Marco and Emma were looking for a fight...

The fact that Jason and Victor didn't actually deck them shows great restraint I think...

Or you think you could remain calm with those two screaming in your face all night?

No, they shouldn't.

This is a much treasured view of post-feminists, bitter misogynists, perpetrators of domestic violence and message posters determined to defend their favourite HM.

"You wound be up/burnt the dinner/weakly pushed at me/shouted at me/whatever therefore being twice your size I can shove you/threaten to kill you/push you across the room/give you a good slapping/whatever with impunity."

Anyway personally I preferred the sexual abuse controversy on this site when Jade got stripped in BB3. Now that really was the end of civilisation as we knew it.

while i dont think victor behaved well, i doubt i would have either if i had a tray chucked off the back of my head, Very often Girls get off with violence because they are girls. Take a look at the zero tolerance campaign in Scotland and other domestic violence groups and you will discover that female to male violence is not tolerated either.
too many people are using the Emma is a girl excuse to justify her actions.

After saying that if one person has to go it has to be Marco, he started it all and Van also claimed he shoved her in the bathroom last night. maybe physical violence does not apply to gay men to women either.

as for nadia she is legally a man so her behaviour should be considored threating as well.

if you watch the footage again, you will see vic and jay saying (from the moment they retreated to the snug at about midnight) that they were looking for a fight.

they're blaming Emma and Marco because they're part of the thug culture so evident in the country recently. If these people hadn't been badded from going to Portugal, they'd not be on the board to poison us with their pro-Victor pro-Jason propoganda.

I still don't understand how anyone can be right in the head and support Victor and Jason. It disgusts me.

Maybe not, but I would do like Shell did and go and throw cushions in the snug or something. (Food would be a good idea)

Marco's only fault was he didn't notice that Jason and Victor were looking to kick off from the moment Emma and Michelle reentered the house. The looks on their faces said it all on the live C4 show last night. And this is from someone who genuinely detests Marco, but I think Vic and Jay were just looking for any excuse last night.

Watched it all night and have to say it was Marco, Emma's and Nadia's fault in that order. Victor tried to diffuse the situation before being pushed by Emma and then losing his rag and throwing wine on her top. Why are people blaming Victor and why are a lot of the news reports incorrect.

Have you been watching what actually happened? Can you be objective for a moment?

I think this arguement sorts out who are the teens on this Bulletin board and who are the adults.

i blame emma and marco - they were purposely winding them up. had i been victor or jay i would have done a lot worse.

Exactly, and it's really unfair that Emma's been banged up in the bedsit alone.

Spot on... the way Jason was behaving, and effing and jeffing after Emma's return, and the way he and Victor were talking, they simply provoked the reaction, so why blame emma and marco for what they got back? Jason and Victor are simply two very very nasty pieces of work, and the quicker they leave the better

Then you are a thug. A hooligan. And worse. Emma, Marco and Nadia were winding them up yes, but it was hilarious. They should have stayed in the snug and raged at each other.

what was hilarious about, if you thought that waas hilarious, you are warped. People get murdered on the streets for less provokation than that, they got off light. Don't stick your nose out too far, for someone will lop it off.

They tried to but Marco pointed a hosepipe at them through the window.

As someone who knows someone who has suffered from domestic abuse i find it upsetting the people who justify the actions of Marco and Emma because they are female or gay.

Marco was provoking Jason to the point of reaction, because it is not violent does not make it acceptable.

The people who think marco , emma and Nadia were just having fun should look at domestic abuse and maybe they will realise a thing or two.

The issue goes further than who you like or dislike in the house to who created the issue to gain a reaction and then cried wolf when the reaction was worse than they expected.

although Channel 4 /endermol are hardly innocent in the affair either

Yes there is an excuse its called "provocation" look it up... its well known in English law.

V&J innocent.

E&M GUILTY.

Didn't they do that at one point though? Only Emma came in and tried winding them up?

You can't wind people up ALL night and not expect a response. If you go looking for a fight and an arguement (which the Harem so clearly did) then you have to expect a reaction and deal with the consequences.

Where's all this crap about domestic abuse come from anyway?

Did J hit anyone? No? Did Victor hit anyone? No. Did they get angry and abusive? Yes. But so did the Harem! Personally I support J and V more than Harem, not because I like them but because they were continually provoked over a number of hours by a bunch of social retards. Food fights? Screaming? Deliberately provoking people? How anyone can like and support that vile group of individuals is beyond me.

So people get murdered on the street for less....does that make it right?
I know J & V got hosed in the snug, but hey, a bit of water never hurt anyone and if they had lightened up earlier and accepted the situation they would have found it as funny as we did.

I do not stick up for Marco cos he is gay. I do not champion Nadia because she's transexual. I do not think that being female gives you certain priviliges. I just say that they were just having fun and because it was the lads who lost their rag.

LOL! The fact that Jason and Victor were clearly sneering and putting out their amazingly bad vibes had nothing to do with it? V & J were provoking a response. They got one! Good on Emma!

I know.....and that's the whole point of BB though isn't it. Surviving in a restricted, fake environment with 11 people you don't know.

From where I stand......Victor and Jason failed to survive.

Errrrrrrrrr... I think that should be the other way aroud actually!

I have been a VICTIM of that stupid law myself!!!!!!!!!

I repeat: NOTHING should provoke a man (or woman) to violence.

Thats your opinion... fact is most sain people will agree with me. Marco & Emma are the ones who started it.