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From a viewer perspective, Emma needs to go back in
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kahio-x
17-06-2004
Forget what's right or wrong for a second, but as a show, it will lose too much if Emma goes, because it will symbolise a lot for the other housemates and may just be too much for them to handle. Personally i dont want them killing each other, but i dont want BB4 either. Emma in there would also let the bullies know that they haven't won.

What do you guys think? forget about ur morals, about right and wrong and just think what would make better tv...

k.
Gaz22
17-06-2004
Who are these "bullies" you speak of?
SULLA
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“Forget what's right or wrong for a second, but as a show, it will lose too much if Emma goes, because it will symbolise a lot for the other housemates and may just be too much for them to handle. Personally i dont want them killing each other, but i dont want BB4 either. Emma in there would also let the bullies know that they haven't won.

What do you guys think? forget about ur morals, about right and wrong and just think what would make better tv...

k.”

She needs to sort out her problems with Victor first and vice versa. Why not try Emma in the house and Victor in the bedsit.
George Smiley
17-06-2004
She needs counselling.
NewWoman
17-06-2004
Nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of what happened last night as I'm reserving judgement til I've seen it for myself but I find Emma totally unwatchable. She just makes my teeth itch. Throwing food and running round screaming doesnt make entertainment. So I think the house was 100% better when Michelle and Emma werent in it.
kahio-x
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by Gaz22:
“Who are these "bullies" you speak of?”

Well victor is a self proclaimed bully, and he seems pround of it. And Jay, well, actions spoke louder than words.

Anyway, forget that, but as tv show, what will be more "exciting" or "watchable", Emma pissing off or Emma back in?
brunobrookes
17-06-2004
I thought Emma and Marco were the "bullies" of a sort with their petty sarcastic goading of Victor & Jason, which only served to wind them up more.
ngchol
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by kahio-x:
“Forget what's right or wrong for a second, but as a show, it will lose too much if Emma goes, because it will symbolise a lot for the other housemates and may just be too much for them to handle. Personally i dont want them killing each other, but i dont want BB4 either. Emma in there would also let the bullies know that they haven't won.

What do you guys think? forget about ur morals, about right and wrong and just think what would make better tv...

k.”

I can't remove the moral dimension from this issue, sorry. Much as I dislike Emma, I shall try to put that aside. For her own well-being, she does need counselling. As theanger-management expert said on BBLB, she seems like a very angry person and she needs professional help to work through this. The last thing she needs is to go back in the house.
mr_ray
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by brunobrookes:
“I thought Emma and Marco were the "bullies" of a sort with their petty sarcastic goading of Victor & Jason, which only served to wind them up more.”

Oh don't be so daft. Merry dancing as a form of bullying? Whatever next.
yahoodlums
17-06-2004
I think Emma has put herself in this position. She is way too aggressive for her own good. She has to go.
HBK
17-06-2004
Apologies allround. Too lovey dovey.

Send her back in.
mr_ray
17-06-2004
Well am I the only one thinking that the only true fair way to resolve this is a viewer vote?
"Emma, Victor - one shall stay, one shall go. You decide."
NoDOGs
17-06-2004
I think viewer preferences should take a back seat in this matter. Other things remaining equal it's just not sensible to have Emma back in there unless a certain other member leaves. I thought that was obvious since the "poogate" altercation - the producers shouldn't have needed last night to realise their explosive potential. Whether or not she can sensibly return is IMO entirely mutually exclusive to whether or not her nemesis is there; and vice-versa for him. nd
kahio-x
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by yahoodlums:
“I think Emma has put herself in this position. She is way too aggressive for her own good. She has to go.”

I am sorry to use your post as an example, but i dont understand this sort of thinking. I can understand peopel thinking she is aggressive, but the double standards are just unbearable, how emma has been more aggressive than Jay or Vic is beyond me...

Well personally im betyond caring now, with all the people involved, the production team, the police, the tv people, it'll probably be taken off the air in a week...
brunobrookes
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by mr_ray:
“Oh don't be so daft. Merry dancing as a form of bullying? Whatever next. ”

Once again, it was not simply "merry dancing", but deliberate sarcastic comments from a presumed position of power (the knowledge of the bedsit). Well maybe I should wait for the footage but I bet it wasn't one-way traffic. Don't tell me that Emma & Marco weren't deliberately trying to wind Victor & Jason up.
lauranceallen
17-06-2004
send her back there to face the ungodly mess she has now created, she needs to explain herself.
mr_ray
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by brunobrookes:
“Once again, it was not simply "merry dancing", but deliberate sarcastic comments from a presumed position of power (the knowledge of the bedsit). Well maybe I should wait for the footage but I bet it wasn't one-way traffic. Don't tell me that Emma & Marco weren't deliberately trying to wind Victor & Jason up.”

Yes, I agree 100% - that they were trying to wind them up. Considering the comments and insults and slurs that Victor & Jason had made against them, a little dancing is, if anything, a very mild response.

Dancing is not threatening, promising to rip someone's head off is.
linlam
17-06-2004
Dan talking to a tearful Michelle saying how hard it must have been to be cooped up in the bedsit for 5 days with Emma...she says Emma was simmering away... they were both in tears, and that emma didnt like to be compared to Jade Goody, and being called rascist. Michelle feels very emotional at the moment.
linlam
17-06-2004
Michelle wants to go home, but when prompted says she's not missing anyone. Her family will be pleased.
mr_ray
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by linlam:
“Michelle wants to go home, but when prompted says she's not missing anyone. Her family will be pleased.”

Considering just how early her family got the knives into her back and sold their story to the press, I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't miss them. They sound like a very bad family to have.
applepie2100
17-06-2004
I personally believe there is no longer a place for Emma in the house.
Inspiration
17-06-2004
Is Emma still in the bedsit? If shes been there all day... alone... I think the chances of her having walked are high now.
Mesostim
17-06-2004
For the balance of the show to be restored Emma needs to go....
SULLA
17-06-2004
[quote=mr_ray]Well am I the only one thinking that the only true fair way to resolve this is a viewer vote?
"Emma, Victor - one shall stay, one shall go. You decide."[/QUOTE

But who needs to be eVICted ?
Longsightboy
17-06-2004
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“Is Emma still in the bedsit? If shes been there all day... alone... I think the chances of her having walked are high now.”

Yep, she's still there, listening to music on a CD walkman in bed while smoking a fag!
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