Good Morning all
I have something to say, sorry to post this in the mist of all the OK!Mag Exclusive fuss, but I wanna say this since I have just catched up and read that last night here was a little bit of discussion going on about their fights in the house and what they had called each other and what not. Feel free to skip my post, if you guys are tired of going over an old thing again
Okey, so I didn't have LF during their first argument "smelly breath-smelly feet"..... But I seriosly doubt that John has ever called Josie fat, if I'm wrong well then I'm wrong,
but I've never heard him say it like that. What he did say during their first argument was "you're talking out of you fat arse" and yes, while it is in my opinion much worse than smelly breath, I don't think John was in any way trying to be mean and meaning it as a bad thing. I think he would of, during that bickering, said that no matter what size Josie was. So in my way it wasn't to mean that Josie is fat. He was just trying to keep up with the whole throwing insults and didn't think about what he said could hurt Josie's feelings anymore than what Josie thought that her words would hurt John's feelings. Yes, John said during that fight that could Josie at least wait till his headache is gone, but he was laughing through the whole bickering so how was Josie was to know that John was really upset. He sure didn't sound like he was. He was throwing insults back as bad as she was. And in all honesty his was worse. After the whole "at the end of the day I can cut my hair, but you can't do anything about that face" he was lying in his bed like a peacock really satisfied that he had gotten the last word and laughed and said "that shut you up". So I really really really to this day can't understand WHY he then fell apart and claimed that Josie had kept going on and on and on....... Cause it sure as hell didn't look like he was upset at the time. It's almost like something was left out from the HL Show after Josie walked out of the room, cause then he just seemed to snap and raved to Ben how upset he was. OVER WHAT??!!

Was it because Josie said before he left the room "i'm not Rachel I would just cut you of my life and never speak to you again" And still John stood there laughing and they were shouting over each other.... So John, what really did made you snap then? Was it the fact that you realized that something you said was really out of order... Or did something really happened after that that wasn't shown on the HL's? Cause then John sat at the sofas and started questioning Josie over why she had kept going and going and going...... ?
And then he was in the DR saying that he never said anything back at her......... Erm, okey the John
Now, I'm not saying Josie was right or wrong or whatever, but this was what they did, so how was Josie supposed to know that John was upset cause he kept laughing and throwing little snappy remarks back, this was what they did all the time, so why was this time any different. And John has always said that because Josie was laughing to Sam, he didn't realize that Sam's remarks upset her so much. And by that time John must have known Josie better than what Josie did know John during the first fight. So where's the difference? If you laugh back how was Josie to know....
I seriously think that he was so attached to Josie already at that time, that the real reason he got so upset was the fear that Josie would really cut him out of his life now. Cause he then wanted to leave. So he really was not
that upset because of what Josie had said about feet and breath and teeth and hair. He just used that as an excuse cause he was not ready to admit that Josie meant that much to him so early on and he was just so upset that she would not be his friend anymore.
I don't think John was trying to hurt Josie on purpose with the whole fat arse thing, but I do agree with people here who say that sometimes John's remark were lot worse than Josie's.
And then there was the whole crabgate. Once again... John's words much hurtful. If he truly was insulted and doesn't like people taking piss out of someones appereance, then why the hell would he call Josie 98 chins. He must of known that would hurt just as bad. So even if he said in his mind it in a jokeyway, it still hurts someone like Josie. During that fight it was hard to watch Josie cause she was SO ANGRY and when insult are called out while being angry they do have 100 times worse effect to the one that listens. I thought some of the things that Josie said were horrible, eventhough they were not remarks on his appereance... So of course then when John goes to the DR to cry, you feel bad. I did too, it was horrible to watch....
But anyway, sorry to be rambling and being a reminder of bad times but this is just something that popped to my mind again this morning when reading what you all was discussing here last night.
It's all good now. They found love and I could not be more happier for them.
FLUFFY FLUFFY FLUFFY!!!!