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Why so concerned over the booing?
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Pushka
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by daysleeper:
“I have already responded in that thread, pointing out that in a pantomime, you are booing a character, you are not booing the actor. On BB you are booing the person themselves.”

You might be booing the actor, it all depends whether they were rubbish or not.
Sportsmen get booed all the time if their performance isn't up to it.

This is the point of reality TV though, isn't it? These people are asking us to accept their "reality" as performance, and they are getting paid for that performance. In addition, the one who puts across their reality in the most attractive way wins a prize.

If you don't accept that they are performers, you have to accept the unwelcome realisation that you are little better than a Peeping Tom.
NightSwimmer
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by Pushka:
“You might be booing the actor, it all depends whether they were rubbish or not.
Sportsmen get booed all the time if their performance isn't up to it.”

It's one thing to be booed for not doing a good enough job (although personally, I still don't think that's right either), it's another, to be booed because you have been judged by some to not be a good enough person.

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“These people are asking us to accept their "reality" as performance, and they are getting paid for that performance.”

None of the housemates are paid.

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“If you don't accept that they are performers, you have to accept the unwelcome realisation that you are little better than a Peeping Tom.”

You say that like it's a bad thing!

Seriously, you're right and I have no problem accepting that. The voyeuristic aspect is one of the reason's the show is so popular. However, there is a big difference between watching BB and being a Peeping Tom; unlike a Peeping Tom, we have the permission of the housemates to watch them.
brunobrookes
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by daysleeper:
“None of the housemates are paid. ”

They are paid an allowance of sorts that gives them a "wage" whilst they are in the house, to cover e.g. home expenses incured during their absence.

And of course, every single one of them is paid by various other media outlets to spout worthless, two-bit opinions or to partake in ugly photo shoots. Paid with what is ultimately our money.

I provide worthless, two-bit opinions too but at least I'm not being paid. Plus you can ignore me with two clicks.
NightSwimmer
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by brunobrookes:
“They are paid an allowance of sorts that gives them a "wage" whilst they are in the house, to cover e.g. home expenses incured during their absence.”

It's compensation, not a wage. If this year is the same as previous BBs, it will be the financial equivalent of doing Jury duty and work exactly the same way, i.e. you are not paid to do jury service, but you are compensated for loss of earnings. It is certainly not them being paid to perform.

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“And of course, every single one of them is paid by various other media outlets to spout worthless, two-bit opinions or to partake in ugly photo shoots.”

But again, that is not the same as being paid to perform in the house.

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“Paid with what is ultimately our money.”

Don't buy those papers!

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“I provide worthless, two-bit opinions too but at least I'm not being paid. Plus you can ignore me with two clicks.”

You can ignore the housemates with one click, or the turn of a page.

And btw, your opinions are not worthless.
Mister Al
28-06-2004
Excellent points from Daysleeper throughout this whole discussion.

Originally Posted by SoftCell:
“name 1 person from bb that has had any harm done to them from booing other than deflating their ego..if you name 1 and back it up i would seriously consider rethinking my arguement.”

This argument reminds me of the people who litter the streets, and then remark that "it's okay because it'll get cleared up anyway". Just because there is some kind of support network there doesn't really excuse antisocial behaviour.

It seems that Softcell wants everybody to have the right to express their emotions, no matter how badly it may affect other people. Presumably then, Softcell has no problem at all with Vanessa fighting Nadia. After all, she was only expressing her emotions towards her at that time...
Gothika
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by Mister Al:
“Excellent points from Daysleeper throughout this whole discussion.


This argument reminds me of the people who litter the streets, and then remark that "it's okay because it'll get cleared up anyway". Just because there is some kind of support network there doesn't really excuse antisocial behaviour.

It seems that Softcell wants everybody to have the right to express their emotions, no matter how badly it may affect other people. Presumably then, Softcell has no problem at all with Vanessa fighting Nadia. After all, she was only expressing her emotions towards her at that time...”

blagh sorry but that doesnt even warrant a reply..very weak response to a valid question,anyhow i think this topic has been done to death now
Friendly Face
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by talbothays:
“To even audition to be a HM on BB, you would need to crave fame or recognition in some way. Every HM being evicted, who thinks they've played the game well (as Vanessa clearly thought she had) is going to be horrified by this setback in their perception of a 'career' to come. Being inside, listening to the crowd baying for the blood of a fellow housemate must be chilling for their fellow fame-seekers!

I'm really interested to see how the crowd react to Ahmed, and how he reacts to them. He's perhaps the hardest to get to the bottom of, and bizarrely for a chap who does nothing and says little, is the most interesting housemate for a good few series.”

Exactly right. You and me may not care about being booed by people on eviction night but that's because we'd never dream of entering.

Ahmed seems to be different to the others. Despite performing the usual bullshit at auditions to fool the idiots who choose the HMs he retreated into his shell and the comfort that "persecution" and "racism" can excuse all his inadequacies. He's an unhappy and inadequate person and will return to his struggle to raise himself to mediocrity.
Friendly Face
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by Mister Al:
“Excellent points from Daysleeper throughout this whole discussion.


This argument reminds me of the people who litter the streets, and then remark that "it's okay because it'll get cleared up anyway". Just because there is some kind of support network there doesn't really excuse antisocial behaviour.

It seems that Softcell wants everybody to have the right to express their emotions, no matter how badly it may affect other people. Presumably then, Softcell has no problem at all with Vanessa fighting Nadia. After all, she was only expressing her emotions towards her at that time...”

Softcell only said booing doesnt do people any harm. You made the rest up.
Gothika
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by Friendly Face:
“Softcell only said booing doesnt do people any harm. You made the rest up.”

thank you for pointing that out
Mister Al
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by Friendly Face:
“Softcell only said booing doesnt do people any harm. You made the rest up.”

I know Softcell didn't advocate violence. But it's the same argument really. Why is psychological abuse okay in the name of 'not suppressing emotions', but physical abuse not okay? That was my point. I agree that I could have put it better.
xynaria
28-06-2004
Just curious.. what do the anti booing brigade exactly see a 'viable' form of showing disapproval?
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