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Why are people so insistant on not liking mainstream artists/songs?
Just a general question really, and I know it doesn't apply to everyone, but does anyone else find a lot of people tend to favour artists who are unknown over well-known ones? If they're a genuine fan it's fine, but I'm sure some people just automatically disregard a song/artist just because it's frequently in the Top 10 or what have you.
I appreciate that there are some criminally unknown, unsigned singers and bands out there, but if anyone was to go down my Artists list on my iPod (or my "Interpreten" list as I have my iPod set to German ), you'd have heard of 90% of the artists. It's not that I'm horribly uneducated in my music tastes, I just can't deny that I become fans of bands/singers who drum up more publicity and whose songs are played on the radio. Seems logical to me!
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What sums it up for me with a lot of people is when they say "I don't listen to the charts these days because it's all crap". In other words they pretend to know what's out there when really they know bugger-all
There's a lot of scepticism - people are put off by pop singers and groups you see on tv, and they think that's the only music out there. But even if you look in the top 40 this week, for instance, you can find some real quality songs in there. Some people are too ignorant imo. |
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What sums it up for me with a lot of people is when they say "I don't listen to the charts these days because it's all crap".
There's a lot of scepticism - people are put off by pop singers and groups you see on tv, and they think that's the only music out there. But even if you look in the top 40 this week, for instance, you can find some real quality songs in there. Some people are too ignorant imo. people love underground or (not well known as some would say) becaue they feel its real and they feel what the song means more then any mainstream song does. most people feel that commercal songs are not about the music and only to make money(which most are to be fair). thats why people like chipmunk fans turned on him when he went all commercial they thought he sold his sole for money. so in their minds why should they buy his music no more if he dont care about his fans to make the music they liked etc. |
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Most of the bands or astists I like are pretty unkown, I think most of the stuff I hear in the charts or the radio is crap, I like the odd song but not many. There are far more talented bands in the world that get no where near the recognition that they deserve.
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I got fed up of chart music because most of it sounds the same to me. I haven't listened to the radio in years because they just play the same dozen songs on a neverending loop...and hip hop dominates the music scene so much I feel quite alienated as a listener, because I generally am not into that genre.
I find I have to shun it a bit and dig a little deeper to find more original sounding artists who inspire me, these days. No snobbery involved, just boredom and frustration! |
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Generally because chart music/mainstream (these days anyway) is full of over produced pseudo type RnB over hyped mass produced computer generated audio tuned same old same old poop.
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I don't deliberately shun music that's mainstream/in the charts, it's more a case of the charts not even denting on my awareness of what music is out there.
The thing about mainstream/chart music is that what gets in the charts is basically determined by what gets played on the radio. Personally I don't listen to music radio, so my musical tastes are not influenced by what gets played on it. I use other sources to discover and follow artists that I like (facebook, myspace etc etc.) The fact I used to work as a indie/alternative club DJ and still have friends who DJ and promote indie/alternative clubs also means I get more exposure to those styles of music. Sometimes I will like music that happens to get into the charts, but even when this happens I'm probably not even aware of it as I pay no attention to the charts anyway. |
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Generally because chart music/mainstream (these days anyway) is full of over produced pseudo type RnB over hyped mass produced computer generated audio tuned same old same old poop.
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Generally because chart music/mainstream (these days anyway) is full of over produced pseudo type RnB over hyped mass produced computer generated audio tuned same old same old poop.
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What sums it up for me with a lot of people is when they say "I don't listen to the charts these days because it's all crap". In other words they pretend to know what's out there when really they know bugger-all
There's a lot of scepticism - people are put off by pop singers and groups you see on tv, and they think that's the only music out there. But even if you look in the top 40 this week, for instance, you can find some real quality songs in there. Some people are too ignorant imo. It's when people think that what you here on the radio is what music all about which it isn't. |
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Ignorance is listening to what is everywhere and disregarding anything that isn't. The charts ruin genres like pop and hip hop by using it for commercial purpose and image.
I'd say listening to what isn't everywhere and disregarding anything that is is also ignorant though. Some people (not those who have posted in this thread!) are terribly guilty of this.
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I'd say listening to what isn't everywhere and disregarding anything that is is also ignorant though. Some people (not those who have posted in this thread!) are terribly guilty of this.
Yeah I agree but that is a minority in comparison what I said. |
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It's hard not to disregard music which is everywhere when you've already heard it. If they already know the artist then it could be that they want to champion someone who isn't so well known for the sake of freshness. Quote:
This just about sums it up for me.Not enough variety these days.A million girls doing the Lily Allen/Katy Perry sound.My opinion is that it's 99% disposable pop which is forgotten in a few months.Long gone are the days of supergroups which are still around 30-40 years later and admired.It seems to be a case of make as much as you can in a year or two and disappear into obscurity.Crap reality music shows like X Factor have done nothing for the music industry.They grab people from a queue,stick them on a stage and they're famous.They haven't worked little clubs and gained any experience in live performing yet people shell out millions to watch such a raw product for a year or two.
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This just about sums it up for me.Not enough variety these days.A million girls doing the Lily Allen/Katy Perry sound.My opinion is that it's 99% disposable pop which is forgotten in a few months.Long gone are the days of supergroups which are still around 30-40 years later and admired.It seems to be a case of make as much as you can in a year or two and disappear into obscurity.Crap reality music shows like X Factor have done nothing for the music industry.They grab people from a queue,stick them on a stage and they're famous.They haven't worked little clubs and gained any experience in live performing yet people shell out millions to watch such a raw product for a year or two.
It's probably true that many of the sort of acts who dominate the charts these days don't tend to do small live gigs when they're starting out, which is another reason why I don't tend to end up being a fan of these sorts of artists - I just don't get any exposure to them, I tend to get more exposure to people who start off by playing small gigs/appearing low on the bill on festivals etc |
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What sums it up for me with a lot of people is when they say "I don't listen to the charts these days because it's all crap". In other words they pretend to know what's out there when really they know bugger-all
There's a lot of scepticism - people are put off by pop singers and groups you see on tv, and they think that's the only music out there. But even if you look in the top 40 this week, for instance, you can find some real quality songs in there. Some people are too ignorant imo. Part of the reason for that is because the charts have become so dominated by pop and Urban music, something that is also replicated in the mainstream media. Therefore anything outside of that has effectively become "underground", and, as non-commercial music, in its most general sense, is the most popular music in this country, then the mainstream will be ignored by so many. It is no accident three of the four best selling, paid for, music magazines are rock music magazines. The reason why they are so successful is because the music genres they cater for is ignored by the mainstream media, both broadcast and print. |
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I cannot stand autotuned R&B which seems to be the staple of the top 10 nowdays.
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I despise RnB, rap and Lady GaGa.
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I don't particularly like mainstream music as success is bought, there are plenty of articles about how the big companies control the music scene. There is occasionally a song that makes its way on it's own merits but of course the big labels don't like this so they sign them up and force them to conform to what the label wants, and overall what the big labels tell us are good I don't particularly find good atm.
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I just find the creativity of most general chart music to be quite poor these days. There's a lack of variety for me also.
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Well call me one of the ignorant ones then! I don't listen to chart music because I can say in all honesty that it doesn't appeal to me in anyway. Some tunes are decent but by and large, they are dominated by that autotuned, formula clap trap! Every few months a new fad comes along which every "artist" and their kid jumps on, then they get bored and move on to the next fad. I find it amusing watching the way most chart artists sell themselves to the latest hot producer who is producing the latest formulated tosh and change their image and "artistry" on a monthly basis.
"Watch the way that people go, to the cat that runs the show, next thing they are rolling thick, down with that clique, hmm! Soon enough they act the same, walk the same and talk the same, until these so called "inspired" state the look is "tired"... That lyric sums it up perfectly for me! |
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This is true, and something that annoys me too. But conversely, its just as annoying when people on here are instantly dismissive of less well known artists, and say they must be 'crap' because they don't sell much and they've never got to number one. And this is when they've never even listened to the artist in question. Its a pet hate of mine when people use sales figures to justify why one act is better than another.
Personally, I'm proud of the fact that I listen to whatever music I like, and I'm not swayed by either its sales figures or whether its 'cool' or not. I listen to a mixture of really successful and well-known artists (e.g. Britney and Girls Aloud) and ones that are only really known, in the UK at least, by hardcore pop fans (e.g. Annie, Frank, Namie Amuro, Margaret Berger etc). And then most of my favourite acts tend to be somewhere in the middle. I mean I can understand people who don't like the majority of chart songs, because there's hardly anything in the Top 40 that I'd actually buy. But I just hate closed minded people, who will dismiss an act purely on the basis that they're in the charts. |
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I'm a big music fan and I do like the odd top 40 chart hits but tbh they are all pants and all the same.
I'm a fan of world music so i search youtube and ask foreign people about artists in other countries. |For example im a big fan of romanian, greece and ukranian music for example. I use other sources rather than radio 1to find an 'inspiring' song which i think world music is all about. None of the songs in top 40 are inspiring. I find it sad music out there isn't known here. So some of us true music fans have to find out about it ourselves. It ether isn't known or never released and its such a waste of time. Check out the likes of: * Elena Gheorghe from romania * Helena Paparizou from greece * Ruslana from ukraine * Inna from romania * Eva Rivas from Armenia * Safura from Azerbaijan * Charlotte Perrelli from sweden * Yohanna from iceland * Hera Bjork from iceland * Shakira * Andra from romania * Andreea balan from romania * Kalomira form greece And il ensure you u'll like some of this music of different cultures! |
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I've never understood, though, why people are still so hung up on the singles charts these days. They ceased to be relevant to what people are listening to a long time ago.
Part of the reason for that is because the charts have become so dominated by pop and Urban music, something that is also replicated in the mainstream media. Therefore anything outside of that has effectively become "underground", and, as non-commercial music, in its most general sense, is the most popular music in this country, then the mainstream will be ignored by so many. It is no accident three of the four best selling, paid for, music magazines are rock music magazines. The reason why they are so successful is because the music genres they cater for is ignored by the mainstream media, both broadcast and print. Chart music is just massively homogenous right now that the only way to hear anything remotely different is to actually switch off the commercial radio stations and look away from the charts, and it's a good thing the internet has made that easier for people to do because all the interesting stuff clearly isn't happening in the charts. Its not about hating Pop music for the sake of it, if anything I've met more people who think the only music that exists in this world is only the stuff in the charts which just seems really narrow-minded and stupid to me. Its the 'underground' or less mainstream music and acts that a few years time the mainstream will more than likely be listening to a part of anyway, or at least more than likely in a watered-down, inferior version of it. Look at Dizzee Rascal: anyone who had listened to Boy In Da Corner when it first came out will say what a great album that was and how crap his music has become nowadays. Its not being 'snobby' or merely dismissing him because his music frequents the charts but because his music has genuinely descended into crap. The music of an artist a lot of the time suffers when searching for a wider audience so you can't be surprised when older fans will dismiss them when they become popular |
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Everything in the charts is just massively incestuous, everyone sounds the same. You'll have artists using the same couple of producers over and over on so many songs you'd swear they were by the same three or four people, you'll get so many groups of artists continually making songs with no one but each other you end up struggling to figure out whose actual song is whose, and everyone jumps on bandwagons and specific sounds in the hope to gain a big hit and not to seem excluded that all the music is just one note. Look at how many 'kooky' female solo artists there are in the charts, look at how many rappers and R'n'B singers are jumping on the cheesy Dance wagon, look at the same artists collaborating with each other over and over on songs. I don't hate Pop music. For goodnes sake I grew up listening to it but even amongst the absolute crap back then you'd still find interesting and varied music popping up out of nowhere now and then. That just doesn't happen anymore. No one takes and risks and the major record labels are just pushing the same identikit, cookie-cutter, conveyor belt crap over and over
Chart music is just massively homogenous right now that the only way to hear anything remotely different is to actually switch off the commercial radio stations and look away from the charts, and it's a good thing the internet has made that easier for people to do because all the interesting stuff clearly isn't happening in the charts. Its not about hating Pop music for the sake of it, if anything I've met more people who think the only music that exists in this world is only the stuff in the charts which just seems really narrow-minded and stupid to me. Its the 'underground' or less mainstream music and acts that a few years time the mainstream will more than likely be listening to a part of anyway, or at least more than likely in a watered-down, inferior version of it. Look at Dizzee Rascal: anyone who had listened to Boy In Da Corner when it first came out will say what a great album that was and how crap his music has become nowadays. Its not being 'snobby' or merely dismissing him because his music frequents the charts but because his music has genuinely descended into crap. The music of an artist a lot of the time suffers when searching for a wider audience so you can't be surprised when older fans will dismiss them when they become popular |
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* Eva Rivas from Armenia I remember her from "Eurovision". Didn't like her song, but she was super-fit! |
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), you'd have heard of 90% of the artists. It's not that I'm horribly uneducated in my music tastes, I just can't deny that I become fans of bands/singers who drum up more publicity and whose songs are played on the radio. Seems logical to me!

