Are you suggesting the rest of us are not normal?
Thing is, this is basically a Doctor Who forum. You are pretty much guaranteed to find yourself in the company of Doctor Who fans on it. And Doctor who fandom, like any fandom, tends to have its own little quirks. Why should people laboriously spell out what 90% of those they're speaking to would recognise in 'shorthand' just for the sake of a handful who might have to think about it for a minute?

*thinks off top of his head

to make the place more welcoming to new viewers,or even the casual perhaps

if any one of these types of people came in,asked the same question,and got that answer that the poster gave they would think us the rude ones and hot tail it out of here fast as they came in

people need to be mindful that not everybody has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the subject and will need the odd thing explaining from time to time

'Rose' was such an amazing kick up the arse for British TV, I was like 'wow, this is actually on the BBC? Brilliant!' Yeah there's some crazy slapstick with the wheelie bin and dummy arm but you've got to love how fun it is. Chris and Billie owned their roles from word go, Chris becoming the Doctor from his first line. There was no way in heck I wasn't coming back for episode 2.

id agree with that sentiment totally

We wouldn't want that now would we, their opinions may differ from what is expected of them

This forum can be accessed by anyone, its not an exclusive members club where you have to pass a certain level of knowledge to participate.

And to those mumbling under their breath "Wish it was..", why don't you go join one/create one instead of making this place something it isn't

Some random thoughts about The End of the World.

I know i've said earlier in the thread about how the series started so slowly but I watched this episode today and thought it was just fantastic.

I thought the Bad Wolf references started in the Unquiet Dead but I noticed a passing reference in conversation middway by the Moxx of Bulrhoon(close enough)

One of my favourite things about this episode is you get to explore more about The Doctor and his circumstances and the reason he travels. Also the way his new friendship with Rose is captured in "Rose's Theme" at the end. If you ask me, this moment is when the fun really begins.

Do 90% of regular posters automatically understand the acronyms? I only tend to if the context makes it clear. And I don't want to have to mentally run through every episode to get the right one.

It sometimes takes me a moment of thought to work out which episode is being referred to. Especially now series 5 gave us both TBB and TBB.

I thought that was done in An Unearthly Child and The War Games...
No, that was still 1963...

The End Of The World has never been one of my favourite stories of the 1st Series. I can't put a finger on it, but these stuck on some space station type thing whilst under threat by an outside force never seem to work in New Who. I didn't like The Impossible Planet/Satan's Pit or 42 for similar reasons.

And I have mentioned previously that I have problems with second episodes some reason. They always turn out to be my least favourite of the Series!!!

However, I do like the character of Cassandra hugely and it certainly was an effective contrast from th previous episode.

As do many others above, I think 'Rose' (or should that be 'R'? ) was a really effective way of bringing the show back.

For those who already knew and loved Doctor Who, it set out clearly the ways in which the show would stay the same as its earlier incarnations; and perhaps, more importantly, how it would differ.

Most importantly for me, though, it introduced the show to a whole new generation of young people, many of whom were probably plonked down on the sofa by their parents to watch it; and who were probably pretty doubtful about the whole affair. In my opinion, thanks to the episode's energy, humour, and some terrifically engaging performances, it succeeded in drawing a lot of them back the following Saturday, and the one after that, and the one after that...

nyingy

Tingran, I'm getting the feeling that the fact I haven't seen much of Doctor Who pre -TV Movie 96 is being held against me somewhat.

No use talking to me about classic who very much because I don't know enough about it.

You don't know what you're missing!!!

I suggest you watch a few, it'll make you appreciate New Who a whole lot more!!!!

I love the Satan Pit 2-parter and 42, though I know it's not a general favourite. However, I'm with you on TEotW. For some reason, I took against CE's Doctor in that episode - he just seemed so sulky at times.


Watch what you like - you're not a 2nd class fan because you haven't seen much Classic Who. Maybe someday you will - it's up to you, not obligatory.


The second part of that was a bit ambiguous

As you know, I'm no great fan of CE, he had his moments but not a good Doctor for me. Does that mean on 42 and Satan's Pit etc, we're not agreeing?

And do you mean about the ambiguous thing????

Nothing personal. I am simply fighting a lonely battle against those who perpetrate the slanderous falsehood that Doctor Who started in 2005, that's all. It needs to be continually acknowledged that it didn't, and that Rose was not the first story-it was only the 158th!
You don't know what you're missing, by the way...

It should be. In fact, not doing so should incur a heavy fine and a lengthy prison sentence (with no TV privileges except the complete classic Who collection on video).

To be fair though, Tony, and not disagreeing with your post, but to go back and watch Classic Who when brought up on new effects etc, it must seem offputting for some to go back and watch those stories of a slower pace and wobbly sets etc.

The likes of me and you were brought up on it, we don't mind but for newer viewers,and not all of them by any means, may not like the idea of watching the old stuff. Never stopped me watching 60's repeats during the 80's though, found them quite intriguing!!!

Sorry I might be getting this wrong, but weren't you one of the people who complained abou the overuse of abbreviations in one of the other threads (where someone asked if we could stop using abbreviations)?

I think generally there is no perfect Doctor Who fan, and it is common curtesy to welcome everyone on here. This is not an exclusive men's club in the middle of London, where only the upper classes are allowed in. By its very nature, DS attracts people who like to watch TV and some more casual Doctor Who fans will therefore join in the discussion.


Agree 100%!

On topic, I loved Rose, and I still love the first series. It was nice to see one of my favourite TV programmes of all time back on TV.

I know - weird isn't it? - I've got used to just reading your posts and thinking, "how wise davey is, he's right about every thing"

I mean it could sound as if you meant that Classic Who was so bad, you'll appreciate how good new Who is even more.
(I know you didn't mean that).

[quote=tingramretro;43829050]It should be. In fact, not doing so should incur a heavy fine and a lengthy prison sentence (with no TV privileges except the complete classic Who collection on video).[/QUOTE]

Is that a punishment, though? Surely no DW at all would be better? Send them mad with DW deprivation. Then when they have learnt the error of their ways they can watch the Classics and be properly grateful.

'Don't mind'? See, that implies there's something to mind! I don't see anything that classic Who needs to apologize for and I defy anyone to find a genuine example of a wobbly set! That's a myth perpetrated by lazy journalists, as Barry Letts himself stated. I can't see how anyone with a genuine appreciation of Doctor Who could be put off by anything in the classic series. Just don't understand that at all.

Prison is meant to be as much about rehabilitation as it is punishment...

One of the problems, for me anyway, is getting hold of the classic series to watch. Although I know they are available in boxsets, unfortunately rent takes precedence, and the repeats are few and far between (I think it was Gold who were repeating some from the Tom Baker era last year, which I enjoyed). I have enjoyed those that I've managed to find repeated, including ones that were repeated when I was little, and would continue to watch them if I can find them.

Ive often thought the Beeb are missing a trick by not showing them on either BBC 2 or BBC 4 even

Challenge accepted.

"The Power of Kroll", part 4 @ 6 minutes and 57 seconds.

The Doctor's in the rocket silo and the ladder he's on's wobbling and the control panel he's fiddling with is swinging about, too.

So, where's my prize?