that.

I'm looking forward to tonight's highlights - hopefully they play it down the middle. Emma and Marco were guilty as sin from last night's live feed, and certainly Marco's act on BBLB only confirms what I saw at 1.30am. I guess Emma and Victor's row was too OTT for pre-watershed!

And to the Emma/Marco apologists - get a life!

Yeah but that is going through with the threat, people threat but don't go through with it because the threat stops it from escalating even more.

In the end I don't wanna argue with you lets just agree to disagree

I'd rather support Emma and Marco than a pair of violent, unstable thugs.

Hey, enjoy your support of criminals.

Just watched the tray throwing incident on the uncut video from the C4 site and this is how it looks:

While Jay is talking down to Nadia, Victor and Emma (standing side by side) start a food fight at the table. Camera pans back to Jay and Nadia showing a silver tray flying past them, flying backwards from the table. Then Emma starts to walk away from the table and Victor can be seen in the background, throwing a silver tray, which hits Emma on the back. She picks up the tray and attempts to throw it back but she lets go too soon and it goes nowhere near him. At the same time, Victor picks up and throws a third tray, which lands at Emma’s feet.

So unless that first tray was thrown by Emma and deflected by Victor, Emma did not throw the first tray.

If Jason and Victor really were "violent, unstable thugs" I rather think that Emma and Marco would be in intensive care by now.

Ssshhhhh... Don't let the facts get in the way of a good Emma-bashing.

It's all true though, the evidence all points one way, and that is just another part of it.

Perhaps you could explain how you would have dealt with the situation. Would you just walk away? Would you quietly ask him to stop dancing in front of you?

Had it not been for Stuart holding Victor down by the neck and Dan lifting Emma like a rag doll and removing her from the situation, she may well have been.

According to the footage shown on BBLB. Emma and Vic were throwing food at each when Emma decides to pick up and throw a tray at Vic before standing up and walking away. As Emma walked away Vic threw the tray at her back and then the footage ended.

So for the sake of truth Emma DID throw the first tray.

What's wrong with doing just that? The guy was dancing fer c***ts sake. Losing your rag and violently shouting that you were going to take his head off is not a civilised response at all.

That's a response way beyond what was called for by the situation, especially considering that Marco was only dancing at him because he'd come in guns blazing shouting at them all.

he should have challenged marco to a dance-off

Exactly. A response fitting for the situation. Totally more appropriate than threats.

It is the minority of morons that would hit back at the Scots fans for gloating.

Victor and Jason would of kicked off about something last night you only had to look at their faces when the girls appeared.

At least Emma and Marco aknowledge their immaturity which is more than Vic and Jason do.

For the sake of truth! Don't make me laugh. An edited show cannot be taken for truth. I didn't even declare that watching live last night and watching/re-watching the live video clip was the truth. Only the people involved know the truth.

Am i the only one who thinks they're all as bad as each other? Victor saying he was gonna kill Emma was out of line, but Emma was just as bad by aying it back and throwing stuff at him. Jason losing his rag cos of Marco's dancing was ridiculous, but then Marco was goading him so maybe it was the straw that broke the donkey's back? Vanessa I personally can't stand, cos she was talking about them being childish and animals, but wasn't it her who broke the statue "for fun". She irritates me and i hope she goes soon. Emma was spoiling for a fight in there, but she picked a bloke who had already made it clear he was there to "cause chaos". not sure what to think of michelle yet... I need to watch more footage.
Stu and Dan dragging Emma and Victor off each other was eprfectly timed. a minute longer and one of them would have bitten the dust!
Poor shell spewing up cos of it all.
okay theres probably mroe but right now I'm seeing the main people as Emma, Victor, Jason and Vanessa, Marco and Nadia. They're all slightly to blame for alst night and all need a good dressing down.
Anyone know if Emma's coming back?

The piece lasted about 30 seconds and shown without cut or camera change from Emma and Vic throwing food at each other until Emma walked away. It was clear that Emma picked up and threw the first tray. I suggest you watch the repeat and judge for yourself.

Emma and Marco - both master practitioners of the "you can't hit me, I'm a woman/mincing queen" school of fighting.

Stand in someone's face. Provoke them until they react. Run off crying.

Now, who do I respect more here? The people who tried to prokove a fistfight, or the people who refused to start it?