You mean apart from the gratuitous reference to whatever Jeff was looking at on his laptop.

No, see that was what's known as a 'joke'.

Problem is that if RTD had wriiten it exactly like that....it would have still been considerd by yourself and others who go on about the none-existant gay agenda...that it was a "gratuitous, shoehorned in reference"

Why pick and choose? In the Doctor Dances, Jack slaps the bum of a fellow soldier...in Parting of ways Jack kisses the Doctor goodbye in the same way he kisses Rose goodbye...no more no less...yet no one moans about the bum slap (an obvious homosexaul overtone)...but people have a problem with the kiss....which in some cultures is practicularly normal....heck i was watching "this is England" yesterday...and on their a bunch of straight skin head blokes did the same....not saying goodbye...but when happily meeting each other...

I have never heard that expression before.

I'd say that the Queen Bess joke in EOT was more subtle than it was in both the Beast Below and Amy's Choice....as al the Doctor sais was Queen Bess, someone that not all people will be aware is Liz 1st.....and not all will know what the Doctor means by nickname.....but Moff made sure we fully understood who it was, and what it meant!!!!

I would use the same description for your opinion of RTD's work - except the Jeff one was actually funny.

It's a reference to the story of Don Quixote. He jousted with a windmill because he was under the delusion that it was a dragon. Nik Kershaw wrote a song about it in the eighties.


If there was anyone out there whose knowledge of basic history doesn't extend to good Queen Bess being the virgin queen, I'd say their education was sadly lacking.

Exactly! RTD made it subtle, Moffat went on and confirmed it! Whoever was perturbed by the insinuation that The Doc has a wedding tackle and still uses it would probably have ran outside and bellowed "DEAR POINTS OF VIEW!!!!".

If there was anyone out there whose knowledge of life in general doesn't extend to the existence of gay people (and that its fine), I'd say their education was sadly lacking...and indeed their morality.

Isn't "Gay Agenda" the name of Peter Mandleson's luxury power boat ?

Jack is not homosexual. He is more of an "anything with a pulse" kind of guy so more of a "promiscuity agenda" there.

No one has actually done the courtesy of answering the question posed by the OP - instead, as usual, the majority have taken it upon themselves to exercise their overweaning egos in the same old dull, boring, tired and, in some cases, woefully misguided mantras...the sad thing is, some believe themselves to be humorous in so doing...

...the so-called "gay agenda" was perceived to be the inclusion of gay references which were assumed to be some kind of attempt by RTD to pervert the youth of today and leading them into a life of buggery...

...what a pile of crap, I hear you cry...

...yes, that's pretty much what I thought about the whole notion: oddly, most of the parents who objected had no problem with their children watching murder, rape, drug abuse and incest on early evening soap operas...

...where this all leaves us is unclear aside from once again realising that some people just cannot get tired of their own voices no matter how many times those voices reiterate the same mundane nonsense.

I don't really see that your personal opinions have any bearing on anyone else's morality.

Encouraging the ridiculous confusion of sexuality and morality belies the intelligence that you undoubtedly have.

Well, I wasn't the one who decided to start doing that.

Homosexuality in series 5: The Lodger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD3ic...eature=related

RTD seems to have about half the human characters either gay or bisexual. But - equally unbelievably - not a single gay alien. Which makes Dr who seem slightly unreal.

Gay agenda?

Well if that is what is needed to correct the imbalance caused by the straight agenda for decades, then so be it. A fair and balanced representation of all minority groups in television shows should be something seen as a positive thing, whether the minority groups are gays, black-people, disabled people, younger/older people, etc.

What some people see as a gay agenda (eeek, a gay person in my favourite show) is still part of a world where most shows are disproportionately straight, much like most shows were disproportionately white a few decades ago.

'Fair and balanced'? No, I think Davies' view of society was decidedly unbalanced, given the numbers he presented. And I don't personally give a toss whether it presented a positive view of minority groups or not-it was tedious, annoying and OTT. And not what I watch Doctor Who for. If I wanted to be preached at by delusional idealists with skewed priorities I'd watch Songs of Praise.

Which part made it slightly unreal? The fact that the aliens were all straight or the fact that they were aliens? But yes, I agree that in RTDs world, Cardiff seems to have a somewhat disproportionately high percentage of residents fitting a certain minority group.

Yes those bloody sheep! Shearing is too good for em.

The agenda refers to a collection of closed minded people who were over-focusing on every gay reference because they weren't ok with the ways of the modern world, where a grown adult is free to do whatever they wants with whoever they want and who wish it was 1963 again, when they weren't.

The whole thing said so much more about the people who were over-sensitive about the "agenda" than anything about the production staff of Doctor Who or even the series itself, to be honest.

I think the only thing RTD has ever said on the topic is that, in the future, people will care less and less what you get up to and who you get up to it with. Not that there'll be more gay people vs straight people, just that attitudes will become more tolerant.

I hope for humanities sake, he's right.

Sometimes you wander round places like here and shake your head in despair, however

I was tongue in cheek, but, yes it's disproportionate.

A strong gay character, that's fine, but include everyone and it gets silly.

Most people were gay in Queer as Folk, but not in Eastenders!

Not sure but I think it might involve appletinis and jazz hands.


tbh it sounds like something a conspiracy nut would come up with, kinda like saturday night conspiracies before they deal with 9/11, diana's assassination and Chain of Evil during their work week.

I think there's special shops where you can buy a Chain of Evil ..........