Agreed.

Didn't realise it was on, because it was on BBC3. Mustn't forget the extended version Friday 7pm.

Bit of a contradiction there, Ting. Anyone who doesn't appreciate classical music is just ignorant

and anyone who calls people life choices ignorant,comes across equally as ignorant

we are all different,i like classical music,i also like Rock,Prog,Soul amongst other genres and ive even got a soft spot for 80s cheesy music,but i would never dream of calling someone ignorant because they didn't like the same music as me

Notice the smilies. I was simply being cheeky

Anyway, I tend not to like modern music, so perhaps I am just as ignorant as Ting?

Notice mine,so was i

no that just means that most modern music tends to be indentikit pop made by Mr Cowell or bleepy dance music that sounds like a ZX Spectrum loading up a game

I'm not sure I'd classify Murray Gold's meandering rubbish as 'classical', regardless. But to me, if it doesn't have lyrics I don't see the point., most of the time.


Yes, that describes pretty much any 'music' written (and I use that term loosely) after about 1988, I think.

There's still good music out there, you just have to look a bit harder for it since Stock, Aitkin and Waterman tried to kill it.
Like art, I suppose it's subjective. It all depends on my mood for me. Right now I'm listening to Mumford and Sons and I think they're brilliant.
The proms was a good show last night but it wasn't just about the music. I wouldn't buy the soundtrack, put it that way.

Stock Aitken and Waterman started it,Simon Cowell(Pete Watermans protege) finished the job

Totally agree. They're saturating us with generic dross. That's why I feel that shows such as the proms are really important. It's not my cup of tea usually but at least it's not some autotuned karaoke version from a nobody with delusions of grandeur giving 90% of their earnings to some obnoxious short-arsed megalomaniac.
Cowell would make a good Who monster. It's about time we had another one that was (barely) human.

How about people who type their posts without using capital letters and apostrophes? Are they ignorant? Or just plain too lazy to use the 'Shift' key? If they think that it is somehow stylish or 'cool', well, it isn't.

Those of you outside the UK can see the special Proms scene with Matt Smith here:

http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2010/...ved-proms.html

I love the Proms because I can afford to be pick 'n' choose-y. There's a whole range of 'classical' music out there, so someone is bound to like at least one piece.

Loved the Who prom! I must say, I found Vale Decem a tad overblown when used in the show back at Christmas...but seeing it live here was beautiful, especially coupled with the shots of the brilliant countertenor and those of the audience crying. I can understand why Murray Gold burst into tears during the mixing process! He created a beast!

I normally enjoy reading your posts. However, I think Gareth already mentioned that his post should be taken in a good natured manner. Additionally, one of the rules on the forum is that people should not be taken to task for the way they write or spell. It might be annoying to you, but as long as you can get the meaning of a post, it should be fine.

I hope (against hope obviously) that those sections of the right wing press and our current fool of a coalition Culture Secretary have been watching not just what the BBC did with the DW Proms but the season as a whole - there isn't a TV Network on the face of the planet that would (or in all likelihood could) produce events on this scale...and on the DW Proms specifically, how fantastic once again to see small children gazing on in wonder at Doctor Who whilst being introduced to live music/theatre...utterly brilliant...oh and is Matt Smith just a natural with kids or what? Mad as a box of frogs, obviousloy, but 100% a natural.

Um...there was only one woman that was shown to be crying...and for all we know she could have been crying since the first scene they should with Hartnell's regen....I nearly had a tear in my eye seeing Gallifrey set to Planet of the Spiders....


So not sure if that adds to your point...as there was nothing in there to suggest it was just mere ordinary casual viewer crying to Ten's regeneration.....

What the regeneration scenes and the clapping that went with it shows is that the whole show is imbedded in the hearts of the new, middle and old generation that it wasn't only 7 years ago.....because the generation like mine...had no idea what a wonderful show it was....and what a difference 6 years does....



Well whether you watch the proms or not....that is certainly a step up for someone who has said in the past that the music in the show does nothing...and questioned its point.....


I agree......

Thank you both,at least davrosdodebird saw the post in the light it was written

Or the (non extended) version on BBC HD Sat 11th Sep at 5:25pm

I said it was there to enhance the show, Crazz. I didn't say it always succeeded in doing so. I could quite happily live without most of Murray Gold's intrusive orchestral wanderings.

Then I would hope, in the name of consistency, that you could do without the appallingly intrusive and pretty poorly scored and arranged music that dogged the programme throughout the 70's and 80's (although it does help place a story almost to the month, lol)

The only one I really have a problem with is The Sea Devils...

Blimey...did you miss the 80's altogether? How about the appallingly turgid Dalek themes from the likes of DttD from JP's last series in the 70's? Not good, overly intrusive and adding nothing (aside from covering up the sound of pitter-pattering feet of the operators accidentally caught on mic)

Can't recall the Dalek one offhand, but as far as the eighties went, I don't see the problem, really.

Yep, back with the inane comments again. One of the many enhancements NuWho has made over the classic series is it's music. While I agree it has sometimes been overused and been too loud, Murray Gold (and Ben Foster) have produced some wonderful themes throughout the last half decade. You certainly couldn't have had a Dr Who prom in the classic era!

As for is it classical, well, not per se, though "classical" is as loose a term as "jazz", "rock", etc. Most people think of classical music being orchestral music, and in that way this music very much is.

As for the comment about music not being worth listening to if it doesn't have lyrics, as a musician myself that's a deeply offensive and ignorant statement. It's called MUSIC, music has nothing to do with words, lyrics are just an accompaniment.

Not to me. If the purpose of music is to evoke some sort of emotional reaction, to affect the listener's mood-well, to me, it needs lyrics in order to do that. Without words, it's just noise as far as I'm concerned. Might be pleasant enough noise I suppose, but it isn't something I'd ever really appreciate the way I do the lyrics of some of my favourite bands. And you really are going to have to stop calling everyone whose opinion differs from yours 'ignorant'. It's...well...ignorant and offensive.

I don't. Many people have made many good points contrary to my original stance, and some have even changed my mind and made me realise I was mistaken. You, however, have not.

And your comments above do show an ignorance of music, probably not your fault, just a lack of education, but whatever the case, to describe a;; music that doesn't have lyrics as "just noise" is probably one of the most ill-informed and ignorant statements I've ever read by anybody on this forum, and I actually feel very sorry for you if you believe this. Though of course, I expect it's just your usual throwing of your toys out of the pram for a little attention. You really do need to stop this tediousness though.