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Old 20-08-2010, 22:03
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She's canceled her north American tour and reports are saying that she blames Lady Ga ga but is it really Ga ga's fault?
I didn't really like this album like I did her other ones but I guess I'm just wondering do you think she came back too soon?
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Old 20-08-2010, 22:07
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First of all "inside sources" say she blames Gaga for a cheap cry for attention to their site and hits. Christina herself has said she respects Gaga greatly. I know who i'd trust and that's the info straight from the horses mouth.

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My inside sources say that Westlife have hired Paul McCartney to write their next album.
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Old 20-08-2010, 22:18
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Because this subject hasn't been discussed nearly enough...
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Old 20-08-2010, 23:17
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Because this subject hasn't been discussed nearly enough...
Agree,

But she hasn't flopped at all, shes under performed for her status or usual sales. Big Difference.
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Old 20-08-2010, 23:23
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theres many threads all about this mate, ur a bit slow off the mark
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Old 20-08-2010, 23:56
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First of all "inside sources" say she blames Gaga for a cheap cry for attention to their site and hits. Christina herself has said she respects Gaga greatly. I know who i'd trust and that's the info straight from the horses mouth.
Maybe when she says that about Gaga in public she is lieing? Has that ever occured to you?
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Old 21-08-2010, 00:09
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She very well may be a bit pissed at all the Gaga chat, but she hasn't said anything in public so we can't assume that because it's plausibly true it gives us the right to trash Christina for it.

I mean, do we really think Gaga doesn't have a bad word to say against anyone? No. She just keeps her opinions to herself. Should we go around spreading that she thinks Katy Perry is a hypocritical prat because it could be true?

Tabloid gossip doesn't factor in that little old ditty of 'innocent till proven guilty' it seems.

I wouldn't blame her for resenting all the backlash she got as a result of Gaga. I doubt she holds Gaga responsible personally, because she didn't do or say anything, but no doubt she's fed up of ALWAYS being asked about her and every bit of press mentioning the copying/faux-feud.
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Old 21-08-2010, 00:59
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Only her label are to blame for messing up her 'comeback'. She wanted to create a totally different, low-key quality album full of integrity but the label interfered (obviously 'low-key' isn't something they want to hear) so it became neither here nor there.
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Old 21-08-2010, 02:16
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The ironic, and annoying thing is, she didn't copy her.
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Old 21-08-2010, 08:27
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It was Gaga's stans that ruined it not Gaga herself. She had nothing to do with it. Then he record company put the final nail in the coffin.
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Old 21-08-2010, 09:29
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There's quite a bit of buzz building up around her performance in Burlesque, so I wouldn't write her off just yet.
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Old 21-08-2010, 10:42
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Bionic being a flop had nothing to do with Lady Gaga, because most casual listeners don't care about their supposed "feud", it's all internet drama. The reason it flopped was because Not Myself flopped. And Not Myself Tonight flopped because of its lack of a melody. When you've been away for so long like Christina was, you need to come back hard and get the lead single perfect.
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Old 21-08-2010, 11:12
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The only decent song she did was Genie In A Bottle. She should retire now.
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Old 21-08-2010, 11:21
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First of all "inside sources" say she blames Gaga for a cheap cry for attention to their site and hits. Christina herself has said she respects Gaga greatly. I know who i'd trust and that's the info straight from the horses mouth.

Second of all, having numerous usernames on this forum incurs a lifetime ban for all associated accounts.

My inside sources say that Westlife have hired Paul McCartney to write their next album.
Not exactly true is it, when questioned first she laughed at her and called her "the Newcomer" as if she was no threat to her, then said she was "nice to look at" as if she lacked any substance.

Then after outcry against her, she come out with the "Interesting artist" nonsense.
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Old 21-08-2010, 11:24
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well it could be worse, she could be miley cyrus!!!!

like lele she has to learn the lead single sells the album, but her second single sounds really good
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Old 21-08-2010, 12:41
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I don't think the "failure" has anything to do with Gaga. I think it was because the first single [not myself tonight] was average and the video was horrible. Just my opinion. Plus promo was messed up.
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Old 21-08-2010, 12:45
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Oh no hannah that couldnt possibly be the reason it MUST be lady gaga or her fans fault
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Old 21-08-2010, 12:50
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Only her label are to blame for messing up her 'comeback'. She wanted to create a totally different, low-key quality album full of integrity but the label interfered (obviously 'low-key' isn't something they want to hear) so it became neither here nor there.
If she had done that she'd have sold even less than she has. You can't release a "low-key" album when you're on a major label who expect a return.

She flopped because of the lead single and lack of good songs on the album to release. Artists have come back from flop lead singles in the past but she had nothing on the album that could do that. Her image was also very unapproachable and unrelatable this era which I'm sure didn't help.
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Old 21-08-2010, 13:04
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Nobody is saying it was SOLELY the Gaga drama.

IMO, Bionic failed for a few reasons:

1) The material, first and foremost, was not up to scratch. It certainly isn't as bad as it's made out to be, but it clearly isn't as strong as it needed to be to overcome the doubters, the haters and please the fans. There are strong album tracks, but no hit singles.

2) Piss poor management. None of it makes sense. NMT was debuted/released a month before any promo performances kicked in and with the second single, YLM, it was announced/released months after all the promo performances. Genius.

3) Shit promotion. It was inconsistent, ineffective and non-existant beyond the US. To the public eye, she appeared to just turn up out of nowhere and release an album the same week. Her high profile performances told people she was back, but they failed to do much with the publics attention. Instead of buzz; performance; buzz; album...it was; performance; btw she has an album out. No build up. Even the huge platforms like AI/MTV/Oprah were handled poorly and they didn't maximise the potential exposure.

4) Perez's "hate campaign" against her and the Gaga comparisons that came with it. I hate to admit it, but he has much more influence than we'd like to acknowledge. He fuelled that fire extremely well, preaching that her new material was shit, she was a Gaga copy and that she was an utter flop. If you say that enough, people believe it. On the internet, that kind of attitude spreads like wild fire, especially with such an active community like Gaga fans. It tarnished her image, no doubt. Every bit of press I've seen about her has come back to this drama. It killed any buzz really, filtering through the gossip magazines/sites.

5) The singles. NMT was alright, the video was crap and was far more hassle than it was worth. WooHoo scrapped. Then I Hate Boys scrapped. Then YLM released far too late in the game, bringing down the tone and making the album seem bi-polar. Even Dirrty/Beautiful seemed cohesive.

6) She doesn't have her heart in it. I think it's painfully obvious that this album is not the one she wanted to make. She may be content enough, but her lack of effort makes me wonder. Her label/management interfered and too many cooks spoiled the broth, IMO.
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Old 21-08-2010, 13:51
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^Completely agree with all points above except from 6. She clearly wanted to make this album, I don't think her musical direction is dictated by anyone but herself and she did mention her intentions of a "futuristic" sound long before the album started to record.

Point 1 is the real sticking point, it is not Christina and fair play for her trying it but it didn't work and time to move on (or back for that matter). A pop album HAS to be on the agenda, her fans want to hear "that" voice, not masked with crap beats and underwhelming lyrics.

I have no doubt she can come back from this but she has to do what her last album said, get "Back to Basics" and go back to her pop/soul roots.
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Old 21-08-2010, 13:58
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Not exactly true is it, when questioned first she laughed at her and called her "the Newcomer" as if she was no threat to her, then said she was "nice to look at" as if she lacked any substance.

Then after outcry against her, she come out with the "Interesting artist" nonsense.
After people Constantly compared her to Gaga a few months ago she said that it wasn't the first time shed been unfairily pitted against another female. She said she respected gaga.

So ...yes it was true.
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Old 21-08-2010, 16:47
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^Completely agree with all points above except from 6. She clearly wanted to make this album, I don't think her musical direction is dictated by anyone but herself and she did mention her intentions of a "futuristic" sound long before the album started to record.

Point 1 is the real sticking point, it is not Christina and fair play for her trying it but it didn't work and time to move on (or back for that matter). A pop album HAS to be on the agenda, her fans want to hear "that" voice, not masked with crap beats and underwhelming lyrics.

I have no doubt she can come back from this but she has to do what her last album said, get "Back to Basics" and go back to her pop/soul roots.
Sorry, I should have gone into more detail there.

What I meant was the current incarnation of Bionic doesn't strike me as what she wanted from it.

Bionic was near on finished last year, but she delayed it till after Burlesque. She then, after the delay, said she went to record new material (we're talking last minute, a month or so before release after taking years to put this album together) after feeling 'inspired' by the experience. Now, I'm not sure how belting out Etta James classics and burlesque numbers inspired 'Not Myself Tonight' and the other trashy R&B stuff.

To me, it's far more likely that her label/management were not convinced that Bionic would sell and had her go away and record some last minute 'hits' for the album. The added songs stick out from the album, they're nearly all Tricky Stewart/Polow da Don productions, and have a different sound from the 'futurstic/organic' feel she originally described. Even now, when she lists her collaborators she never mentions them, she focuses on M.I.A, Ladyhawke, Santogold, Sia etc.

So, I think there is some truth to the rumours of her boycotting or at least resenting and being hands off, with this album because her vision was interfered with.

As for your other points, yes. Totally. I have no doubt in my mind she can have a proper come back, she's still Christina Aguilera and she still has that voice. Her status and talent transcends a flopped album. Can't think of many singers on her level that haven't had a poor album amongst the gems.

I want a neo-soul, edgy, raw, powerful 'i'm back bitches' effort from her. With a lead single that has that Ain't No Other Man roaring belt at the beginning, making the point that nobody else in the business is doing that. Let the others have their dance/pop.
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Old 21-08-2010, 16:52
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How much has the album actually sold so far??
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Old 21-08-2010, 17:10
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I wouldn't quite call it a flop just yet. It was disappointing- Yes! But IMO "You Lost Me" is a great Xtina ballad in the style of "Hurt" or "Beautiful". Plus, her new movie is out in December and she is rumoured to be amazing in it. This could be the boost she needs after all the negative feedback surrounding "Bionic"
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Old 21-08-2010, 17:41
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How much has the album actually sold so far??
I think its at around 500k worldwide.
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