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Should Victor be railroaded into having Emma back?
BBR-Avenger
18-06-2004
There has been a lot of things posted on this forum regarding Victors bullying behaviour but I am also seeing that he is also a victim of being the bullied both in the house and by BB.

He believes that the differences between himself and Emma cannot be resolved and that he feels she will come at him again, him being made to look like the bad guy.

He has expressed his concerns over and over again, should his opinions not be taken seriously?

I am all for getting people to make up but is it the right thing to do in this circumstance.
epsom
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by BBR-Avenger:
“There has been a lot of things posted on this forum regarding Victors bullying behaviour but I am also seeing that he is also a victim of being the bullied both in the house and by BB.

He believes that the differences between himself and Emma cannot be resolved and that he feels she will come at him again, him being made to look like the bad guy.

He has expressed his concerns over and over again, should his opinions not be taken seriously?

I am all for getting people to make up but is it the right thing to do in this circumstance.”

Sorry but it shouldn't be his decision on whether Emma can return to the House. It's arguable whether he should be in the House right now.
stupidityno1
18-06-2004
It's not up to Victor whether Emma goes back. He doesn't call the shots, despite seeming to think he does. If they can't sort out their problems tonight, then the only fair way of doing things is to evict them both. Neither deserves to be there more than the other.
Linda S
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by stupidityno1:
“It's not up to Victor whether Emma goes back. He doesn't call the shots, despite seeming to think he does. If they can't sort out their problems tonight, then the only fair way of doing things is to evict them both. Neither deserves to be there more than the other.”

I agree completely. Victor cannont be given the power to decide whether Emma comes back or not. I don't believe for one minute that he is afraid of Emma it just suits his game plan if she is evicted. For the record I think that Victor, Emma and Jason should be evicted and Emma was one of my favourites. I am not one of these people who feels that their favourite housemates can do no wrong but it seems that I am in the minority on this.
DieDieMyDarling
18-06-2004
He's been telling Jason and Stuart how he'll 'deal with her' if she comes back in.

The thing that surprises me in all this, is, Jason and Victor have BOTH been saying they'll hit her, if it comes to it. Yet they are both allowed to stay in the house. If they're going to punish one of them, they have to punish all 3. And possibly more, considering Vanessa hit Nadia, Nadia threw the table over (although apparently it was more as an obstacle for Jason, than an act of violence), etc. BB are in a bad way at the moment, if they do punish people, there might only be about 3 members left in the house!
BBR-Avenger
18-06-2004
I am not overly sure on this, but are the BB production team going to make thier decision as to what to do with Emma, maybe even Victor based upon the outcome of Emma's and Victor's mediation?
robbies_gal
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by BBR-Avenger:
“There has been a lot of things posted on this forum regarding Victors bullying behaviour but I am also seeing that he is also a victim of being the bullied both in the house and by BB.

He believes that the differences between himself and Emma cannot be resolved and that he feels she will come at him again, him being made to look like the bad guy.

He has expressed his concerns over and over again, should his opinions not be taken seriously?

I am all for getting people to make up but is it the right thing to do in this circumstance.”


his concerns are all tactics to make sure emma doesnt come back-its obvious. she gets taken out hes got noone left to fight with hence his game plan goes ahead

hes about as scared of her as i am of kittens

he actually said that, he himself, would be constantly in her face if she comes back so whos the one to blame now?
Kewpee
18-06-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by BBR-Avenger

There has been a lot of things posted on this forum regarding Victors bullying behaviour but I am also seeing that he is also a victim of being the bullied both in the house and by BB.

He believes that the differences between himself and Emma cannot be resolved and that he feels she will come at him again, him being made to look like the bad guy.

He has expressed his concerns over and over again, should his opinions not be taken seriously?

I am all for getting people to make up but is it the right thing to do in this circumstance.”

I think it's quite interesting that Victor, and to some extent Jason, are saying they would prefer Emma not to return. Ok so they have had arguments, and near fights, but both of those men are capapble as giving as good as they get. If they feel they can't control themselves enough to refrain from hitting someone, then they should both leave anyway.

I have a suspicious mind myself, I have a sneaking feeling that Victor and Jason's agenda to keep Emma out, has more to do with their plans. If Emma returns the 'seal' group numbers at least four, and five if Stuart is influenced by them. Keeping Emma out helps them to keep their plans on track.
BBR-Avenger
18-06-2004
If it's all about tactics and not animosity then why would Victor express to anyone he would hit her, although I have heard from him that he wouldn't resort to hitting her. Has he only said this in front of Jason? Maybe to make Jason do the wrong thing rather than himself, another tactic maybe?.
Kewpee
18-06-2004
Quote:
“Originally posted by BBR-Avenger

If it's all about tactics and not animosity then why would Victor express to anyone he would hit her, although I have heard from him that he wouldn't resort to hitting her. Has he only said this in front of Jason? Maybe to make Jason do the wrong thing rather than himself, another tactic maybe?.”

It's definitely tac tics as far as I'm concerned. All the talk of Victor hitting Emma is just him trying to make it as difficult as possible for BB to return her. IMO if he really doesn't think he can control himself physically then he should go now. Victor knows what he's doing, he and Jason will use every trick they can to diminish the other group.

Their faces when Emma and Michelle returned, and their conversation after, told the story. In the pamper room they talked for ages about their plan being washed up and what to do next. Jason said they are back to square one. If they can keep Emma out they are already on the road to making their plan work. Michelle worried them too to begin with, but they now think they can influence her and Stuart as long as Emma stays away.
buddhistpunk
18-06-2004
This is Victor's second day of repeatedly telling BB and the HMs that if Emma comes back the same thing will happen again. It will be interesting to see if he is this cocky in his meeting with Emma.

BB appear as though they are allowing him to dictate to them what happens because they want him to stay in and have another fight thus boosting their ratings as the fight two nights ago did.
robbies_gal
18-06-2004
well its disgusting if theyre keeping him in because of the thought of another fight

theyre just as bad as he is

and i still think hes saying he'll hit emma just to get rid of her
Alli-F
18-06-2004
Why is it everyone in the house is apologising and owning up to their part in the madness, except Jason and Victor. Emma was seen on BBLB in the bedsit saying that she promised not to behave so badly again.
Why are Victor and Jason taking the moral high ground?
de_fault
18-06-2004
the truth of the matter is Emma is highly unstable, pour a few drinks down her and there's no telling what she may do.
if i was Victor i wouldn't want her back ...she's dangerous.

even without Emma the voting pattern looks in favour of the brat pack so i don't really see that as an issue.
Victor and Jason know it's just a matter of time.
Lee Cool
18-06-2004
It should be victor in the bedsit not emma, hes the 1 that caused the fight by slagging her off so much, and jason is just as much to blame. If victor cant control his temper then he should be thrown out not emma!
johnbuk
18-06-2004
He has no say in what happens, nor should he. Emma's actions were no worse than his, if she goes, he should go. Otherwise he should shut up, sit back, and relax.
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