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timepilot
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by Hackjaw:
“Oh wait, hold on.....no wonder he sleeps so much. What is in that tea of his? ”

lol

I must stress that i wasn't suggesting CH4 give them so much weed they can only sleep and crave munchies... just enough to chill them out a little.
Maybe not give any to stewart and Ahmed as they've obviously sneaked some in anyway
SunDried
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by lobeserve:
“no I did NOT say that people with 'mental problems' choose to smoke weed. I said weed brings out hidden mental problems. some people can get away with it, some people can't.

and there are dozens of research papers that suggest it does bring out mental problems.

obviously you've never seen someone's personality change from outgoing and active to subdued and paranoid as a result of smoking weed.”

No, I know you didn't say that people with mental problems choose to smoke weed - I did.

The point I was trying to make is that we cannot know if the weed brought these hidden problems to the surface, or the fact that they were surfacing caused the individual to search for a mood altering substance i.e. weed. So, because you cannot know (given that there is no way of observing both scenarios - one person with hidden problem a) smoking and b) not smoking, weed) you cannot know that the problems that emerged post weed would not have occurred in any case. What I am getting at here is that there is no 'control' in this observation of what appears to have been a consequence of smoking weed.

And yes, I have observed personality changes in people who have done all kinds of drugs, including weed, but my conclusion from this has often been that the person who has descended into mental illness post-weed was probably on their way their in any case, and took the weed to help them to deal with what was happening to them.

I can understand that it looks like the weed caused the problems - what I was suggesting is that it is as much a symptom as a cause.
lobeserve
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by timepilot:
“I've already made my argument that IF the housemates need a more relaxed atmosphere, where would the harm be in giving them weed rather than Alcohol”

Because weed is harmful in a different way! Have you read what I've said at all? They shouldn't be given excessive amounts of alchol of any amount of weed!


Originally Posted by timepilot:
“You said it was harmful!
100 times less harmful than the alcohol they're constant being fed by BB so what's your real problem?”

Jesus how many times do I have to make this point before you listen! Weed is harmful! Thats the problem! Why replace a punch in the face with a punch in the chest because it has a different harmful effect?

Originally Posted by timepilot:
“No, I think you're simply uninformed and scared of anything that you're not used to. I'm sure if you're feeling miserable you'll take anything the doctors throws at you... ”

Well that shows how uniformed you are. I skinned up loads of black, skunk during my experimental youth, not to mention dropping disco biscuits, white doves and tripping on everything else like purple haze. So don't question me about drugs ok! I stopped 6 years ago and never looked back. I've never taken an antidepressant and I'm pretty happy. Sport & exercise is the best drug! You want to relax, breath deeply and meditate.

Originally Posted by timepilot:
“Excessive exercise, smoking, drinking, eating fatty foods, prescribed medicines etc can all be very harmful. fact”

So what the hells that got to do with your argument?
Weed is harmful! Point made AGAIN
dryan
18-06-2004
As someone who has smoked weed heavily for over a year, it does cause problems. I have only recently stopped and I feel much better. It messes up your memory, can make depression much much worse and it makes you a lot more stupid.

I heard of a friend who's doctor told him smoking a joint was like smoking 15 cigarettes so the fact that it's less harmful than nicotine is a myth. As for the "it doesn't have to be smoked" argument, 99% of weed is probably smoked and very few people go to the hassle of preparing it to be eaten or buy the equipment necessary to take it without smoking so it's pretty much academic.

I would never recommend smoking weed to ANYONE, it is stupid and can ruin your life. It is also highly addictive if you smoke it enough. You eventually become psychologically addicted to it which obviously leads to money problems etc.
timepilot
18-06-2004
Loboserve...
explain why it's so harmful

1 night and a single frikkin joint (NO alcohol) will not ruin the housemates lives, their memory, get them addicted, make them VIOLENT.
applepie2100
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by Eraserhead:
“Wouldn't make very interesting viewing, would it? All the HM's on the sofas, monged out of their heads, stuffing Pringles and spicy dip and talking bollocks for hours on end.”

Isn't that what they do already?
chocolatekisses
18-06-2004
give all the HM's weed apart from Marco.............

..........give him some acid!

dance like a seal.
Trashcan
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by dryan:
“As someone who has smoked weed heavily for over a year, it does cause problems. I have only recently stopped and I feel much better. It messes up your memory, can make depression much much worse and it makes you a lot more stupid.

I heard of a friend who's doctor told him smoking a joint was like smoking 15 cigarettes so the fact that it's less harmful than nicotine is a myth. As for the "it doesn't have to be smoked" argument, 99% of weed is probably smoked and very few people go to the hassle of preparing it to be eaten or buy the equipment necessary to take it without smoking so it's pretty much academic.

I would never recommend smoking weed to ANYONE, it is stupid and can ruin your life. It is also highly addictive if you smoke it enough. You eventually become psychologically addicted to it which obviously leads to money problems etc.”

Is this 'Reefer Madness' all over again..
lobeserve
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by timepilot:
“Loboserve...
explain why it's so harmful”

I've already said, it brings out hidden mental problems for SOME people. It can heighten paranoia, anxiety and self awareness if they are already existant, and often people aren't aware of these conditions. Use on a regular basis that causes these problems can lead to the brain programming itself to believe that this is a normal state. It can result in agoraphobia, panic attacks manic depression and at the worst suicide.

There are many studies on this. Just head to the library.

If you really want proof, find the most anxious person you know, give them a heavy spliff in an unfamilar environment and watch them go into a fit like state. I saw someone do that once and it wasn't a particularly pleasant experience I can tell you.
BB-Five
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by timepilot:
“Loboserve...
explain why it's so harmful”

Cost, time, memory, health, psychological addictive
Oh I love a good spliff of skunk, but be realistic, it can't be good for you.
PuffinRub
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by lobeserve:
“how many HM's have got hidden mental problems?”

Hidden? Have you even been watching Big Brother this year?

Regards, Ade.
lobeserve
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by SunDried:
“
The point I was trying to make is that we cannot know if the weed brought these hidden problems .....

....has descended into mental illness post-weed was probably on their way their in any case, and took the weed to help them to deal with what was happening to them.”

yes, I take your point but there is a counter argument that suggests that if these things weren't accelerated by the use of such a drug then such an extreme state of anxiety/paranoia/depression would not be reached without it. In which case recovery from such problems would likely to be quicker. Seconldy long term problems more likely to be recognised for what they are since it can't be blamed on the weed.

but yes thats a complicated argument. however staying away from it can't be bad advice whichever way I look at it.
chocolatekisses
18-06-2004
everything enjoyable is bad 4 U!

but who wants to live a boring existance till they're 106.
lobeserve
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by justice4ratboy:
“everything enjoyable is bad 4 U!”

really? what like sex, sport, dancing, singing etc. etc.
chocolatekisses
18-06-2004
mind u, i had a boyfriend who smoked a lot of dope and he was so paronoid that when i called mike Baldwin (corrie) a bastard he was convinced i was talking about him in code.
then when we split up he said it was because he had made chilli with quorn instead of mince and it had fuddled my brain!!!

point taken - don't give psycho's dope.
chocolatekisses
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by lobeserve:
“really? what like sex, sport, dancing, singing etc. etc.”


dancing is especially bad - look what happened when marco danced.
lobeserve
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by justice4ratboy:
“dancing is especially bad - look what happened when marco danced. ”

yeah I guess. lol
SunDried
18-06-2004
Originally Posted by lobeserve:
“ however staying away from it can't be bad advice whichever way I look at it.”

Agree with you there.
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