i have to ask this question! what does 'gay agenda' mean?
i remember during the RTD era, that phrase got thrown about alot!
i never really paid much attention to this section of the forum, so never really found out what it was about! i have to say, i havent got a clue
i am more than intrigued, so my intrigue has led me to starting this thread!
sorry if this has already been covered, i know the RTD era feels like a hundred years ago now!

It's a question which usually leads to threads being locked.

Gay agenda???? what Gay agenda???? all i know that there is a Scottish agenda which I am sooooooooooo not happy about!!!!!






....I mean

So many agendas - so little time.

Ok, I'll get you banned. If you ever mention the S-agenda again, I will inform the moderators.

SM has a lot to answer for **shakes fist**

Basically , in my opinion , it refers to gay references in the series that many people feel are unnecessary in a show like Dr Who.

RTD has had plenty of other series to promote his ideas and unless the Doctor is looking to start rimming his enemies do we need to know the sexuality of anyone in the series?

I completly agree with you., and while we are at it SM should stop promoting all Scottish references in Who. He has plenty of other shows to promote the idea that Scottishness is something that is normal. Do it in Sherlock (Watson a perfectly good Scottish name), in Doctor Who it just leads to confusion.

Didn't we do a thread like this before about agendas? I seem to recall there was a bit of an agenda agenda going on.....

I don't know what you're talking about in the second paragraph.

Also, how "many" is "many people" in your first paragraph?

Look we all know that Moff and RTD were in this together - I mean look at the character of Captain Jack and the actor who plays him. After all RTD created him and Moff wrote his lines and JB is both gay and Scottish. Proof I feel that rather than being complete ememies who hate each other's work, never speak and have nothing in common in their writing styles or love for DW, that they may even occasionally think along the same lines.

Now says this and runs off to bed where I can gaze adoringly at my JB calendar.

Pah...get me banned...see if I care!!!!



one is one too many for some....in fact a word like "she" is too much!!!!


lol

And yet curiously, Moffat's first season was mercifully free of the kind of gratuitous, shoehorned in references that typified RTDs era. In fact, I can't think of a single one. So the real answer to the OP's question is: the gay agenda is now irrelevant, as the current showrunner is more interested in just telling good stories than in tilting at windmills.

You're really going for it tonight, aren't you?

Hmm well perhaps he decided to keep them for Sherlock!!! But please Tony we know how you feel about this one and perhaps we're being unfair to the OP. And now I really must go before I get embroiled as I tend to do.

This isn't the first supposedly innocent "What's a Gay Agenda" thread Jaymitch1 has started. I think the last one was in March or thereabouts. That got locked.

Sad.

Ah I did wonder

Jaymitch1 even made a guest appearance in the Scottish Agenda thread... mentioning the "gay agenda". It must be endlessly fascinating for some people.

You have a better memory than me. Why are some people so obsessed with this. It's part of normal life, live with it people. We are not in Victorian Britain anymore. Men love men, and women love women, it's not weird, it's normal!

lol!

no i didnt

Its a phrase used by people who do not think that programmes should feature gay people in family shows or any shows for that matter.

Its mostly attributed to Russell T Davies since he has been very vocal with his previous shows on pushing sexuality into mainstream tv. (See Queer as Folk, Bob & Rose)

Twenty years ago having a show featuring gay or lesbian people would have been shoved to Channel 4 which was then considered a "minority" channel 4. Or left to outrage those of religious background in Soap Operas (Dot Cotton outrage at discovering Colin and Barry had a only a double Duvet in Eastenders 1980s)

However having a gay son in "My Family" is considered a current style of plotline, or it being tackled in Eastenders or Corrie these days is considered to be dealing with "real issues".

Its a matter of discussion with people as to how "gay" the original Doctor Who was. A man travelling around showing off the world to the ladies he was not sleeping with is rather open to sexuality questions (i think). Much in the same way that

The Bisexual Capt Jack is evidence used often to support this claim of "Gay agenda"

However making this posting current...

Steven Moffatt often includes gay characters and jokes about sexuality including Capt, Jack since his episodes introduced the character. (Not Subtle?)

The master has a wife instead of a beard - Time Crash - A beard is an old fashioned word refering to a man who hides behind a wife to hide his sexuality. (Too Subtle?)


The Doctor refering to Winston Churchill as "Dear" (Simple but True.)

Also In the Big Bang the relationship between Amelia's Aunt and the lady who may or may not be a social worker is very blurred. I presumed she was the Aunt's Girlfriend. (Did that just woosh over some heads?) However She is in the house late at night, she speaks to Amelia like she knows her very well. Maybe All short haired 90s ladies have short haired lady friends...

There are others but its 23:30 and I can't even think straight at this time of night.

Sexuality is featured in a different way in The Moff's Vision of Doctor Who. Blatent for those who understand it, And protecting those who don't.

ahem.....not only did we have the occasional gay refereences....but the inuendo squad was on a high...and not always relevent to the stories...at least if some was referenced as being gay in RTD stories, it wasn't a joke...it just happend that someone was gay just liek someone would be hetrosexual.....don't see how that is gratutious and shoe horned.....


Get a girlfriend Jeff
Turn your back if your embarrased
Yours is bigger than mine...lets not go there
All of my parts are frozen....
Or a boyfriend
That is what I am trying to tell you Doctor (Amy while in bed)
Liz first jokes...twice
Think of the Children
Ohh Doctor you sonicked her
lets destroy our freindship completely
River talking about the auton with changable heads



Not also adding to the fact that it was always Moff's stories that were full of sexual innuendos in the RTD era.....on both side of the spectrum...heck even goibng as far as suggesting that the Master might be gay...and also The Empty Child and Doctor dances are as what calls a statement on sexual politics....so sorry Tony but your assertion here is a bit rediculous.....

You didn't start it? My mistake. You're awfully interested in it, though.

yes i am interested! im not going to lie. like i said, i rarely visit the doctor who forum, but i have been wondering for a while what it meant, i was only expecting a couple of replies to clear it up, obviously its hit a raw nerve with alot of people

Oh noez! The Doc calls Jeff 'good-looking' in a slightly camp voice in 'The Eleventh Hour'! Craig asks The Doc if he has a boyfriend in 'The Lodger'!

The series is tainted! Quick, set fire to it Ting.

I don't see how references to homosexuality is any more 'typifying' as Moffat's references to heterosexuality of the slightly more smutty kind in S5! Amelia/Amy the Kissogram, "that" bedroom scene, River Song's flirting, a good little mention of Doctor bonking Queen Bess (twice, its obviously a bold suggestion of RTD's that Moffat liked), Craig and Sophie deciding to 'ruin their friendship completely', and much more.

Not that there wasn't plenty of heterosexual references in RTD's era, too. I guess you just have an agenda of your own

I really hope Captain Jack makes a reappearance now.

EDIT: Just read crazzyaz7's post. Beat me to it!