If my better half wasn't safely tucked up in bed upstairs, I'd swear he'd registered and was posting on DS.

Lovin' your work.

It wasn't the way it was for BB1 and BB2.

I'm pleased to hear that you'd be civil to Vanessa if you were to have contact with her. I'm struggling to see what the big difference is between talking to her via this board and greeting her as she leaves the house. Is this because you wouldn't have the anonymity of a braying mob to hide in?

Like I've already said, I'm all for the housemates facing the press and having to justify their actions. But I also think they should be shown a little civility by the people who have been entertained by their participation in the show. At the risk of labouring the point, you said you'd thank her before expressing your criticisms. Why shouldn't the public do the same?

To say that I shouldn't speak out against something because I'm not realistically going to change anything is missing the point. I know that the booing is probably here to stay. I'm arguing that the booing is disrespectful to the people who have been brave enough to provide us with entertainment, and that BB is a worse programme because of it.


Indeed it is. And I don't think the producers of the show are entirely blameless when it comes to this issue either...

Man o' man ... gotta BOOST the BOO-ing ... now we've watched the truly PATHETIC gripings and gurnings of the poor little HMs ... ooh! the Pipe was SO-OOO angry he kicked a chair ... Shell beat her tiny fists ... Dad was peeved, no other word for it ... and as for Fat Jay, boy!, he's just a freakin' time-bomb!! ... WHAT A LAUGH! ... gotta BOO these mugs for all we're worth ... gotta hiss ... howls of execration ...

EXECRATION ...

Why shouldn't they boo? If they can cheer when they like someone, why can't they boo someone they don't? If they cheered *everyone* regardless of how they felt about them it would be meaningless. Obviously complete silence would be the most effective for the unpopular but that's not gonna happen. You reap what you sow. Vanessa was self regarding, self-important, and egotistical; she got what was coming. I see nothing wrong with the booing, it's just the inevitable flip-side of cheering.

For the record, I could never understand why Adele was so loathed at all, especially when Jade got off so easy in the end. After Alex, she was my fave.

However, I HATED Vanessa and think she deserved every bit of what she got. Surely even her supporters must acknowledge how unattractive it was that she found it _unthinkable_ that she had been nominated by her fellow HMs who live with her, instead blaming Michelle who had nothing to do with it? Marco was spot on about her: she has a very high opinion of herself. Hopefully Friday's reaction might make her rethink that. Doubt it though; she'll probably just reassure herself that she's 'above' the mob who are just jealous of her anyway coz she's blonde and from South Africa where people don't do bad things like that.

It's just the way crowds behave. And in situations like this why shouldn't they have some fun at the expense of a fame hungry media wannabee who has elected to place herself in the public eye having been fully warned of all the consequences....good and bad.

Anyway, we are going round in circles .....
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i think by now any potential hm knows that if the public perceive you as being stuck up your own a*se you will be brought back to earth on eviction night..i think a lot of boos were directed at her because she did come across as thinking she was far superior than others in the house.i think it effected other hms in differing ways..victors threat of spitting at the public who booed him is only going to encourage booing when he does get out..him and jason are scared and trying to cover it up with the macho crap,shell i think genuinly felt upset for vanessa and i think the others just got a wake up call that their actions in the house may lead to them being booed to..nadia didnt seem to give a damn one way or another

They are exactly like the crowds that thronged the guillotine steps during the French Revolution or stood ten deep to watch the doings at Tytheburn.

Booing? Baying for blood seems more what they have in mind and don't Endemol and Davina just LOVE it to bits? They rehearse it for heavens sake.

Eddy surely we have to argue against the things in life that are wrong.You are right that in expressing our opinions we are not going to stop the majority of those who are booing from continuing to do so, but we may persuade a few. I suppose that this is the main worry that this is merely the beginning of a slippery slide, already people talk of throwing things or of gobbing at each other, at some point will there be violence?Your right this is just a game show but a lot of that booing is backed up with real venom and it seems to me that more often than not its the female housemates that get it for no real reason.They are real people and no matter what they signed up for they appear very vunerable in that situation Should we be encouraging that mob mentality?

What do the house mates think they have done to deserve cheers?
I can't think of anything happening in the house that would deserve to be cheered. Perhaps just a polite applause for someone who hadn't been particularly nasty would be appropriate! I'm sure that would go down well!

whether house mates put themselves knowingly in judgement of the public or not, it doesn't take away from the fact that to boo someone displays the lowest common denominator. call me old fashioned but it's rude, insensitive and pretty shitty behaviour and should be kept to panto where people's feelings arn't in the way.

yes yes you can protest they deserve it, they asked for it and all that self justifying bullcrap, but it doesn't take away from the fact it's shitty behaviour.

Personally I think Vanessa was SO unpleasant, even in her Davina interview, that I have no sympathy

Exactly.

A dozen misfits choose to parade their talentless selves on TV in the hope of milking a quick buck and thereby circumnavigating the laboured process of actually EARNING A LIVING ... and then they have the balls to expect us to APPLAUD them for it ... for what?! ... for meglomania & boundless egotism ... oh, well done, jolly good show! ... you're an arse ... BRAVO! ... ENCORE!

Talking of football, fans pay good money to watch matches, and are within their rights to either cheer or boo players. Similarly, people pay good money to be able to watch Big Brother on E4, so are also within their rights to either cheer or boo the housemates. Both are public entertainment, I don't see the difference.

baying for blood???? cmon thats just a little over the top dont ya think?? people wanna boo for several reasons i dont think anyone wants blood,they boo like when you boo at a pantomime villain..i think some are just taking pc a tad to far

As I keep saying (and you keep overlooking), it's not the way crowds behaved in BB1 and BB2...

I disagree that every single housemate is a 'fame hungry media wannabee', although I do think that there is a higher proportion of those type of people wanting to enter these days. But even if someone has ambitions to be a TV presenter/singer/whatever, and they believe that Big Brother is the best way to achieve that aim, why does that make them such a bad person anyway?


Indeed we are.


So why do you watch them? If these people really are so despicable to you then why waste your time? Seriously.

do you really believe that if nick from bb1 walked through the front door to a huge crowd he wouldnt get booed??

'Cos I seriously have a masochistic element in me, which extends well beyond watching TV programmes.

I take very great and perverse enjoyment from watching these muppets ... I defy anyone to steal my BB away from me ...

PS. Mr Al ... do you do anything which doesn't bring you pure, unalloyed, good and righteous joy? ... uh-huh ... sadomasochism in everyday life ... it's all around us ... in every act and omission ... embrace Thanatos ...

All of this says more about you than it does about "these muppets" you waste your time watching.


I'd answer this if I could understand what you mean.

But Nick wasn't evicted. He was disqualified.

Actually, I remember Mel getting a few boos when she left the house. Completely unjustified.

Mel was booed massively in BB1. Wasn't Penny booed from BB2? How about Narinder?

Yeah. Newsflash. I'm a pervert.


So are you ... read your Freud.

I don't think Penny or Narinder were booed. Stuart definitely was - but that's the only instance I can remember.

I've just done a bit of Googling:

Thanatos -- "The 'death instinct' identified by Sigmund FREUD, which signals a desire to give up the struggle of life and return to quiescence and the grave"

Sorry, still can't see the relevance.

My recollection is that Mel was never booed "massively". Certainly she had way more cheers of appreciation than boos. I don't remember Narinder getting booed (and she even had the utterly vile character trait of having an ambition to be on TV...).