The Ratings Thread (Part 11)

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mlt11

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“I'd be interested to know if that is the match average or the programme average.

Also, it isn't mentioned in the actual press release (http://corporate.sky.com/media/press..._landmarks.htm), so not sure where the 800,000 figure has come from.

If it's for the entire show, then more watched in HD, if its for the match only, then more watched in SD.”

I would strongly suspect it's the match average.

30% of Sky homes have HD so it seems unlikely over 50% of audience would be watching in HD - even allowing for higher HD penetration in Sky Sports homes.

Also Sky would want to announce the highest figure possible which would be the match figure - eg if programme average was 800,000 that suggests match average around 1m and they would therefore want to announce the 1m figure.

GeorgeS

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Both of which are a type of rating, are they not?”

No. Reach is the total number of people that watch a channel over a period of time say 1 week. You can easily get 11m viewers but still reach only 20% of the population, whereas you can have different shows appealing to different audiences that cumulatively get a higher reach.

Appreciation is how well people liked the show. It has nothing to do with the gross number of viewers.

iaindb

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by rzt:
“If Inspector George Gently airs at 8:30pm on Wednesdays, Waterloo Road will have to be moved again. I suppose they can start it at 7:30pm which isn't so bad - in fact it could benefit from The One Show lead-in - but it's yet another timeslot change for the show!

I think George Gently is two episodes this series. Could be facing Midsomer Murders which wouldn't be the wisest move.”

Bang Goes The Theory is on at Wed at 7.30. If George Gently is 90 minutes then the only slot for it is Sunday at 7.30.

Dancc

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“No. Reach is the total number of people that watch a channel over a period of time say 1 week. You can easily get 11m viewers but still reach only 20% of the population, whereas you can have different shows appealing to different audiences that cumulatively get a higher reach.

Appreciation is how well people liked the show. It has nothing to do with the gross number of viewers.”

My understanding with AI is that people with BARB boxes rate the programme they are watching, is that not the case? It is a rating which reflects quality rather than quantity and should be looked at equally. (and I'm sure they do)

Dancc

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by C14E:
“Though I do find it absurd to suggest the only way that the BBC can measure its public service value is by audience figures. The implication being that BBC4 provides less public benefit than ITV2. The important thing is for the BBC to provide services that others can't. Given the way the BBC has grown over the years, it now simply needs the ratings to justify the license fee and its continued existence rather than to justify its public service credentials. There's a difference.”

Should have been clearer. I was talking about BBC One rather than the BBC generally. Of course what BBC Four does is fantastic from a PSB point-of-view and needs to be assessed in a different way.

Leeah

02-09-2010

Jesus Christ!! Just catching up on the thread.. whats with all the EE vs Corrie crap dominating the thread? :sleep::yawn: It's ever so tedious now.

Charnham

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by Leeah:
“Jesus Christ!! Just catching up on the thread.. whats with all the EE vs Corrie crap dominating the thread? :sleep::yawn: It's ever so tedious now.”

it wont end until one is axed, its an ever lasting arguement.

That said in EE 25th year and Corries 50th year, it has been more discussion than normal, given the high profile nature of the celebrations, as wel as the slightly over hyped fall from grace of ITV.

rzt

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Bang Goes The Theory is on at Wed at 7.30. If George Gently is 90 minutes then the only slot for it is Sunday at 7.30.”

Ah right. 7:30pm would be a bit early for George Gently to air. I think there'll be some changes to that Sunday schedule, maybe ending up something like: 18:30- Countryfile, 19:30- Battle of Britain, 21:00- Inspector George Gently

KennyT

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“1) Reach.
2) Appreciation.”

Appreciation without an audience rating isn't a reliable guide to anything. A "marmite" show that gets a low AI with a reasonable audience for its first episode, may end up with a high AI with a low audience for later shows as the people that don't like "marmite" don't get included in the AI figures.

K

Dancc

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by Leeah:
“Jesus Christ!! Just catching up on the thread.. whats with all the EE vs Corrie crap dominating the thread? :sleep::yawn: It's ever so tedious now.”

You mean you don't support one or the other?

It's the Ratings Thread equivalent of Man Utd v Chelsea.

Charnham

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“You mean you don't support one or the other?

It's the Ratings Thread equivalent of Man Utd v Chelsea. ”

but which is which?

derek500

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by mlt11:
“I would strongly suspect it's the match average.

30% of Sky homes have HD so it seems unlikely over 50% of audience would be watching in HD - even allowing for higher HD penetration in Sky Sports homes.

Also Sky would want to announce the highest figure possible which would be the match figure - eg if programme average was 800,000 that suggests match average around 1m and they would therefore want to announce the 1m figure.”

Yes but aren't we comparing Sky Panel HD figures for number of homes watching, with BARB panel SD/HD combined for individual viewers?

We would need to see the Sky Panel SD figures to compare.

Also, now SS1 and SS2 HD are in Virgin homes, do Sky Panel pick those up too?

Whatever, it makes the BARB HD FTA football ratings appear extremely low.

Score

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Ah right. 7:30pm would be a bit early for George Gently to air. I think there'll be some changes to that Sunday schedule, maybe ending up something like: 18:30- Countryfile, 19:30- Battle of Britain, 21:00- Inspector George Gently”

I guess it depends on what ITV do as they've got their first Sunday X Factor that night and I think Joe Maddison's War would be better suited to a pre-watershed slot. I suspect they'll go: 19:15- X Factor, 20:30- Joe Maddison's War. Therefore George Gently will probably also start at 20:30 with the Battle of Britain programme on a different night.

Dancc

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by Charnham:
“but which is which?”

Since Corrie is filmed in Manchester and 'Enders set in London, is that not obvious?

KennyT

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Since Corrie is filmed in Manchester and 'Enders set in London, is that not obvious? ”

Not necessarily, since, apparently, no MU fans actually live in Manchester!!!

D.M.N.

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by Score:
“I guess it depends on what ITV do as they've got their first Sunday X Factor that night and I think Joe Maddison's War would be better suited to a pre-watershed slot. I suspect they'll go: 19:15- X Factor, 20:30- Joe Maddison's War. Therefore George Gently will probably also start at 20:30 with the Battle of Britain programme on a different night.”

Well the consistent slot for X Factor would have gone straight out the window with that scheduling...

rzt

02-09-2010

Regarding Corrie, ITV have commissioned a 'special' 2-part documentary later this year showcasing the show's 50 best ever moments.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Well the consistent slot for X Factor would have gone straight out the window with that scheduling...”

TXF's scheduling last year before the live shows wasn't too consistent. Two of the Sunday episodes before the first live show began at 19:30 and 19:45 so Score's suggestion is a definite possibility.

Charnham

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Since Corrie is filmed in Manchester and 'Enders set in London, is that not obvious? ”

oh yeah,didnt think of it like that.

Dancc

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by KennyT:
“Not necessarily, since, apparently, no MU fans actually live in Manchester!!!

K”

LOL. Good point!

jamesisace

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by dave01:
“That's a really decent rating for Waterloo Road. The first time its hit the 5million mark since 18 episodes ago in Nov 2009 and last night was its highest share since March 2008. The Beeb have been given a second chance with this show, let's hope they don't go and blow it with erratic scheduling again. Not sure how it will do tonight, a few weeks ago it had 3.75m up against the Thursday Corrie but Waterloo Road was much weaker then.

Seemingly no boost for the new to Channel4 episodes of The Simpsons that started last night then. The continuity announcer did mention new episodes were starting a couple of times but I didn't notice any trailers.”

They've all been on Sky1 anyway, so quite a lot of people will have seen them

dan2008

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“You mean you don't support one or the other?

It's the Ratings Thread equivalent of Man Utd v Chelsea. ”

In that Case it's Chelsea all the way

dan2008

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Regarding Corrie, ITV have commissioned a 'special' 2-part documentary later this year showcasing the show's 50 best ever moments.

TXF's scheduling last year before the live shows wasn't too consistent. Two of the Sunday episodes before the first live show began at 19:30 and 19:45 so Score's suggestion is a definite possibility.”

They are actually going to find 50 'Best Ever' moments

I bet the producers are racking their brains aswe speak

KennyT

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by dan2008:
“They are actually going to find 50 'Best Ever' moments
I bet the producers are racking their brains aswe speak”

Don't worry. If it's a ratings success, there'll be a "51 Best Ever" moments next year...

K

GeorgeS

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by dan2008:
“They are actually going to find 50 'Best Ever' moments
I bet the producers are racking their brains aswe speak”

Thats a very childish comment. I'm no soap fan but CS in the 60's & 70's was truely iconic.

dan2008

02-09-2010

Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Thats a very childish comment. I'm no soap fan but CS in the 60's & 70's was truely iconic.”

Who said i was being serious?
Of course it's iconic to you

ITS ON ITV1

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